Josh Duggar Admits to Molestation Rumors- Part 3

[Snarkle Motion]

I would love to see someone start a GoFundMe account for the girls (Jana, Jill, Jessa, Jinger and Joy), so that they could have control over money that JB couldn't touch and they could use the money to further themselves in their education or even to move or to start a business together.. Something for their future, so they could conquer their dreams, hopes and aspirations instead of being a slave to a husband their entire life. I bet it would be the largest donations that GoFundMe has ever seen. It would also be the perfect revenge against JB and Michelle, if those girls had a means to escape their current reality. Bathe your own kids Michelle, it's high time you got your fat ass off the couch!

I would donate to that! Is it possible to add some sort of language or contingencies to assure that JB really does have no access to the money?

[colossians3]

Or she could be sad her brother and his family are leaving.

I initially thought this too the first time I saw that episode but I just rewatched it a few days before all of this came out and I thought to myself that she was looking at him pretty odd. To me Jana always looks sad but this time there was more to it. The episode is called Big Changes and the scene I am referring to is around 15 minutes into it.

Btw, is your name really Nellie? Because Nellie is my name also. :geek:

[lascuba]

Where does it say that it was a minor who was requesting the records be expunged? I read the WaPo article last night, and iirc all they said was that it was one of the victims. Since the only minor would be Joy, I highly doubt that the police department or court would specify that it was a minor making the request.

As for donating money to the girls directly--whatever it is they each feel about what happened, I highly doubt that there's any plans or even major desire to leave, and if such a fund were to be started, they'd all happily hand it over for the whole family to use.

[karen77]

They may not have had it destroyed before because the request might have shown up and then people would have started digging, you know?

[VelociRapture]

I love all the "jesus/god forgave him and so should you!" Cool, once someone produces God or jesus and they make a statement about how it's all good now, I will get on board and forgive too. Til then, I'm going with no!

I also looked for a pic of the kids around 14 Kids and Pg Again, earliest special I recall. They are all so, so young.

Facebook God already posted about this - He said that He has not forgiven Josh for what he did (in much funnier, less polite terms of course).

[JenniferJuniper]

I would donate to that! Is it possible to add some sort of language or contingencies to assure that JB really does have no access to the money?

Don't. Any money raised will just go to Jim Bob.

Remember, girls and women are responsible for stirring up desires in men and boys. That's what they've been taught and that's what their parents' actions and non-actions have demonstrated to them.

[Aggie2145]

It may have, but when the girls were questioned in '06, they conveniently said everything stopped early enough to make it too late to prosecute Josh. (three year statute of limitations) I don't buy that someone who did things such as those done by Josh just stops because he is sent to help a family friend do manual labor. That's punishment, not therapy. So it wouldn't shock me if Josh continued to try to molest the girls for a long time whenever he got the chance. Either way, the girls sound coached in the interviews.

To the bolded, that is not necessarily true. As all victims were minors, the statute of limitations is tolled (put on pause in a sense) until their eighteenth birthday, or the first report to the appropriate authorities. If Hutchens filed a report - not just started a personal file, but actually filed an official report, the statute ran three years following that report (sometime in 2006.) However, if no official report was filed, limitations had not run by the time of the Springdale investigation.

Further, we are not reading the transcript of the interviews - we are reading Inv. Taylor's summary. Each interview references a DVD which is why the summaries appear to be copy-paste (they probably are.) The full transcript of Q&A was videotaped rather than transcribed.

[SnazzyNazzy]

His apology means nothing to me, because it was nothing more than a "can't deny, must apologize" scenario. The only thing he is sorry about, is that he got busted, and what it will cost him. Let's be honest, if those reports didn't surface, he wouldn't have said a word.

[eh02]

Thank goodness they have a "tattle tale" like Jill in the family. Sounds like she's the reason the report was filed.

No wonder she acts so self righteous. She was probably just trying to have some concrete sense of right and wrong since her parents clearly don't.

[Fascinated]

I am not sure why people think the girls or family/inlaws leaked. It sounds like a reporter got lucky. Some PR person in another thread said the statements sounded too polished to be done quickly. I do PR and I disagree. Likely scenario is that a reporter was digging, got the dirt, called the Duggars for comment in last day or so and TLC started the spin.

