Botkin 3: Elizabeth Married!

[Mrs Ms]

8 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

Some interesting comments on the @lucastrexarms IG post about being on Tucker Carlson:

He actually said the quiet bit out loud! We know plenty of the fundies (and general population unfortunately) think it, but he really said it out loud! 🤯

[JermajestyDuggar]

2 hours ago, Columbia said:

Lucas talks about his siblings the same way Geoff talks about his children in his YouTube videos. Geoff will regularly mention "my children" en masse if he's talking about homeschooling successfully, or if he's talking about TRex Arms. Sometimes he'll get more specific and talk about his sons in regards to something going on with TRex Arms. He's never specifically mentioned Ben's composing, and he's never referred to his daughters' doings once. He has "sons," and he has "children," and that's it. If you weren't familiar with the family you'd have no idea that he has two daughters.

Lucas mentions the family moving down to New Zealand and Y2K, which is way more hilarious having seen Julian Gregori's Y2K video. He also mentions Geoff's "consulting" work in Washington DC, but he doesn't seem to have any idea what his father was doing there either.

He talks about probably having ADHD and being lazy as a child. In reading between the lines in Victoria's homeschooling lectures it sounds like several of the sons have some degree of ADHD, and they probably got that from their father, judging by Geoff's rambling speeches and stream of half completed projects. Victoria always sounded very proud that she kept them out of the government schools and off of drugs, but how much stress and trouble and trauma might have been saved with some therapy and medication? If Lucas has a son whose ADHD is even more unmanageable than his, what is he going to to? Beat it out of him? (Probably.)

Lucas talks about how all his siblings share his views. Apparently he missed Audri's latest tweet about keeping an MP3 player with Rushdoony lectures away from her sons. He also says that he and his wife are planning on homeschooling their children. At the very least they'll get a stronger science education than Lucas and his siblings did, because theirs seemed to mostly consist of nature walks and looking at bugs under a microscope, according to Victoria's lectures.

Shoshanna Pearl just posted this about her own ADHD (that was likely never actually diagnosed by a professional). I read it thinking, “yet you would never allow a child to go on an adhd medication. Even if he/she was severely struggling.”

Edited March 18 by JermajestyDuggar

[Howl]

I suspect that Lucas has lost some fans and customers over his social media posts, but probably has gained just as many, considering the current political climate. 

It will be interesting to see how Lucas' new wife navigates Botkinville.  She's incredibly well educated and (pre-marriage) professionally successful in her engineering field.   Will she be an asset able to move T Rex Arms forward from a technical/materials standpoint?  Can she set up her own engineering business and work from home? 

She might have serious business acumen as well. I think she and Lucas are doing some large-scale real estate investing (apartment complexes?). 

Geoff might set aside some of his scruples about subordinate roles of women if she brings in the money that allows he and Victoria to cruise right along in old age. 

 

[GuineaPigCourtship]

Watching that video made me cringe so hard I could only make it through about 30 seconds.  Good lord.

[hoipolloi]

On 3/18/2023 at 9:03 AM, Howl said:

She might have serious business acumen as well. I think she and Lucas are doing some large-scale real estate investing (apartment complexes?). 

She is all about making money and has determined that real estate investment is the way to do it.

 

[Howl]

17 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

She is all about making money and has determined that real estate investment is the way to do it.

My concern: These people are already rich and getting richer. 

At some point, they may well be in the multi-millions rich.  That's the point when these Christofascist types decide to get into politics or be political influencers.  

 Since the Botkins are pro-coup, pro-Trump, anyone have any idea if the Botkins are more generally aligned with any particular Christofascist movement or leader or is Geoff too much of a narcissist to align with anyone else?

[JermajestyDuggar]

2 hours ago, Howl said:

My concern: These people are already rich and getting richer. 

At some point, they may well be in the multi-millions rich.  That's the point when these Christofascist types decide to get into politics or be political influencers.  

 Since the Botkins are pro-coup, pro-Trump, anyone have any idea if the Botkins are more generally aligned with any particular Christofascist movement or leader or is Geoff too much of a narcissist to align with anyone else?

Isn’t that how it always seems to work in the US? The rich get richer and the poor stay the same or get even poorer. And the rich get out of trouble like 99% of the time thanks to their money. 

[Columbia]

4 hours ago, Howl said:

My concern: These people are already rich and getting richer. 

