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  1. samurai_sarah

    LDS/Mormon Fashion Bloggers

    @Witherwings asked about Mormon fashion bloggers in another thread. Some examples of blogs are: Barefoot Blonde, Pink Peonies.... In its corner of the internet, Mormon modest fashion blogging is huge, as are sites that sell LDS standard approved fashion. Here's a place to discuss the phenomenon.
  2. So - my path to this particular subject is courtesy Out Daughtered and Sweet Home Sextuplets. The Busby's have both Instagram and Youtube channels. The other family has Instagram. And Google then takes my looking at these and starts suggesting youtube videos for five.two.love. FIve.Two.Love - five is for quintuplets. two if for the two older boys. I like this family but dad has decided to make a living from youtube vlogging (at least until Youtube puts and end to this - which from all families seems to be an ongoing issue as far as content to keep them where they are and not moved to a children's category). I will admit that when compared to say Kate Gosselin this family is calm and amusing. They led me to (thanks to both cross-overs and youtube suggestions) the following. Not Enough Nelsons. Mormon family of (now) 16. Roughly half the kids are adopted. They are, for me, loud. (As in if they spent money on mic equipment or something they might be able to get rid of the shout/yelly end of things on every video). all the girls names end in 'ee' (although daughter Janie doesn't put hers out there that way and Kass has apparently lobbed the EE off hers). Gardner Quad Squad. As the name implies they have quadruplets - but their quads are two sets of identical twins. Another family that seems to either be full time vloggers and/or MLM schilling. Kids are on the loud side but they've also just turned 5. Meet the Millers - family with 5 kids. The youngest Jensen has medical issues, congenital defect involving his esophagus, almost died at birth. And hey, dad seems to have a regular job during the day so this is more Mom's gig. April & Davey - I'm going to have to go find the link to the videos that aren't on their main channel to post in here. April is ex FLDS. (but the story is a tad humorous because her family was less than exemplary and Mom seemed to be working the FLDS system for support post divorce). Very LDS - he does Temple shifts (I'm assuming volunteering). They've had a series of exchange students living with them. She just had baby #6 (and he got a vasectomy shortly after that baby was born). She's a hair stylist who does work at home. They have had a channel (or have a channel) for kids that involved superhero videos. I haven't' checked that one out.
  3. Ron Lafferty died in prison from natural causes. He was on death row for the murder of his sister-in-law Brenda and niece Erica. The murders were detailed in Jon Krakauer's book Under the Banner of Heaven. Lafferty was due to face a firing squad sometime next year. https://news.yahoo.com/utah-death-row-inmate-featured-172237286.html
  4. [TW childhood sexual abuse] I just listened to last Friday's episode of The Daily podcast by the New York Times. It's called "Confronting a Childhood Abuser." Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/24/podcasts/the-daily/sex-abuse-sundance.html The survivor was abused by Sterling Van Wagenen, the founder of Sundance Film Festival and a well-known figure in the Mormon church. The abuse was handled within the church, as is often the case, but survivor Sean Escobar came forward with his story through a Mormon abuse whistle-blower website. It was a fascinating, raw story. I was absolutely struck by the way Sean described the lasting effects of this abusive episode on his life. So many themes shared are applicable to what we talk about here and the way abuse is hidden and whitewashed by churches at great cost to the original and likely future victims.