I have no problem, coming from few years in an IFB school and church, believing that Anna knew everything and it was not a big deal because the lord heals. There is no evidence Josh is a pedophile today or that he would reoffend as an adult.

I also have no trouble placing the majority of the blame squarely on J&M. Josh was totally fucked and their hypersexuality combined with their denial of sexuality had to have created some real issues for those kids. Josh was 13/4, not 16/7 the way some posters are claiming. He did a bad thing and should have been properly punished and does not deserve to get off scott free now. BUT he was a confused and damaged child who was never given the tools to even understand life outside of Jesus and ATI. He does deserve some level of understanding. The REAL villains are JimBoob and DairyQueen.

I think picking apart imagined tensions and strange looks is silly. Those shows are not going to give anyone any real insight on who did what and how Duggars feel about each other. Unless one of them breaks ranks and tells, this idle speculation is nothing but overblown chitchat that doesn't lend anything to the conversation.

I agree with this completely. Unless there is new evidence suggesting Josh continued this behaviour then the speculation about him being a danger to his daughters, or how sick Anna is for having Josh change diapers, is unnecessary and just makes a bad situation worse.

I also agree that no one in the family, or close to the family, would have leaked this information. If this was a current, ongoing situation then, yes, it would make sense to get it out there and get the authorities involved. But, as far as we know, this only happened over a decade ago and Josh cannot face charges due to the statute of limitations. So, the real question isn't who leaked the story but why. What was the goal? Certainly not to help the girls as I'm quite sure this revelation must be devastating and bringing them even more pain. So, who wanted to bring down the Duggars enough to put these young women through this now? Or was it, in fact, just a reporter who hit pay dirt? That seems the most likely scenario to me.

[FlamingFundie]

Where does it say that it was a minor who was requesting the records be expunged? I read the WaPo article last night, and iirc all they said was that it was one of the victims. Since the only minor would be Joy, I highly doubt that the police department or court would specify that it was a minor making the request.

As for donating money to the girls directly--whatever it is they each feel about what happened, I highly doubt that there's any plans or even major desire to leave, and if such a fund were to be started, they'd all happily hand it over for the whole family to use.

The "minor" fact is on the court order request itself.

[sense and nonsense]

I have so much hatred for the cop who was in cahoots with JB to deal with this in a 'Christian' way. These people are a danger to society.

[Toothfairy]

Jim Bob thinks he's above everyone. He probably thought there was no way that this could come back and bite his "Godly" family in the ass.

And he's playing politician and friends with the very person who went to prison for child pornography. Jimmy you aren't god

[eh02]

Josh may be fine now, but he became a dad only 5 years after touching a FOUR YEAR OLD.

Maybe he's never don't it again. No way we could know. But shame on his and Anna's parents for encouraging him to take on a wife and children with this unresolved baggage that he received NO real counseling for.

[HeadshipRegent]

"Don’t let him change the focus. Josh Duggar’s apology is not the story. Josh can apologize until he’s blue in the face, but that’s never going to undo the trauma that he put his victims through. " :clap:

[JenniferJuniper]

To the bolded, that is not necessarily true. As all victims were minors, the statute of limitations is tolled (put on pause in a sense) until their eighteenth birthday, or the first report to the appropriate authorities. If Hutchens filed a report - not just started a personal file, but actually filed an official report, the statute ran three years following that report (sometime in 2006.) However, if no official report was filed, limitations had not run by the time of the Springdale investigation.

Further, we are not reading the transcript of the interviews - we are reading Inv. Taylor's summary. Each interview references a DVD which is why the summaries appear to be copy-paste (they probably are.) The full transcript of Q&A was videotaped rather than transcribed.

To the bolded, I confess I am not familiar with Arkansas criminal law, but aren't criminal SOLs in place to protect the accused, not the possible victims? I know a victim can sue civilly up to three years past the age of majority, but are you saying that also applies in criminal cases?

The early story was that Hutchens may have completed but never filed a report and never alerted CPS or the local police. He retired not long after meeting with Jim Bob and Josh.

