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4 minutes ago, TuringMachine said:

We (bay area) are about to get a "shelter in place" order. Basically don't leave your homes unless it's essential. 

By "bay area" do you mean the San Francisco bay area?

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2 minutes ago, LeftCoastLurker said:

By "bay area" do you mean the San Francisco bay area?

Yes, sorry, should have been more clear.

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We made it So America where everyone from our plane was put into a 14 day quarantine. The authorities come every 12 hours, honk and we go to the window to have our photos taken. As of 2359 tonight, this country is closed to all forms of transportation into its borders. We are sheltering in place at my daughter’s home. She is working from home and her husband is a teacher on summer break. Between my SIL,my husband and me, we are managing the online schooling of our GD. She is in Kindergarten and while the work isn’t hard, all the apps, downloads, scanning, photos and such for documentation is a bear. Plus the WIFI is so slow because everyone is working from home. The government says folks can still leave the country, but without any planes arriving, I doubt anyone is getting out any time soon. I still think we are better off here than in CA!

6 minutes ago, TuringMachine said:

Yes, sorry, should have been more clear.

Where are you?

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7 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

We made it So America where everyone from our plane was put into a 14 day quarantine. The authorities come every 12 hours, honk and we go to the window to have our photos taken. As of 2359 tonight, this country is closed to all forms of transportation into its borders. We are sheltering in place at my daughter’s home. She is working from home and her husband is a teacher on summer break. Between my SIL,my husband and me, we are managing the online schooling of our GD. She is in Kindergarten and while the work isn’t hard, all the apps, downloads, scanning, photos and such for documentation is a bear. Plus the WIFI is so slow because everyone is working from home. The government says folks can still leave the country, but without any planes arriving, I doubt anyone is getting out any time soon. I still think we are better off here than in CA!

Where are you?

Outside San Fransisco California. One of the quarantined cruise ships was docked around here.

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Macron also spoke to his nation tonight:

jinx @clueliss!

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Trump just said we have "quite a few... a lot" of ventilators and masks.  There you go, America.  We can all breathe easier (literally and figuratively).

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The evil side of me wanted to wish that he would personally feel the consequences of contamination. However, I am not evil, so instead I just wished all his funding would dry up overnight, and that he is voted out of Congress asap.

Rep. Louie Gohmert delays House coronavirus relief bill from moving to Senate

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Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, is holding up the House-passed coronavirus relief bill and preventing it from being delivered to the Senate for a vote.

The House was expected to make technical corrections Monday to the bipartisan measure, passed by the House early Saturday, but Gohmert is insisting on reading them, a Democratic leadership aide confirmed to NBC News on Monday.

The technical corrections package has not yet been finalized and the House wants to pass it by unanimous consent because the House is on recess this week.

If one member stands in opposition, the House can’t send the bill to the Senate without bringing the entire House back from their districts to Washington for a vote. The Senate is in session this week, but schedules have been fluid because of the coronavirus outbreak

Gohmert was among 40 Republicans who voted against the bill that overwhelmingly passed the House on Saturday and was endorsed by President Donald Trump. In a statement explaining his vote, the Texas Republican praised how Trump had negotiated the package but said, "This crucial bill was not even given the normal amount of time to debate it on the House floor."

Gohmert said that he had a number of questions he wanted answered before the vote, but there was no time. "We voted, and I truly had wanted to vote yes, but could not for a bill that created so many concerns without time to examine whether some of our language did more harm than good."

"Unfortunately, now that it has passed the House, we will find out what this bill actually does," he said. "Hopefully, the Senate will take the time to clean up the damage our bill caused and not just rubber-stamp it, so I can vote for the bill that they send back to the House."

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., acknowledged in a statement Sunday that the ball is in the House’s court. He said that he commends the work Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin did to strike the agreement and that senators from both parties are carefully reviewing the details and "are eager to act swiftly to help American workers, families and small businesses navigate this challenging time."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., who negotiated the legislation with Mnuchin, said that the legislation included free coronavirus testing, even for the uninsured, two weeks of paid sick leave and paid family and medical leave. To assist people who lose their jobs amid the outbreak, Pelosi said the bill strengthens unemployment insurance and boosts food security initiatives like food stamps.

