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(Possible CW: CSA) Josh & Anna 35: Embattled in Spiritual Warfare!


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Nah, it's just crimes, Anna. Just crimes.

 

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If it sounded as though I was body shaming Anna, I'm sorry. What I felt I was saying was that that dress wasn't the best choice. I think she would have looked better in more color or pattern. She just looked washed out in that pastel. She has worn more attractive clothes in late pregnancy.  I never meant to body shame her or anyone else during the last of their pregnancy. I simply didn't like that dress.

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Whoever is advising Josh and Anna is doing a terrible job. Or they aren’t listening. Smirking coming out of court is always stupid. In a case this horrendous it is especially stupid. Looking like you crawled out from behind a bush at the park where you were lurking trying to catch a glimpse of school kids is a very bad choice  (Josh) . I think Anna looked like she was literally about to pop - she doesn’t look just extremely pregnant, but has that puffy/swollen look. Putting her out there with minimal makeup, in a pale pink dress,  made her look like she was being forced to attend dear husband Warren Jeffs trial without the big hair, while possibly going into labor in the room. 

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1 hour ago, waltraute said:

After he serves his prison time, will Josh be allowed to live with children? Won't he be on a sex-offender registry forbidding that?

It will depend on the supervisory conditions the court sets, after he gets out. The state statutes vary, regarding which crimes demand lifetime supervision vs. a set period. Not sure what the federal parameters are. However, the fact that he's a registered sex offender won't automatically prevent him from living with his kids.

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4 hours ago, nelliebelle1197 said:

Nah, it's just crimes, Anna. Just crimes.

 

FYI the link at the end of the last thread links back to the start of it not to the start of this one.

4 hours ago, waltraute said:

After he serves his prison time, will Josh be allowed to live with children? Won't he be on a sex-offender registry forbidding that?

Depends I am not familiar with Arkansas rules or all states but at least normally that isn’t what the registry does. Typically a registry would forbid people on it from living next to schools (other locations vary by state), require some community notice (again exactly what varies), and require you to check in with local police at set intervals.
 

However, being forbidden from living with children could be something imposed post release and enforced by a parol/probation officer. In the federal system they don’t have parol but they do have supervised release. After his supervised release ends the only thing stoping him from living with his children would be if Anna divorced him and sued for custody or if he was investigated by child services and they got a court order forbidding him from living with them. 
 

I doubt Anna will ever divorce him. Hopefully, he gets sentenced to enough time that this is their last baby and it’s old enough that by the time he gets out that living with children won’t be an issue anyway.

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1 hour ago, Jess said:

FYI the link at the end of the last thread links back to the start of it not to the start of this one.

Depends I am not familiar with Arkansas rules or all states but at least normally that isn’t what the registry does. Typically a registry would forbid people on it from living next to schools (other locations vary by state), require some community notice (again exactly what varies), and require you to check in with local police at set intervals.
 

However, being forbidden from living with children could be something imposed post release and enforced by a parol/probation officer. In the federal system they don’t have parol but they do have supervised release. After his supervised release ends the only thing stoping him from living with his children would be if Anna divorced him and sued for custody or if he was investigated by child services and they got a court order forbidding him from living with them. 
 

I doubt Anna will ever divorce him. Hopefully, he gets sentenced to enough time that this is their last baby and it’s old enough that by the time he gets out that living with children won’t be an issue anyway.

Thanks - I fixed it! I don't know how I managed that trick!

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7 hours ago, Mama Mia said:

Whoever is advising Josh and Anna is doing a terrible job. 

Now that you’ve put it that way, I wonder if it’s actually JB who is advising Josh and Anna. It’s possible he wants them to keep up the happy couple facade for as long as possible. However, it could also be Josh’s lawyers who are behind this bad attempt at rising in public favor. Still, JB is my candidate… 

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8 hours ago, Mama Mia said:

Whoever is advising Josh and Anna is doing a terrible job. Or they aren’t listening. Smirking coming out of court is always stupid. In a case this horrendous it is especially stupid. Looking like you crawled out from behind a bush at the park where you were lurking trying to catch a glimpse of school kids is a very bad choice  (Josh) .

