Lori Alexander: Free Health Care = Hitler

[Wolfie]

There's a fee above and beyond taxes? I've lived in an area with volunteer fire/rescue services. We did not have to pay an additional fee. Then again we never had to use those services, so I don't know if maybe a fee was billed after the fact. I always assumed these things were supported with tax dollars and never looked into it.

Part of our property taxes are a levy to help support the local volunteer fire district. The state government added another fee that all rural homeowners have to pay. It's been pretty controversial partly because it wasn't passed as a tax, just a fee, and partly because it appears that it was so that they take some of what they pay for state fire protection out of the general budget.

[freejoytoo]

The libertarian on that thread was also against schools, the police and the fire service being free

[chaotic life]

Lori is confuzzled, very confuzzled. She correctly linked the invention of universal health coverage to something that was connected to the Nazis and Hitler. That's all she got right. PP is correct. I had to take a major course on Sociology of Medicine and amongst other things I had to learn all of the types of universal health coverage, their roots, where they began AND where they currently exist.

Americans refer to Socialized medicine as a catch-all for universal health coverage. However, it's an ignorant cop-out. Socialized medicine has three PRIME examples in the world. Britian's NHS, Canada's healthcare and.......MEDICARE in the US. Those are classic socialized medicine.

Germany, not Austria does have universal health coverage. It's called the Bismarck Model. It is NOTHING like what we call Socialized medicine. It's called the Bismarck Model because it was started by Otto van Bismarck in 1885. It looks NOTHING like what we consider Socialized Medicine. In fact, if you were to compare the Bismarck Model to another system, it looks very much like American Health coverage except for a few notable differences. One, it requires all health insurance companies be NON-PROFIT (contrastly Americans sink a full 30% of our healthcare dollars on OVERHEAD that the Bismarck Model contains to about 7%). It also is portable. You can choose from the health insurance companies for the plan YOU want. Your employer pays for your premiums for the plan you choose. If you are poor or unemployed then the government pays your premiums for you so that you do not have a lapse in coverage.

One other highly notable difference in the Bismarck Model in Germany is that the extremely wealthy have the country have a right to opt out of the universal coverage. That was actually dreamed up specifically by Otto van Bismarck. He felt that if the uber wealthy were permitted to simply opt out and obtain their own healthcare, then they and everyone else would be more supportive of the standard coverage for all citizens.

So yes, the country that Hitler was the leader of in the 1930s and 40s IS the country that gave birth to the concept of unviversal health coverage. It is not socialized medicine; it's not Austria; and it sure as tooting was NOT Hitler nor the 20th century that gave birth to the concept.

Now....how pathetic is it that Otto van Bismarck, a man NOT known for being a terrific person per se, understood that healthcare needed to be the rights of all citizens of a civilized and wealthy nation and 125 years later America is STILL an embarrassment by not still fighting over whether healthcare is a comodity or a right of citizens?

[NurseNell]

I'm kind of allergic to the, "But he built the Autobahn!" argument. Yes, he created jobs, yes, he did really get a move on with the road construction. He didn't do any of that because he wanted to help the unemployed or the poor or even the country, he did all that in preparation for the war. War was the goal from the beginning. Many of the jobs that were created were in the war industry.

The building of the Autobahn was started before Hitler came to power, he just built it faster than would've been the case otherwise. The depression would've ended without him, too. The only good thing that man ever did for my country was killing himself and showing what a coward he really was.

sogba, thank you for clearing the Austria thing up for me. I love when people say they couldn't have known. Yeah, maybe if you lived on a farm in the middle of nowhere, but people in the cities had no excuse. People lived just across the street from concentration camps. They saw their neighbors getting deported. Most people simply didn't care as long as it wasn't them.

QFT

[dairyfreelife]

There's too much wtf, but it's Lori, so I'm not shocked. She's a bundle of ignorant and stupid. So much for age making you wiser.

She quotes

Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor,

doing honest work with his own hands,

so that he may have something to share with anyone in need.

Ephesians 4:28

I think that verse doesn't mean what she thinks it means.

From what I have read and heard, people come from all over the world to get health care from America since it is the finest in the world.

What did she read? Never seen any evidence of it.

Someone is working VERY hard to pay for your free health care. Nothing in life is free. Someone has to pay...

Um...no shit, Lori. It's a little thing called taxes. Get off your priviledged ass and stop whining about helping other people already. 100% certain that the Jesus of the book you follow would completely disapprove of your attitude and arrogance. Recall the tax collector and pharisee story, Lori? Holier-than-thou, self-righteous attitudes aren't approved by your God. I personally have yet to hear an argument against universal healthcare that's not downright selfish.

Oh, and Lori...you need to crack open some history books. Your post just proves you lack any knowledge of basic history. Stop acting like a know-it-all...you don't know shit. Humble yourself.