It also increases federal funds "for Medicaid to support our local, state, tribal and territorial governments and health systems, so that they have the resources necessary to combat this crisis," she said.

 

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32 minutes ago, TuringMachine said:

Outside San Fransisco California. One of the quarantined cruise ships was docked around here.

I worked in the city where that ship was docked for 20 years; Lived in The San Ramon Valley. We are now on the central coast.

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I saw this on MSNBC this morning.  He went to the hospital, asking for a coronavirus test, and was refused because he wasn't sick enough to be admitted.  He tested negative for the flu and his virus panel also came back negative.  He drove to another state at 5 AM and was able to get a coronavirus test, which came back positive.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/03/daniel-goldman-coronavirus-trump-twitter/

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I found this page about the corona virus in Sweden: https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/aktuellt-epidemiologiskt-lage/ 

The first chart is the regions of Sweden, I am sure you can find them if you just google a map of Sweden. Västerbotten is where I live. The first column is the number of known cases, the second numbers out of 100 000 and the last in percent of total cases.

The second chart shows where someone was infected. 41% still list Italy, then Austria and then Sweden. I will try to keep an eye on this page too.

I just cannot help to be a bit nerdy about this and keep track of things like this just as I keep track of the cases all over the world here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/. It is not perfect but it seems to be updating quite often. 

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Trump: no need to delay the elections 

prior to that statement Louisiana and Georgia had both moved Tuesday’s primaries.  And it looks like just this afternoon Ohio did the same.  

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48 minutes ago, clueliss said:

Maine doesn’t want anyone visiting

 

Not the whole state  - North Haven Island.

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1 hour ago, elliha said:

I just cannot help to be a bit nerdy about this and keep track of things like this just as I keep track of the cases all over the world here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/. It is not perfect but it seems to be updating quite often. 

 

that one is one of the couèle of paiges i'm looking at these days to have an idea of what is happening in the word about the virus, the other is an italian one https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/ who has many graphics to show the situation not only in italy but in europe and in the last graph the is also the us  line,,,is mre about numbers so i think it could be use full even for those who don't speak the language

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32 minutes ago, hoipolloi said:

Marco Rubio really is that fucking stupid:

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Maybe he meant maritime law? 'Cause he's from Florida.

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8 minutes ago, JMarie said:

Maybe he meant maritime law? 'Cause he's from Florida.

My guess is he meant martial law.  Being able to spell it would be handy.

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Penny Marshall? Garry Marshall? Peter Marshall? Did he just have the Marshall plan stuck in his head from some high school history lesson long ago?

It's "martial," Marcie -- er, Marco.

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It was a nice (and amusing) change from the bible verses Marco been tweeting.

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"On Fox News, suddenly a very different tune about the coronavirus"

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For weeks, some of Fox News’s most popular hosts downplayed the threat of the coronavirus, characterizing it as a conspiracy by media organizations and Democrats to undermine President Trump.

Fox News personalities such as Sean Hannity and Laura In­graham accused the news media of whipping up “mass hysteria” and being “panic pushers.” Fox Business host Trish Regan called the alleged media-Democratic alliance “yet another attempt to impeach the president.”

But that was then.

With Trump’s declaration on Friday that the virus constitutes a national emergency, the tone on Fox News has quickly shifted.

On his program on Friday, Hannity — the most watched figure on cable news — lauded the president’s handling of what the host is now, belatedly, referring to as a “crisis.”

“Tonight, we are witnessing what will be a massive paradigm shift in the future of disease control and prevention,” he said. “A bold, new precedent is being set, the world will once again benefit greatly from America’s leadership. . . . The federal government, state governments, private businesses, top hospitals all coming together, under the president’s leadership, to stem the tide of the coronavirus.”