  5. Sam Young, the man who started the Protect LDS Children movement, will most likely be excommunicated from the Mormon church today (Sunday September 9th) At the very least, he will be disclipined, unable to take the sacrement, go to the temple, etc. People are polarized, with many supporting him in his wish for LDS bishops to stop asking tweens sexual questions behind closed doors without parental supervision, while others think he is stirring the shitpot. Others are upset that he will receive church disclipine or be removed completely fromthe church for bringing these issues to light, while a former leader who admitted to sexual misconduct is able to be in full standing in the church. Twitter and the ExMormon Reddit page are really active with hashtags like #Istandwithsam and #protectldschildren
  6. I'm always looking for a good book by former members of the FLDS and other groups of Fundamental Mormonism, and it seems like I'm always missing some. So I thought, with the help of fellow FJers, we could compile a list? I'll start with all the ones I know, then I'd love for others to have a running list, especially as new books are released. Escape - Carolyn Jessop Stolen Innocence: My Story of Growing Up in a Polygamist Sect, Becoming a Teenage Bride, and Breaking Free of Warren Jeffs - Elissa Wall Lost Boy - Brent W. Jeffs Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faiths - Jon Krakauer Prophet's Prey: My Seven-Year Investigation into Warren Jeffs and the Fundamentalist Church of Latter-Day Saints - Sam Brower Triumph - Carolyn Jessop The Witness Wore Red: The 19th Wife Who Brought Polygamous Cult Leaders to Justice - Rebecca Musser Church of Lies - Flora Jessop When Men Become Gods: Mormon Polygamist Warren Jeffs, His Cult of Fear, and the Women Who Fought Back - Stephen Singular Shattered Dreams: My Life as a Polygamist's Wife - Irene Spencer Answer Them Nothing: Bringing Down the Polygamous Empire of Warren Jeffs - Debra Weyermann Secrets and Wives: The Hidden World of Mormon Polygamy - Sanjiv Bhattacharya Cult Insanity: A Memoir of Polygamy, Prophets, and Blood Atonement - Irene Spencer The Sound of Gravel - Ruth Wariner Predators, Prey, and Other Kinfolk: Growing Up in Polygamy - Dorothy Allred Solomon Love Times Three: Our True Story of a Polygamous Marriage - Joe Darger Keep Sweet: Children of Polygamy - Debbie Palmer His Favorite Wife: Trapped in Polygamy - Susan Ray Schmidt God's Brothel: The Extortion of Sex for Salvation - Andrea Moore-Emmett Saints Under Siege: The Texas Stat Raid on the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints - Stuart A. Wright Illegitimate: How A Loving God Rescued a Son of Polygamy Daughter of the Saints: Growing Up in Polygamy by Dorothy Allred Solomon The Secret Lives of Saints: Child Brides and Lost Boys in a Polygamous Mormon Sect - Daphne Bramham Daughters of Zion: A Family's Conversion to Polygamy - Kim Taylor The Fourth Wife: Polygamy, Love, & Revolution - Carolyn O'Bagy Davis What Peace There May Be: A Memoir - Susanna Barlow Inside the World of Warren Jeffs - Carole Western Seventeen Sisters: Tell Their Story - Barbara Barlow and Virginia Webb Becoming Sister Wives: The Story of an Unconventional Marriage - Kody Brown, Meri Brown, Janelle Brown, Christine Brown, and Robyn Brown The Blood Covenant - Rena Chynoweth Fictional books: The 19th Wife - David Ebershoff Keep Sweet - Michelle Dominguez Greene The Righteous - Michael Wallace Desert Wives - Betty Webb The Chosen One - Carol Lynch Williams Hidden Wives - Claire Avery Torn by God: A Family's Struggle with Polygamy - Zoe Murdock The Lonely Polygamist - Brady Udall Sister Wife - Shelley Hrdlitschka I'm sure I'm missing some, if not a bunch?
  7. USA Today <snip> <snip> I had no idea participating in Boy Scouts was such a significant part of growing up in the Mormon faith for boys. I don't believe for a second that this has nothing to do with Boy Scouts choosing to embrace LGBTQ+ youth.