I wonder whether they were smirking or perhaps grimacing while trying to look confident.  Josh's lawyer is, no doubt, being paid big bucks to try to make things better and all four motions had just been denied.  They can't have been happy.

OT, but I once walked by a creep who was hiding in bushes, looking across at a school.  I called the police to report it.  The police took my description and the guy ran like hell.

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I don't get why whoever is advising Josh didn't tell him to shave and put on a decent fitting suit. It is just basic respect for the court not to look as though you just rolled out of bed and grabbed clothes off the floor. 

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32 minutes ago, FiveAcres said:

I don't get why whoever is advising Josh didn't tell him to shave and put on a decent fitting suit. It is just basic respect for the court not to look as though you just rolled out of bed and grabbed clothes off the floor. 

That unshaved look has been popular with several of the Duggar sons for years. They must think it looks good. They are probably trying to get the look that Jeremy and Ben have, but it just doesn't work for their faces. 

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Looking at the video, not the photos, what I got from Anna was the impression that she is over it and just wanted to get home ASAP. I didn’t see smugness or any adoration towards Josh, just a tired woman pasting on a smile as she walked past cameras on her way to finally sit down somewhere more comfortable. I can’t read anything more about what she thinks of the case or how she feels about Josh, but I do think we’ll be hearing about the birth of M7 within a couple of weeks. Now that the motions have been rejected, I’m just interested to see whether Josh pleads guilty before or after the baby arrives.

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I think the deadline for acceptance of a plea deal is mid October. He can plead out at any time, but his best chance for min prison time is to accept a deal before trial (assuming he’s offered one).

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Smee said:

Looking at the video, not the photos, what I got from Anna was the impression that she is over it and just wanted to get home ASAP. I didn’t see smugness or any adoration towards Josh, just a tired woman pasting on a smile as she walked past cameras on her way to finally sit down somewhere more comfortable. I can’t read anything more about what she thinks of the case or how she feels about Josh, but I do think we’ll be hearing about the birth of M7 within a couple of weeks. Now that the motions have been rejected, I’m just interested to see whether Josh pleads guilty before or after the baby arrives.

I just can’t understand WHY they wouldn’t take advantage of this one tiny little point in history where you have a real reason to cover half your face with a mask! They have been trained to flash a smile every time they see a camera, they must have been told not to do that, so presumably if it’s not smugness it’s reflex?  But perfect excuse to hide your facial expressions and they don’t take it? 
I see it with criminals on the news too-some idiot is stealing packages or breaking into cars or pulling a gun at a bank. All on camera, all maskless. Even surrounded by regular people in masks. Just mind blowing. 

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I'm interested to see how they'll handle this baby announcement.

Do they go for happy family pics with Josh taken at the Reber's on the JoshAnna instagram?

Do they go for simple baby announcement with just baby pics and statement of birth, weight and possibly name on the JoshAnna instagram?

Does the JoshAnna insta stay quiet and the Duggar insta announce birth of next grandchild while pretending to ignore the father of said child? 

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22 hours ago, waltraute said:

After he serves his prison time, will Josh be allowed to live with children? Won't he be on a sex-offender registry forbidding that?

It will depend on is post-release supervision conditions. Here in order for an offender to return to a home with children the have to complete and graduate from specialized sexual abuse treatment and the treatment provider has to give the go ahead for them to return to the home. If they have any concerns there will be re-offending behaviors they will not recommend reunification. Also, as of this time, there is not proof that Josh ever offended against any of his children so that will be a factor too. We have Adult Sex Offenders on Probation for Possessing Child Porn who live home with their wives and kids. Unfortunately, it's not just members of this cult to who stick by their man or woman, A lot of our sex offenders are married. 

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35 minutes ago, imokit said:

I'm interested to see how they'll handle this baby announcement.