In all, it has been a complicated dance for a network whose hosts are among Trump’s most ardent boosters and defenders — an increasingly challenging position to take as the crisis grew in magnitude. Trump, meanwhile, has long looked to Fox News and its personalities for guidance and approval, a dynamic that may have been pivotal this week after host Tucker Carlson reportedly visited with the president in person to urge him to take the coronavirus seriously.

Until then, Trump’s allies on Fox News were inclined to take the same stance that the president himself promoted for several weeks — that this coronavirus that had sickened and killed thousands of people in China was no worse a threat than the seasonal flu.

Just a week ago, Hannity shrugged at the pandemic. “So far in the United States, there’s been around 30 deaths, most of which came from one nursing home in the state of Washington,” he said last Tuesday. “Healthy people, generally, 99 percent recover very fast, even if they contract it.”

By way of comparison, he added: “Twenty-six people were shot in Chicago alone over the weekend. I doubt you heard about it. You notice there’s no widespread hysteria about violence in Chicago. And this has gone on for years and years. By the way, Democratic-run cities, we see a lot of that.”

Ingraham, whose program follows Hannity’s, also seems to have had a fast-dawning recognition that the social and economic dislocation of the virus was more than just a Democratic talking point wielded against the president.

In late February, Ingraham called Democrats the “pandemic party” and displayed photos of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) alongside enlarged images of coronavirus molecules. “How sick that these people seem almost happiest when Americans are hurting,” she said.

She kept at it through last Tuesday when, in front of a graphic reading “Trump confronts the panic pushers,” Ingraham said, “The public in some ways seems a lot more levelheaded than the so-called experts. . . . The facts are actually pretty reassuring, but you’d never know it watching all this stuff.”

Her advice: “We need to take care of our seniors. If you’re an elderly person or have a serious underlying condition, avoid tight, closed places, a lot of people, don’t take a cruise maybe. Everyone else wash your hands, use good judgment about your daily activities. Yeah, pragmatic thinking, especially if you’ve been overseas recently in one of the hardest-hit areas.”

In fact, health experts have repeatedly said that everyone, not just “seniors” or the chronically ill, should avoid contact with other people, a strategy known as “social distancing.” Their advice extends to people everywhere, not just those who recently traveled abroad. (On Friday, Ingraham tweeted that it was a “great time to fly if not in at-risk population!” The tweet was later deleted.)

By Wednesday, after Trump announced a travel ban on people from the European Union, Ingraham had started calling the pandemic “this dangerous health crisis.” She characterized warnings issued by National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases head Anthony S. Fauci about the potential spread of the disease as “sobering and scary to hear.”

Regan’s on-air speculation at the start of last week that coronavirus was merely another impeachment gambit for Democrats drew widespread pushback. Clearly the mood was changing at Fox by the time the network announced late Friday that her discussion-and-commentary program on Fox Business would leave the air indefinitely, to be replaced by newscasts. Fox insiders said Regan is unlikely to return.

But they added that Regan’s removal from air showed that only some hosts — those with the biggest ratings — are protected at Fox News. “If you put Trish’s comments up against Laura [Ingraham’s], you can’t honestly tell me that Trish is off the air” because of her coronavirus commentary, said a former Fox News executive who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak frankly about his past employer.

Alone among his prime-time colleagues, Tucker Carlson hasn’t minced words about the virus, calling it “a major event” early last week, noting its relatively high mortality rate. “It’s definitely not the flu,” he said.

He, too, blamed the “corrupt” media. But in a monologue that many took at an indirect scolding of the president, he also complained that “none of our leaders helped us to take it seriously. . . . People you trust, people you probably voted for, have spent weeks minimizing what is clearly a very serious problem. It’s just partisan politics, they say. ‘Calm down. In the end, this is just like the flu and people die from that every year. Coronavirus will pass, and when it does, we will feel foolish for worrying about it.’ That’s their position. . . . But they’re wrong.”

Days earlier, Carlson attended the birthday party of former Fox News host Kimberly Guilfoyle, who is dating Donald Trump Jr. It was at the party, at President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, that Carlson spoke personally to the president, as first reported by the New York Times, and encouraged him to take the coronavirus outbreak seriously.