[Minerva]

Dear Lori,

Could you maybe commit to learning more about the Nazis than the fact that they had the word "socialist" in their name before you use them to make an argument? 'Cause it's giving me a headache, and your drivel is a waste of perfectly good bandwidth.

Thanks.

[terranova]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc!

[lilwriter85]

Stuff like this has happened before with Lori. She posts something without a lot of research and sometimes people call her out on things and she doesn't allow comments to be posted. On a related sidenote, today she posted a cookie recipe that Ken uses. I thought Ken was supposed to be a manly man.:roll:

[GolightlyGrrl]

Lori is confuzzled, very confuzzled. She correctly linked the invention of universal health coverage to something that was connected to the Nazis and Hitler. That's all she got right. PP is correct. I had to take a major course on Sociology of Medicine and amongst other things I had to learn all of the types of universal health coverage, their roots, where they began AND where they currently exist.

Americans refer to Socialized medicine as a catch-all for universal health coverage. However, it's an ignorant cop-out. Socialized medicine has three PRIME examples in the world. Britian's NHS, Canada's healthcare and.......MEDICARE in the US. Those are classic socialized medicine.

Germany, not Austria does have universal health coverage. It's called the Bismarck Model. It is NOTHING like what we call Socialized medicine. It's called the Bismarck Model because it was started by Otto van Bismarck in 1885. It looks NOTHING like what we consider Socialized Medicine. In fact, if you were to compare the Bismarck Model to another system, it looks very much like American Health coverage except for a few notable differences. One, it requires all health insurance companies be NON-PROFIT (contrastly Americans sink a full 30% of our healthcare dollars on OVERHEAD that the Bismarck Model contains to about 7%). It also is portable. You can choose from the health insurance companies for the plan YOU want. Your employer pays for your premiums for the plan you choose. If you are poor or unemployed then the government pays your premiums for you so that you do not have a lapse in coverage.

One other highly notable difference in the Bismarck Model in Germany is that the extremely wealthy have the country have a right to opt out of the universal coverage. That was actually dreamed up specifically by Otto van Bismarck. He felt that if the uber wealthy were permitted to simply opt out and obtain their own healthcare, then they and everyone else would be more supportive of the standard coverage for all citizens.

So yes, the country that Hitler was the leader of in the 1930s and 40s IS the country that gave birth to the concept of unviversal health coverage. It is not socialized medicine; it's not Austria; and it sure as tooting was NOT Hitler nor the 20th century that gave birth to the concept.

Now....how pathetic is it that Otto van Bismarck, a man NOT known for being a terrific person per se, understood that healthcare needed to be the rights of all citizens of a civilized and wealthy nation and 125 years later America is STILL an embarrassment by not still fighting over whether healthcare is a comodity or a right of citizens?

What a great bit of information. Thanks so much for this. I now know something that I did not know just five minutes ago. Now who is "always learning," hmm, Lori?

And I don't want to completely derail the thread but Lori seriously needs to get over herself:

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2013/ ... -container

[Minerva]

What a great bit of information. Thanks so much for this. I now know something that I did not know just five minutes ago. Now who is "always learning," hmm, Lori?

And I don't want to completely derail the thread but Lori seriously needs to get over herself:

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2013/ ... -container

because my neighborhood is very unique

I think speshul is the word you're looking for.

[GolightlyGrrl]

Um...no shit, Lori. It's a little thing called taxes. Get off your priviledged ass and stop whining about helping other people already. 100% certain that the Jesus of the book you follow would completely disapprove of your attitude and arrogance. Recall the tax collector and pharisee story, Lori? Holier-than-thou, self-righteous attitudes aren't approved by your God. I personally have yet to hear an argument against universal healthcare that's not downright selfish.

Oh, and Lori...you need to crack open some history books. Your post just proves you lack any knowledge of basic history. Stop acting like a know-it-all...you don't know shit. Humble yourself.

I responded to Lori stating this:

"Lori, there is a very good chance Kate is working very hard and paying taxes."

Kate is a Canadian who spoke highly of Canada's socialized medicine. Of course, Lori the Loon probably thinks Kate is some freeloader, not realizing Kate probably does contribute taxes because critical thinking skills are not Lori's strong point.

Lori is dumb and mean-a dangerous combination.

[dairyfreelife]

What a great bit of information. Thanks so much for this. I now know something that I did not know just five minutes ago. Now who is "always learning," hmm, Lori?

And I don't want to completely derail the thread but Lori seriously needs to get over herself:

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2013/ ... -container

I saw that post. "My neighborhood is perfect. No one fights, no one gets divorced in my neighborhood." Who calls bullshit? You live with someone else, you will fight with them at some point (not physically, but argue). It's not a big deal to have a row with someone here and there. Everyone is different and it happens sometimes. It teaches problem-solving skills and learning to compromise. But Lori has no awareness of those. Special little snowflake indeed.