At some point, they may well be in the multi-millions rich.  That's the point when these Christofascist types decide to get into politics or be political influencers.  

 Since the Botkins are pro-coup, pro-Trump, anyone have any idea if the Botkins are more generally aligned with any particular Christofascist movement or leader or is Geoff too much of a narcissist to align with anyone else?

I'm still surprised that they didn't jump on the Doug Wilson bandwagon after the Rise and Fall of Vision Forum. 

Geoff might be a narcissist, but he's also incredibly shrewd. I don't think he'd have any trouble hopping onto someone's project as long as it afforded him a position in which he didn't have to take any responsibility for the project failing, and it wouldn't affect him long-term, like VF or his shenanigans in New Zealand. I still wonder if he's involved in some way with Hillsdale College's charter school scheme.

Lucas is a hot head, and I think could easily rise to prominence by virtue of that, but I also think he wouldn't get quite the same authority or respect as his father, also by virtue of that. They're like the difference between Doug Wilson and Mark Driscoll. Both are terrible people, but one has carefully built himself an empire in which he is untouchable, and the other simply thinks he's untouchable.

[MamaJunebug]

I’m just aware of Benji Botkin’s new look - goatee and long, lustrous hair like in The pictures of men in Biblical times.  Apologies if this is old news, it popped up on my Instagram. Mercy me!  

[hoipolloi]

6 hours ago, Howl said:

My concern: These people are already rich and getting richer. 

At some point, they may well be in the multi-millions rich.  That's the point when these Christofascist types decide to get into politics or be political influencers.  

Maybe. Right now, it seems to me that they mostly enjoy spending the money on themselves, which is certainly their prerogative. On IG, Kara posted that they had hired a personal chef, personal trainer, and a business coach. Donʻt recall that those things were part of Geoffʻs 200-year plan.

 

1 hour ago, Columbia said:

Lucas is a hot head, and I think could easily rise to prominence by virtue of that, but I also think he wouldn't get quite the same authority or respect as his father, also by virtue of that.

Heʻs also not very bright. If he rises to any prominence it will be because others see him as a handy political tool -- kind of like Reagan, Bush 43 & Trump, all of whom were fucking stupid but extremely useful to their paymasters. 

[Bluebirdbluebell]

1 hour ago, MamaJunebug said:

I’m just aware of Benji Botkin’s new look - goatee and long, lustrous hair like in The pictures of men in Biblical times.  Apologies if this is old news, it popped up on my Instagram. Mercy me!  

Isn't Ben Botkin the ex-fundie who left the compound?

[JermajestyDuggar]

7 hours ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

Isn't Ben Botkin the ex-fundie who left the compound?

Yes. He and Audri. He seems to be the only Botkin son to make it out. 

[Howl]

9 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

Kara posted that they had hired a personal chef, personal trainer, and a business coach.

Whoa!  Where do they live, do you know?  

As their businesses are getting bigger and more successful, possibly faster than they anticipated,  hiring a business coach is beyond wise. 

Maybe the business coach will strongly advise Lucas to STFU on social media. 

I'd check out Lucas and Kara on Instagram, but the Instagram algorithm would be on that like a duck on a junebug (as my brother would say) and feed me more of the same.  I follow one Instagram food account (OneBalancedLife) and Instagram thinks I want to see a bazillion cooking Instas every damn day. 

 

[Columbia]

12 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

Donʻt recall that those things were part of Geoffʻs 200-year plan.

Actually, believe it or not, they kind of are.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2013/9/7/1234985/-Books-So-Bad-They-re-Good-Back-to-the-Kitchen-Modern-Jezebel

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Concretely, Geoffrey Botkin explains, this means evaluating all materials and media that daughters receive from childhood on as it pertains to their future role. The Botkin sisters received no Barbie dolls—idols that inspire girls to lead selfish lives—but rather a “doll estate” that could help them learn to manage a household of assets, furniture, and servants in the aristocratic vision of Quiverfull life which Botkin paints for the families around the room. The toys the girls played with were “tools for dominion,” such as kitchen utensils and other “tools for their laboratory”: the kitchen.

It's in that lecture I posted previously in the thread.

[hoipolloi]

4 hours ago, Howl said:

Where do they live, do you know?  

Pretty sure theyʻre in TN, within or near the Botkin compound.

It isnʻt clear if the business coach is advising on t-Rex Arms or on her real estate enterprise or both. 

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