[Andora]

Is no one else disturbed that Dim Bob wouldn't allow Josh to be interviewed in the police report? And now the overtly sexual way Jim Bob acts in front of his kids, the sexual comments he kept making at Jill's wedding, the way in a recent episode they interviewed Josh about his father's embarrassing sexual comments.

:pink-shock: :oops: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[1st wiccan fundie]

I was particularly disgusting when he was quoted as saying, " I knew if I continued down this road I would end up ruining my life. " Your life? Molestation tends to ruin the victims lives! How about saying something to the tune of - I didn't want to ruin anymore lives than I had! What about their stolen purity? I don't do the purity bullshit. But ,I'm going on their own beliefs.

Hopefully, the good that comes out of this will be that sexual crimes in this backasswards religion will no longer be covered up or continue to blame the victims! Whatever your own personal faith or beliefs are....let's all send some prayers/positive energy towards this coming to fruition.

[colossians3]

Thank goodness they have a "tattle tale" like Jill in the family. Sounds like she's the reason the report was filed.

No wonder she acts so self righteous. She was probably just trying to have some concrete sense of right and wrong since her parents clearly don't.

I was really disliking Jill recently because so much was focused on her and because of her know-it-all attitude since she got married but now I see her in a whole new light and I feel very sympathetic towards her now.

[HeadshipRegent]

I hope that Mama June does sue TLC, not because she has any right to get up on a moral high horse but because she's right about the hypocrisy. I think that it was easy for people to vilify June because she's fits the stereotype of "white trash": obese, had a bunch of kids by different men, Southern accent, a criminal record, etc. Of course "someone like that" would get involved with a child sex offender. But surely the wholesome Duggars would never hid sex abuse, right? They're wholesome Christians who homeschool, don't watch TV, dress modestly, and court. Surely Josh Duggar with his young family couldn't have molested his sisters. Only "those kinds of people" do that. Many people still think that abusers are dirty, scary, low class people, not a good Christian teen. This is what the leghumpers don't want to face.

Exactly.

[Snarkle Motion]

Thank goodness they have a "tattle tale" like Jill in the family. Sounds like she's the reason the report was filed.

No wonder she acts so self righteous. She was probably just trying to have some concrete sense of right and wrong since her parents clearly don't.

Jill, I'm so sorry for judging about the sling and better-than-thou attitude...

[mrs]

Of course Josh knew it was wrong to molest his sister's. If you read the police report, all of the victims and witnesses, acknowledge it is wrong to touch peoples private parts. Even the youngest witness/victim states it is not ok for people to touch certain private body parts!

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

Okay, behind again. Quoting tamralyn from pg. 37 of part 2:

"The part that bothers me the most was Anna saying that "mama takes care of the north end, and daddy takes care of the south end." SHE KNEW. And she still gave him, most likely, unsupervised diaper changing time with Mack. I am just at a loss."

Now that makes me think: what if... everything has been getting increasingly awkward between Josh/Anna and the married daughters and their husbands lately, and this interview itself was quite awkward, and then the on-camera part ends, Ben sputters something at Josh, and the tv crew realize it's time to go digging?

(yeah, more total speculation from my end, sorry :-) ). But we've all been speculating on who figured out the info and why now.

Doubt it. The crew knew. There's no way they couldn't. The investigation happened between the early specials. They dealt with kids. They knew Josh had his own rooms and that there was weird security in the house but none outside. Just as people have always speculated, TLC has helped cover up the abuse in that house by portraying the Duggars as the best family in America.

[ljohnson2006]

If the crew knew, they would've done something. At least, I hope they would've.

[frugalitymom]

Ok now that I'm caught up here are my thoughts

I feel sorry for the girls who were the victims. I had a similar thing happen to me as a child by a teenage friend of the family. I never told anyone and I saw him again at a funeral 10 years ago and felt sick so I can't imagine having it be my brother and looking at them everyday let alone forgive them.

Second I have a 14 year old son and a 3 year old daughter and if I found out something happened I would not hesitate to call the police and press charges because my job is to protect my children no matter what. I wouldn't like having to do it but I would because molestation is a crime and there should be consequences.

Michelle and Jim Bob failed as parents when they didn't press charges and get the girls proper help when they found out