Do they go for happy family pics with Josh taken at the Reber's on the JoshAnna instagram?

Do they go for simple baby announcement with just baby pics and statement of birth, weight and possibly name on the JoshAnna instagram?

Does the JoshAnna insta stay quiet and the Duggar insta announce birth of next grandchild while pretending to ignore the father of said child? 

IIRC, they remained nearly silent after Mgirl # 2 (name escapes me) who was born in 2015 after or around the Ashley Madison debacle-

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I don't think Anna, coming to court pregnant, is helping to garner sympathy for Josh. Given the charges, it's likely that they'd be concerned about Josh being around more children.. It's not like he is being charged with an ordinary crime. I think it will backfire.

I hope that when he goes to prison (hopefully he does), that Anna will be able to detox from him.

@imokit I don't think they will announce the birth. The media is already making headlines over them smiling walking out of court and the birth would create even more headlines, resulting in more negative comments from the public. The attorneys are likely advising them not to speak. I wonder if Anna will give birth at the Reber's home?

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55 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

IIRC, they remained nearly silent after Mgirl # 2 (name escapes me) who was born in 2015 after or around the Ashley Madison debacle-

According to DuggarData, this is when they announced:

  • M1   +1 Day (Mackynzie)
  • M2   +1 Day (Michael)
  • M3   +5 Days (Marcus)
  • M4   +3 Days (Meredith)
  • M5   Same Day (Mason)
  • M6   Same Day (Maryella)

Meredith was born July 16, 2015. The Ashley Madison stuff came out in August 2015. The molestation stuff came out in May 2015. 

They did wait a really long time (for them) to announce they were expecting Marcus. But they've always posted about the births. 

ETA: I don't see how anyone could announce a birth in this situation. Maybe Anna will just show up not pregnant and/or holding a baby at court.

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Question for you all and @mods Would people be comfortable changing the thread title content warnings from “CW: Child Sex Abuse” to just “Content Warning”?

I really want to respect the wishes of those who requested a cw in the first place, and at the same time I’d also love to be able to log into FreeJinger without the words “child sex abuse” constantly popping up in my feed. It’s upsetting and depressing. Thus far I’ve just muted the topics when I see them, but with the trial coming up it’s realistic that we will have new threads coming up pretty rapidly. 
 

Would labeling the threads with the words “Content Warning” be an acceptable compromise? To me it would achieve the goal of giving folks an adequate warning about triggering content, but I understand and respect that feelings vary. 

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5 hours ago, Snarkasarus Rex said:

I think the deadline for acceptance of a plea deal is mid October. He can plead out at any time, but his best chance for min prison time is to accept a deal before trial (assuming he’s offered one).

Duggar has until October 18, 2021 to let the judge know he is changing his plea, and it has to be completed by October 20.  

Four of the five motions were denied. Motion 37 (suppress evidence of the search) was not covered in the reports released right after court. I'm not sure if the hearing on motion 37 has been completed and ruled on-- anyone know?? Given four of the motions being denied, and if Duggar's attorneys think motion 37 will be denied I imagine they are discussing a plea deal.

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7 hours ago, Dominionatrix said:

Question for you all and @mods Would people be comfortable changing the thread title content warnings from “CW: Child Sex Abuse” to just “Content Warning”?

I really want to respect the wishes of those who requested a cw in the first place, and at the same time I’d also love to be able to log into FreeJinger without the words “child sex abuse” constantly popping up in my feed. It’s upsetting and depressing. Thus far I’ve just muted the topics when I see them, but with the trial coming up it’s realistic that we will have new threads coming up pretty rapidly. 
 

Would labeling the threads with the words “Content Warning” be an acceptable compromise? To me it would achieve the goal of giving folks an adequate warning about triggering content, but I understand and respect that feelings vary. 

I would like to second this. It's definitely triggering just see it written out like that. 

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Is there many people that don’t know that this thread will have that awful topic? To have the need to display it so fully. I am not triggered though so maybe my input is mute and I respect that. 

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