Meanwhile, his network has been a petri dish for misinformation about the disease.

In comments downplaying the pandemic on March 7, Jeanine Pirro, who hosts a Saturday-night show on Fox News, offered, “All the talk about coronavirus being so much more deadly [than the flu] doesn’t reflect reality.” She reiterated Trump’s comment that the infection rate will drop “as the weather warms.”

The first statement is wrong; the second is unclear. Although the coronavirus’s mortality rate varies by country, early observations suggest it is 30 to 40 times as deadly as common flu strains. In addition, scientists are unsure whether warmer weather will slow the transmission of the disease, though it does in flu pandemics.

On the “Fox & Friends” program Friday, Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr. spun out a meandering tale advancing the baseless notion that the coronavirus was designed by North Korean and Chinese scientists to harm Americans.

The program’s three co-hosts offered no objections. Host Steve Doocy moved on to asking Falwell about Liberty’s plans to cancel classes.

Then on Sunday, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) appeared on Fox News and urged Americans to “stop panicking” and for those who are healthy to “just go out.”

Said Nunes: “There’s a lot of concerns with the economy here because people are scared to go out. But I will just say one of the things you can do if you’re healthy, you and your family, it’s a great time to just go out, go to a local restaurant.”

Fauci and other specialists have urged people not to gather in restaurants, and several states have ordered the closure of bars, restaurants and food courts.

Anchor Maria Bartiromo offered no response to Nunes’s comment. On Monday, a day later, Fox News contributor Nicole Saphier, a doctor, specifically called out the congressman on air to contradict his advice and told viewers to stay home.

 

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A scary, but informative, op-ed: "I’m in Spain, but this is a message from the future"

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Ignacio Escolar is the director of the news site eldiario.es and a political analyst.

I’m in Madrid, a ghost town battered by the coronavirus. Over the weekend, the Spanish government declared a state of emergency and imposed a strict quarantine on all citizens. We can’t leave the house unless it’s to buy food or medicine or take care of a sick relative. Schools and universities are closed. The same goes for stores, movie theaters, bars, restaurants. Police officers patrol the streets, ready to detain or fine people who violate the quarantine. Going outside to run or for a walk is prohibited.

We don’t know how long this will last. The virus is on a rampage, and over the past few weeks the rate of infection has been out of control. There are more than 4,000 confirmed cases in Madrid alone, but mild cases are hard to register. There are probably many more infected. More than 300 people have died in Spain, but the number rises every day.

All of this will sound familiar if you’re in Milan or London or Berlin. But if you’re reading this in parts of the United States, Mexico, Argentina or Colombia, then consider this a message from the future. What’s happening in Spain could be happening all over the world very soon. Does this sound exaggerated, alarmist? I thought so just a week ago.

One of the things the pandemic has taught me since it paralyzed Madrid is how vulnerable we really are, how connected we really are, how little borders matter, how fast the world can change.

How foolishly naive we can be — I was — even in the face of clear scientific evidence.

In Spain we were slow to respond. It seems like most people infected can deal with the coronavirus without getting seriously ill, with cough, fever and some aches. Many people close to me have these symptoms. It may not be very deadly, but we are all at risk of passing it along.

Health officials in Madrid have calculated that 40 percent of those infected might require hospital care. That percentage is double that of China’s because Spain’s population is a lot older. Ten percent might require intensive care.

There are only 4,400 intensive care beds in all of Spain. We will need more equipment like ventilators to assist the sick. Spain has one of the best health-care systems in the world; nevertheless, some projections make it clear that we must take radical measures to reduce the spread of the virus if we don’t want our hospitals to collapse, as is happening in Italy.

A few weeks ago, the staff of my news site, eldiario.es, started working from home. We have discovered that working remotely makes us more efficient; I’m sure other companies will reach the same conclusion after all of this is over, and a new era of remote working might begin.