  8. If you were anything like me as a teen or tween (i.e., a chronically uncool and sheltered), then you probably read "Go Ask Alice," the diary of an anonymous teen girl in the 1960s who spiraled into sex, drugs, and rock and roll, and then died shortly after writing the final entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_Ask_Alice However, it's quite clear now that "Alice" never existed, and the entire story was concocted by Beatrice Sparks, a Mormon youth counselor, who made a cottage industry of "finding" diaries written by wayward teenagers and publishing them, ostensibly as scared straight tales: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_Sparks As this article details, the kids who were/are most likely to read books like "Go Ask Alice" aren't going to be the ones in the hardcore drug scene, but goodie-goodies wanting a vicarious thrill without any of the real-life dangers (like me): https://www.bustle.com/articles/29829-go-ask-alice-is-still-awash-in-controversy-43-years-after-publication When I read the book as a middle schooler, I was positive "Go Ask Alice" was real. Today, I realize that the whole thing reads more like an episode of Dragnet than an authentic account of drug use. As a presumably squeaky-clean Mormon, my assumption is that she got her notions about drugs from places like TIME, Newsweek, Life magazine, and probably also the afore-mentioned Dragnet. Given how many fake diaries Sparks found time to write, I have to wonder where she found time to do face to face counseling. However, "Go As Alice" has never been out of print in more than forty years, which is not an insignificant feat, maybe I need to get in on the fake scared straight diary scam. ETA This site lists examples of paragraphs that no real teenage girl could have ever written, and now I feel even stupider than twelve year old me didn't realize how fake "Go Ask Alice is": http://the-toast.net/2014/04/25/fake-lines-from-go-ask-alice/
  9. I just finished the novel The 19th Wife by David Ebershoff this past weekend, which was a really well researched story of an escapee from a fundamentalist Mormon cult returning to his home to help solve a murder case. The book also includes somewhat fictionalized passages written from the perspective of Ann Eliza Young, the 19th Wife of Brigham Young. Reading this book prompted me to look up the real Ann Eliza, who actually left Mormonism and divorced Brigham Young very publicly in the 1870s, and wrote a book called Wife no. 19, the Story of a Life in Bondage. I realized the book was free on the Google play store and so I started reading it. Apparently Ann Eliza is a pretty contentious figure in the LDS church, and many people consider her book to be somewhat unreliable and her story sensationalized, which it likely was to some extent, but not nearly to the level the church claimed. Brigham Young's crew did all they could to drag her though the mud. The book itself is a pretty dense read, largely due to the time it was written, but definitely has some interesting tidbits about life as a Mormon wife in polygamy as well as the power of Brigham Young in the community. I thought it was interesting that even on the digitized format of the book you can see how controversial of a figure she is. Someone wrote at the top "This book can be entirely disproved!" to which someone else replied "by who?" Here's the link to the e-book on Google books in case anyone is interested: https://books.google.com/books/about/Wife_No_19.html?id=0ngFAAAAQAAJ Just wondering if anyone else had read this piece or had any thoughts about Ann-Eliza.
  10. From Deseret News. This family seems to have planned out things well. Reading this article made me wonder if any non-Mormon fundies would try something like. I wonder if John Schrader or David Rodrigues would get a begging bowl for a boat. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865658005/Mormon-family-raises-children-on-boat-in-the-Caribbean.html?pg=all
  11. So I went to see the Book of Mormon the other day. Besides the fact that it is hilariously funny. It skewers fundie mission trips, the origin story for Mormonism and the white savior complex. It was interesting to see it after spending so much time on here snarking on the fundies that go to countries in desperate need of medicine/educational programs and instead decide what the locals really need is Jesus.
  12. I realize that this is pretty lengthy and time-consuming, but I decided to post it anyway, because it is really interesting and worth watching. I am not a fan of the show, but Benji Schwimmer apparently was the winner of one of the early seasons of SYTYCD. He is an openly gay dancer/choreographer, and in the following videos, he shares his perspective as a gay man who grew up in the LDS church. We talk a lot about how fundies might be treated if they came out as lgbt, or how their family and church would react...he answers pretty much all of the questions that come with the territory of ultra-religious communities and homosexuality. Anyways, the total viewtime is around 5 1/2 hours, but again, it's kind of a unique interview. If you don't want to watch all of it, I recommend skipping through to part 3.
  13. My oldest friend, who is a devout Mormon, just shared this. Her son helped teach Prince Ata while on his mission to Tonga. She's very proud because converting this guy is apparently a big deal. Not breaking link because it's a news site. http://www.nzkanivapacific.co.nz/2015/0 ... PXsKPnF9q0
  14. This website has been doing this 30 Days of Love Challenge thing leading up to Valentine's Day. Every day you're supposed to do a prescribed date/event for your "sweetie." Today's "date" just takes the cake. It's a date pairing Little Caesar's pizza with lingerie. Because nothing says sexy like a $5 pizza. I can't even. thedatingdivas.com/tara/divas30daylovechallenge-day-20/ And you can't forget the free printable invitation! thedatingdivas.com/wp-content/uploads/Becca-Hot-N-Ready-Printable.pdf I was showing some of the other dates to my husband who made the comment "Mormon women make really good high school girlfriends." He then went on to say that some of these things he would have though were neat when he was 16, but now he would internally roll his eyes if I did them for him.
