Jump to content

Arnold Murray/Shepherd's Chapel


Recommended Posts

Does anyone here know much about this guy? I read a several years old discussion about him on Rick Ross's forum and some info from the Southern Poverty Law Center, but that's really the extent of my knowledge. From what I've heard he believes that Cain and Abel had different fathers (Eve slept with the snake and with Adam), may possibly be an adherent of the Christian Nationalist Movement and a white supremacist, might believe that present-day Jews are the cursed descendents of Ham, and rejects the celebration of Easter. Is this true? Are there other interesting details anyone would care to share?

(I did find the video of him threatening someone who called him a blasphemer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf2Xa3H0eQI)

I'm asking because I know someone who follows him.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

As far as what I know, it's hard to peg exactly what Murray teaches and believes because he knows some of the criticisms against him and is careful what he says in regards to him. Much of it may be because of other beliefs/groups he shares certain ideologies with and their assumptions, but he has certainly done nothing to discourage them.

The crossover is because there is a white supremacist/Christian Nationalist belief/movement called Christian Identity (CI). There are two main divisions within this group, but both believe that white people are the true Israel of the Bible. "Single seedline" CI teaches that the modern-day Jews are the physical descendents of Esau/Edom and the people who plagued the Israelites during the OT. "Dual seedline" CI teaches an idea found in a few other fringe Christian movements called "Serpent Seed". This is the belief that the real sin in the Garden of Eden was not eating a fruit, but sex between Eve and Satan (the serpent), resulting in the literal "seed of Satan" being born on this earth through Cain and his ancestors (Canaanites/Kenites) . Dual-seedliners say that this "serpent seed" are today's Jews, and they literally carry Satan's DNA.

The crossover with Shepherd's Chapel is because he does teach the Serpent Seed doctrine. He identifies this "Seed" with the people he called the Kenites. He is very careful not to identify them with any specific racial or ethnic group, but some of his followers and many of his detractors claim that they are the Jewish people (the idea being he has to hide what he's really saying to keep his program on the air). I do not know if he is actually a white supremacist or a part of the Christian Nationalist movement, but he is very popular with many of those who are on the more religious side of those movements, and there are people who are outspokenly white nationalist/supremacist who attend his yearly conferences and support his "ministry".

I haven't seen his program in years, so I am not sure how open those parts of his ideology are. I know some people get drawn into following him because he claims to just read and explain the Bible verse by verse but, in doing so, he uses it is a way to interject his own ideas and teachings into scripture and to convince people that they are the only way to interpret the truth. I think it's more a case of most of his followers not really believing in or catching the depth of the Kenite & Serpent Seed teachings, and those who already believe in them as part of an overall racist belief system flocking to him as someone "safe" to back up their beliefs (ie, you may risk your job and/or reputation by taking a week off for the Aryan Nations conference, but not for taking off to go to a "Shepherd's Chapel" conference).

As far as Easter, he rejects it in favor of Passover, and has a big yearly Passover meeting for his followers. His reasoning there is the same as many other fundies who are against Easter - the supposed connection to the goddess Ishtar and pagan fertility symbols (bunnies, eggs, and the fact that the word translated Easter in the KJV probably referred to Passover in the Bible.

Here's a forum with a ton of info and some posts from past followers:


And Murray's response to "critics" on the Shepherd's Chapel website:


Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks for the in depth reply and the links. Actually, now that I think about it, the people I know who follow him make a big deal about the fact that they celebrate Passover rather than Easter - giving hell to clerks who wish them a happy Easter, etc. He is a hard one to really nail down. The people I know have many, many cassette tapes of his preaching, but I honestly don't have the initiative/desire to listen to them!

Link to comment
Share on other sites


This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Trending Content

  • Recent Status Updates

    • HermioneSparrow


      I'm a mom for the second (and final!) time. Baby boy arrived on Sept 26th, healthy and chubby and beautiful. I cannot be more in love with my two little ones. ❤️
      · 3 replies
    • 47of74


      Finally found the real settings that make Microsoft's software behave as it does....

      · 0 replies
    • bea


      Planning on scheduling my ankle surgery around Trump's Georgia trial - if I'm forced to be off my feet, I might as well be entertained.
      · 0 replies
    • 47of74


      And yes, the Church actually has a blessing for beer.
      · 0 replies
    • 47of74


      If anyone is still wondering about my preferred method of dealing with Branch Trumpvidians...
      "I will crucify the Masters. I will set their fleets afire, kill every last one of their soldiers, and return their cities to the dirt." - Daenerys Targaryen
      · 0 replies
    • quiversR4hunting


      Mug shot day! I've popped my popcorn and ready to go watch MSNBC. 
      I can't believe some people still believe the orange lying, criminal pos! 
      · 0 replies
    • quiversR4hunting


      Stupid loneliness!
      Kid 1 went back to college (yeah! But sad foe me, she stayed with me all summer. It was nice to start a new phase in our mother/daughter relationship)
      Zero prospects on dates. (Not that I have tried online dating, scared of that but I have reached put to a new group at church, etc.
      I asked a friend to go to dinner the other night so I wasn't eating alone, again. The friend had plans, all my friends always have plans. I see stuff on social media, I'm never invited. I'm single, I'm the 3rd or 5th wheel.
      My one parent friend at kid 2's fall sport won't be there because their daughter made varsity (Yeah for her!!! Seriously happy for her. Sad for me for another sport I basically sit alone, did that majority of spring and summer sporting events.)
      And now I'm crying as my mom told me 2 different funny stores that former teachers remembered about my twin. Both stories were about how they got a crack out of my twin's antics (my parents went to a funeral today and saw former colleagues). Teachers remember me (after all I was a twin and teachers' kid) but none would have memorable stories of me. 
      I feel invisible. 
      Don't worry, this will pass,  it always does. I just need a pity party for a few days. I'm not in anyway going to harm myself. As lonely as I am, I have a very full life I (usually) love. I just needed to vent and cry for a moment. 
      If you are still reading this, thanks Fjer. 😊 
      · 3 replies
    • lawlifelgbt


      Absolutely awful about the fires on Maui. In 2019, I stayed in Lahaina. I liked to sit on the sea wall, which is the only structure left now, and watch the water. People are receiving help, but many had to leave pets. Please donate to the Maui Humane Society, which is leading efforts to find, treat, and reunite pets.
      · 2 replies
    • BlackberryGirl


      Hap carpal tunnl surgery Monday. Already feel a difference. Yay.
      · 5 replies
    • louisa05


      Nebraska’s new football coach, who is involved in an organization called Man Up Ministries, labels certain players “Alphas” and sometimes “extreme Alphas” and the local paper has a nice piece on why people objecting to the term “alpha male” are wrong and it has a “nice ring”. 🤮🤮🤮🤮
      · 12 replies
  • Recent Blog Entries

  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.