Fundies and make-up, hair and jewellery

[Miggy]

It didn't! Most of the girls had 10-20cm at the end of their hair that was really ragged. They all still had hair that went well past their backside.

[AVENues]

It didn't! Most of the girls had 10-20cm at the end of their hair that was really ragged. They all still had hair that went well past their backside.

That's what I thought. When the hair (the keratin* or whatever) burns, it kinda melts and bounds with other burning hairs. How on earth could they comb it? I just can't... :(

[Maul the Koala]

darareaksmey--How and where did you have her repiercing done? I had to let mine close years ago and have been considering repiercing them. I've had conflicting advice about it.

Go to a qualified piercer. Not a mall outlet like Claire's. An outstanding piercer will be able to determine where the scar tissue is, determine where to pierce and offer help if the piercing goes wonky. A mall piercer with a gun doesn't necessarily have that level of expertise.

[Florenz]

I will never understand Fundy-logic.

The whole "we are so modest"-thing. But at the same time they are running around with open, wavy hair and make up on their faces. :roll:

[OnceModestTwiceShy]

Go to a qualified piercer. Not a mall outlet like Claire's. An outstanding piercer will be able to determine where the scar tissue is, determine where to pierce and offer help if the piercing goes wonky. A mall piercer with a gun doesn't necessarily have that level of expertise.

Yup, that is what I did when I had to get mine redone. I went to the same place as where I got my nipples done, because I figured if they got such a difficult piercing right, they could handle my ears. :D

[AVENues]

I will never understand Fundy-logic.

The whole "we are so modest"-thing. But at the same time they are running around with open, wavy hair and make up on their faces. :roll:

Fundy modesty is when Josh escorts people out during Anna's ultrasound and then they film her on the loo, legs wide open, giving birth with a bunch of males that aren't family around them. Or when Michelle's covered during an ultrasound then we seem the same, nude, baby filled belly except sliced open. That is fundy modesty. :wtf:

[GiGi_41]

In terms of Plain dressers, I don't know about the other groups but Quakers won't even wear wedding rings - it's a sign of equality between married and single people, equality being important in Quaker theology (particularly equality between classes). Even a lot of modern, non-Plain Quakers carry on that tradition.

In my meeting, I'm probably the most flash Quaker in the bunch as I wear a necklace, bracelet and makeup. I'm also the youngest adult in the group and I'm in my 40's. I don't have a calling for plain dress though I do tend to wear muted colors.

My calling seems to be plain speech and I struggle as I wasn't raised a Quaker. Honorific speech is taught to us from the time we are young and it becomes ingrained.

I have run into difficulty with plain speech (not using titles) as I work in the medical field as an instructor. As a Quaker those I do not know as a friend should be addressed with their first and last name. Technically I should call the doctor I work with by her first name (we are friends) not by her title and last name and when we are outside the classroom setting I do, but I find that if I do so in class there is a tendency for the students to follow suit which may cause problems for them in the field once the graduate.

I also do not allow my students to call me Ms. and I grimace at using my licensing initials as that sets me above others as we are all equal in the light. I will tell you that I do not have my DD address her daycare teachers as Miss So and So, but as the other kids do she follows suit. I'm not sure about when she starts school, I have been thinking about having her use first and last name, but I kind of feel that can be made honorific too.

Oh well, maybe by that time my urge for plain speech will have abated and it won't be so burdensome.

[gibbsgirls]

Everyone at ILBP/ATI Headquarters knows Bill Gothard dyes is hair. During the Advanced Seminar, he actually instructs on how women should choose makeup to enhance their looks. Clothing colors too. (Like he really had a clue.) He's big into scarves & other accessories as long as they are "placed correctly." Can't have a necklace plunging into your cleavage; must be just slightly below your collarbone. Also, a brooch can't be placed too close to your boobs; must be closer to your shoulder. What's really sick is how he tells dads to help their daughters choose their 1st lipstick when the dad feels it's age appropriate (13-16 yrs). This actually means the dads get to do the choosing, since girls aren't allowed to make any decisions.

[JesusFightClub]

The ear piercing thing is weird - I wasn't allowed to get mine done until I was 9 but my parents aren't even religious or conservative at all. I think it's just seen as trashy if on little girls here, or at least by my parents.

Not automatically. My niece had hers done when she was 6 months old, and her mum and dad were told off by the rest of mum's family for doing it too late :D

In my experience of Christianity (when not informed by other cultural/religious ideas) women are supposed to look pretty, but discreetly so. So no obvious make-up, just make-up which enhances certain areas (some subtle lipstick in neutrals etc).

[2xx1xy1JD]

Ok - question from a particularly dense mind: is she wearing a wig in that photo? It looks very un-wiggy.

Second q: would observant Judaism require a woman to only be photographed in a covering or wig?

TIA for enlightening me!

Also one sobering thought about Tongan/Samoan/etc body types -- when they put on weight, they put on MAJOR weight! No snark, just a reminder that there's a downside to every genetic gift. ;)

It's a wig. If an Orthodox Jewish woman covers her hair, then any photos of her would be with her hair covering.

Good wigs can look better than someone's own hair.

[AVENues]

Also one sobering thought about Tongan/Samoan/etc body types -- when they put on weight, they put on MAJOR weight! No snark, just a reminder that there's a downside to every genetic gift. ;)

Yeah, I read that too. But I'd still hit that yummy and chunky Samoan body if I knew they would not want to sleep over. 8-)

[2xx1xy1JD]

Fundy modesty is when Josh escorts people out during Anna's ultrasound and then they film her on the loo, legs wide open, giving birth with a bunch of males that aren't family around them. Or when Michelle's covered during an ultrasound then we seem the same, nude, baby filled belly except sliced open. That is fundy modesty. :wtf:

Different people will see modesty in different ways.

There's nothing remotely sexual about a c-section.

Anna may have felt the same way about her birth - that it was natural, but not sexual. There are plenty of women who have a roomful of family with them while they are pushing, even though they would never normally be naked around anyone but their husbands.

[AVENues]

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[Rosie]

Dem ringz I haz teh ring envy. I got a really spectacular set of rings when I got married and I still have them. (Um, the quote from Zsazsa Gabor about how you can't hate a man enough to give him the diamonds back.) But them rings! Wow. Beautiful.

**Um, okay 2xx1xy1JD but there is nothing arousing, sexual, alluring about a gooey ultrasound checkup either.

How about Michelle's knees? Do those qualify as arousing, sexual, alluring?

[AVENues]

Dem ringz I haz teh ring envy. I got a really spectacular set of rings when I got married and I still have them. (Um, the quote from Zsazsa Gabor about how you can't hate a man enough to give him the diamonds back.) But them rings! Wow. Beautiful.

How about Michelle's knees? Do those qualify as arousing, sexual, alluring?

Um... why do you ask. You know the obvious answer to that question. Can you please elaborate?

[Rosie]

Um... why do you ask. You know the obvious answer to that question. Can you please elaborate?

I'm not sure what you are driving at. I'm just agreeing with previous posters that the Duggars' pick-and-choose approach to modesty is internally inconsistent.

[AVENues]

Yes, I have been pretty much saying the same. Thx for your response. Cheers