  15. sltrib.com/news/1928839-155/religion-polygamy-at-heart-of-utah
  16. The Friendly Atheist posted this story http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... n-atheist/
  17. Kate Kelly, the leader of the Ordain Women movement and John Dellin are facing possible excommunication from the Mormon/LDS church. I had a feeling the leaders would eventually do this at some point. Not breaking since it is the New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/us/tw ... .html?_r=1
  18. You can't buy tampons in Brazil and you can't say tampon if you're Mormon, apparently. Pretty sure she's talking about tampons though.
  19. So I have finally been visited by Mormon missionaries- one from Texas and one from Utah. They seemed nice, and they seemed so shocked when I know the name of their founder and when I told them I was a gasp! agnostic. I wished I had the nerve to ask them why they believe that gold plates found in the US are credible :shrug:. Can the Hive Vagina suggest me questions I can ask them if they ever come a'calling again?
  20. The forum is named 'Mormons - Mormonism' the church is called Later Day Saints or LDS for short.You do not call the any other religious group by a slang name.
  21. The LDS has now sanctioned missions via social media/net. Maybe they'll stop knocking on my door? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/0 ... mg00000067
  22. Another thread discussing the viability of the fundie lifestyle model made me think of a similar religious group that also values large families: the Mormons. Mormons also stress large families, SAHM, self-employment and single income provider. The only difference is they also encourage their young men to go to college and interact with those heathen outsiders. To me, these two things makes a huge difference in overall financial outlook of their followers. This means a young man, serious about providing for a single income family, can plan from a young age to do well in school, start their own business, or do both! After all, some of the most successful small business owners are educated professionals like doctors and lawyers. This outlook also opens up more job opportunities for young men wanting to provide for a large family. Engineering, finance, medicine, law----these are solid, high paying fields which require training beyond high school. Entering these professions means young men don't have to settle for mowing lawn, raising bees or cutting trees. Sure, one can make a great deal of money doing these things, but there is less job security and a far high chance of making little income off of it. Raising a large family on a single income in the USA, with the expectation of middle class comforts such as multiple bathrooms, health insurance, access to working cars etc, requires an above average income, one which is relatively comfortable and secure. Those types of jobs disproportionately require some type of training beyond high school, sometimes vocational/technical school, many times college and grad school. If I knew I was expected to raise a large family on one income, I'd be aiming not for starting a lawn mowing service but for becoming a physician/lawyer/dentist/investment banker/ect, so that I can be assured of a good, secure income. I may invest (or start) a lawn mowing service once I had that secure job as a way to augment my income stream, but I would prefer a more secure job, so to ensure my family won't starve because the economy dipped. Despite my disagreements with the Mormon Church, I think they are better than the Duggars and Maxwells in encouraging their young people to attain education and enter lucrative professions. This probably increases the chance of passing down the tradition of large families. I believe it's much harder to convince people that large families are good if they have to struggle economically to maintain such a lifestyle. I know plenty of people that would like to have more children, but fear the economic repercussions. I don't think fundies are any different. If a church encourages young people to acquire the tools to provide for a large families, they will see more people continuing such a tradition. The way fundies do it, handicapping their young men educationally while pushing them to have large families, is a formula for poverty and financial ruin. I can imagine many fundie children leaving fundie-dom, even leaving the church, because of the poverty they suffered growing up. In the end, I don't think the quiverfull lifestyle will see growth because they provide contradictory advice to their followers. The second and third generation will suffer for it and the movement will stagnant. The Mormons, and other mainstream conservatives, will see far more success because they offer practicals ways to attain their lifestyle goals. Meanwhile, people like the Maxwells will probably witness the demise of their lifestyle within two generations.
  23. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/0 ... r=Religion
  24. Also, they do it to encourage girls to be modest. Just as cringe-worthy as you would think.
  25. How ignorant of your religion do you have to be not to know the founder was a polygamist? don't forget a two time jailbird and wife stealer and pedophile? I guess hiding truths is backfiring. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/21/us/so ... l?hp&_r=4& But when he discovered credible evidence that the church's founder, Joseph Smith, was a polygamist and that the Book of Mormon and other scriptures were rife with historical anomalies, Mr. Mattsson said he felt that the foundation on which he had built his life began to crumble.
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