I’ve seen the best and worst in people. Fear is spreading fast but also responsibility. Despite the initial panic, there hasn’t been any widespread shortages. One thing is missing, for sure: toilet paper. There have been displays of selfishness and recklessness, such as those leaving Madrid for the beach as if this were some sort of vacation. There have been cases of racism against Chinese citizens.

But these are mostly isolated incidents. The reaction from most Spanish citizens has been exemplary. Thankfully, our solidarity is also on the rise. Every night, buildings explode in applause, from balconies and windows, for our brave health-care personnel, who are on the front lines combating the virus.

We don’t know long this is going to last. We don’t know the extent of the damage for the global economy. But we know the way to survive this: take the quarantine seriously and follow the health recommendations. We must avoid crowds, wash our hands and, perhaps a little harder for us culturally, stop giving kisses and hugs. If you have mild symptoms, stay home.

We will come out of this for sure. Us in Spain and the rest of humanity. But the world, after the coronavirus, will not be the same.

 

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57 minutes ago, GreyhoundFan said:

"On Fox News, suddenly a very different tune about the coronavirus"

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For weeks, some of Fox News’s most popular hosts downplayed the threat of the coronavirus, characterizing it as a conspiracy by media organizations and Democrats to undermine President Trump.

Fox News personalities such as Sean Hannity and Laura In­graham accused the news media of whipping up “mass hysteria” and being “panic pushers.” Fox Business host Trish Regan called the alleged media-Democratic alliance “yet another attempt to impeach the president.”

But that was then.

With Trump’s declaration on Friday that the virus constitutes a national emergency, the tone on Fox News has quickly shifted.

On his program on Friday, Hannity — the most watched figure on cable news — lauded the president’s handling of what the host is now, belatedly, referring to as a “crisis.”

“Tonight, we are witnessing what will be a massive paradigm shift in the future of disease control and prevention,” he said. “A bold, new precedent is being set, the world will once again benefit greatly from America’s leadership. . . . The federal government, state governments, private businesses, top hospitals all coming together, under the president’s leadership, to stem the tide of the coronavirus.”

In all, it has been a complicated dance for a network whose hosts are among Trump’s most ardent boosters and defenders — an increasingly challenging position to take as the crisis grew in magnitude. Trump, meanwhile, has long looked to Fox News and its personalities for guidance and approval, a dynamic that may have been pivotal this week after host Tucker Carlson reportedly visited with the president in person to urge him to take the coronavirus seriously.

Until then, Trump’s allies on Fox News were inclined to take the same stance that the president himself promoted for several weeks — that this coronavirus that had sickened and killed thousands of people in China was no worse a threat than the seasonal flu.

Just a week ago, Hannity shrugged at the pandemic. “So far in the United States, there’s been around 30 deaths, most of which came from one nursing home in the state of Washington,” he said last Tuesday. “Healthy people, generally, 99 percent recover very fast, even if they contract it.”

By way of comparison, he added: “Twenty-six people were shot in Chicago alone over the weekend. I doubt you heard about it. You notice there’s no widespread hysteria about violence in Chicago. And this has gone on for years and years. By the way, Democratic-run cities, we see a lot of that.”

Ingraham, whose program follows Hannity’s, also seems to have had a fast-dawning recognition that the social and economic dislocation of the virus was more than just a Democratic talking point wielded against the president.

In late February, Ingraham called Democrats the “pandemic party” and displayed photos of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) alongside enlarged images of coronavirus molecules. “How sick that these people seem almost happiest when Americans are hurting,” she said.

She kept at it through last Tuesday when, in front of a graphic reading “Trump confronts the panic pushers,” Ingraham said, “The public in some ways seems a lot more levelheaded than the so-called experts. . . . The facts are actually pretty reassuring, but you’d never know it watching all this stuff.”

Her advice: “We need to take care of our seniors. If you’re an elderly person or have a serious underlying condition, avoid tight, closed places, a lot of people, don’t take a cruise maybe. Everyone else wash your hands, use good judgment about your daily activities. Yeah, pragmatic thinking, especially if you’ve been overseas recently in one of the hardest-hit areas.”

In fact, health experts have repeatedly said that everyone, not just “seniors” or the chronically ill, should avoid contact with other people, a strategy known as “social distancing.” Their advice extends to people everywhere, not just those who recently traveled abroad. (On Friday, Ingraham tweeted that it was a “great time to fly if not in at-risk population!” The tweet was later deleted.)

By Wednesday, after Trump announced a travel ban on people from the European Union, Ingraham had started calling the pandemic “this dangerous health crisis.” She characterized warnings issued by National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases head Anthony S. Fauci about the potential spread of the disease as “sobering and scary to hear.”

Regan’s on-air speculation at the start of last week that coronavirus was merely another impeachment gambit for Democrats drew widespread pushback. Clearly the mood was changing at Fox by the time the network announced late Friday that her discussion-and-commentary program on Fox Business would leave the air indefinitely, to be replaced by newscasts. Fox insiders said Regan is unlikely to return.

But they added that Regan’s removal from air showed that only some hosts — those with the biggest ratings — are protected at Fox News. “If you put Trish’s comments up against Laura [Ingraham’s], you can’t honestly tell me that Trish is off the air” because of her coronavirus commentary, said a former Fox News executive who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak frankly about his past employer.

Alone among his prime-time colleagues, Tucker Carlson hasn’t minced words about the virus, calling it “a major event” early last week, noting its relatively high mortality rate. “It’s definitely not the flu,” he said.

He, too, blamed the “corrupt” media. But in a monologue that many took at an indirect scolding of the president, he also complained that “none of our leaders helped us to take it seriously. . . . People you trust, people you probably voted for, have spent weeks minimizing what is clearly a very serious problem. It’s just partisan politics, they say. ‘Calm down. In the end, this is just like the flu and people die from that every year. Coronavirus will pass, and when it does, we will feel foolish for worrying about it.’ That’s their position. . . . But they’re wrong.”

Days earlier, Carlson attended the birthday party of former Fox News host Kimberly Guilfoyle, who is dating Donald Trump Jr. It was at the party, at President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, that Carlson spoke personally to the president, as first reported by the New York Times, and encouraged him to take the coronavirus outbreak seriously.

Meanwhile, his network has been a petri dish for misinformation about the disease.

In comments downplaying the pandemic on March 7, Jeanine Pirro, who hosts a Saturday-night show on Fox News, offered, “All the talk about coronavirus being so much more deadly [than the flu] doesn’t reflect reality.” She reiterated Trump’s comment that the infection rate will drop “as the weather warms.”

The first statement is wrong; the second is unclear. Although the coronavirus’s mortality rate varies by country, early observations suggest it is 30 to 40 times as deadly as common flu strains. In addition, scientists are unsure whether warmer weather will slow the transmission of the disease, though it does in flu pandemics.

On the “Fox & Friends” program Friday, Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr. spun out a meandering tale advancing the baseless notion that the coronavirus was designed by North Korean and Chinese scientists to harm Americans.

The program’s three co-hosts offered no objections. Host Steve Doocy moved on to asking Falwell about Liberty’s plans to cancel classes.

Then on Sunday, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) appeared on Fox News and urged Americans to “stop panicking” and for those who are healthy to “just go out.”

Said Nunes: “There’s a lot of concerns with the economy here because people are scared to go out. But I will just say one of the things you can do if you’re healthy, you and your family, it’s a great time to just go out, go to a local restaurant.”

Fauci and other specialists have urged people not to gather in restaurants, and several states have ordered the closure of bars, restaurants and food courts.

Anchor Maria Bartiromo offered no response to Nunes’s comment. On Monday, a day later, Fox News contributor Nicole Saphier, a doctor, specifically called out the congressman on air to contradict his advice and told viewers to stay home.

 

Martha MacCallum (on at 7PM EST) started her show by very positively talking about the coronavirus vaccine, which was administered to someone for the first time today. Can't wait to see what Hannity has to say.

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