[Minerva]

I saw that post. "My neighborhood is perfect. No one fights, no one gets divorced in my neighborhood." Who calls bullshit? You live with someone else, you will fight with them at some point (not physically, but argue). It's not a big deal to have a row with someone here and there. Everyone is different and it happens sometimes. It teaches problem-solving skills and learning to compromise. But Lori has no awareness of those. Special little snowflake indeed.

How would she know that none of her neighbours have been divorced? Has she made them fill out a survey?

I responded to Lori stating this:

"Lori, there is a very good chance Kate is working very hard and paying taxes."

Kate is a Canadian who spoke highly of Canada's socialized medicine. Of course, Lori the Loon probably thinks Kate is some freeloader, not realizing Kate probably does contribute taxes because critical thinking skills are not Lori's strong point.

Lori is dumb and mean-a dangerous combination.

I think that in Lori's world, only "freeloaders" support socialized healthcare. She'd be surprised to learn that most Canadians support our system, and most Canadians work hard and pay enough income taxes to offset their own medical costs. I don't pay enough tax to do so yet, but I will after I graduate and get a career, at which point I will join the ranks of Canadians who don't mind having other people benefit from a small portion of their taxes.

[GolightlyGrrl]

How would she know that none of her neighbours have been divorced? Has she made them fill out a survey?

I think that in Lori's world, only "freeloaders" support socialized healthcare. She'd be surprised to learn that most Canadians support our system, and most Canadians work hard and pay enough income taxes to offset their own medical costs. I don't pay enough tax to do so yet, but I will after I graduate and get a career, at which point I will join the ranks of Canadians who don't mind having other people benefit from a small portion of their taxes.

Well, now don't you get all logical and stuff, Miss College Girl-all uppity, thinking she's better than everyone with her fancy book learning. ;)

Hmm, I wonder if Lori will take Social Security?

[dairyfreelife]

How would she know that none of her neighbours have been divorced? Has she made them fill out a survey?

I think that in Lori's world, only "freeloaders" support socialized healthcare. She'd be surprised to learn that most Canadians support our system, and most Canadians work hard and pay enough income taxes to offset their own medical costs. I don't pay enough tax to do so yet, but I will after I graduate and get a career, at which point I will join the ranks of Canadians who don't mind having other people benefit from a small portion of their taxes.

Everyone who ever takes any help at all is a "freeloader" to Lori no doubt. Guarantee she thinks I'm a freeloader too for receiving some help getting through school. Despite the fact that I work hard, pay taxes and in the end, the plan is to pay it back through my job. The government is helping me now, but they'll get it back soon. Lori is a priviledged, entitled asshole. She's the very thing she whines about. She was raised in priviledge and married priviledge. She wouldn't know money struggle if it bit her on the ass. It amazes me how much she lacks any critical thinking skills.

As for divorce, no clue how she knows. She says only one couple was divorced and no one else unlike other neighborhoods she's lived in all because she prays for them or something. No one fights either (cause she totally knows exactly what goes on in the homes around her when she's not inside them, you know).

[lilwriter85]

I also saw Lori's neighborhood posting. She doesn't know what goes on behind closed doors. Some couples will a life long tumultuous marriages. Also in her Christmas posting, she was pretty smug about how her nephew has friends from broken homes. Sorry Lori your nephew isn't any better than his friends and likely the nephew doesn't the whole stories. Based on Lori's background, she has been privileged her whole life. Her dad was a doctor and from what I can tell from the blog, she has never had any hard financial times. She went to Hawaii sometime last year and Ken seems to make enough for them to live on one income comfortably. Good for Ken, for having a good business, but Lori doesn't understand that things don't always work out for people and sometimes they do need help.

[moodygirl86]

Yeah, because guaranteeing free life-and-death treatment to your country's citizens is totally the same thing as mass genocide! *sarcasm*

Honestly, how much bollocks can these people talk?

[chaotic life]

LOL, her ferverant prayers have yielded strong marriages, productive grown children and.......well kept yards. At least she's arrogant enough you can spot what *really* bothers her.

I got OUT of HOAs. I know my yard is the bane of my neighbors existence. I'm too BUSY mothering my kids to care if the yard is cluttered with toys and the landscaping is pristine. I'm betting my long-term marriage and passel of honor roll students--ALL with goals to head to college wouldn't really negate my yard condition to her. I'm guessing she would consider me a horrible person simply hiding my dysfunction because her prayers would fix my yard, no matter how hard she tried.

[lilwriter85]

I have never had to deal with HOAs, but I know people who have to or did in the past. I heard some horror stories about crazy restrictions. In Lori's neighborhood posting, she said that everyone gets along. I think some people just tolerate each other and act pleasant in front of Lori. There is probably someone in that neighborhood who doesn't like Lori.

[Minerva]

I have never had to deal with HOAs, but I know people who have to or did in the past. I heard some horror stories about crazy restrictions. In Lori's neighborhood posting, she said that everyone gets along. I think some people just tolerate each other and act pleasant in front of Lori. There is probably someone in that neighborhood who doesn't like Lori.

Someone? :lol: I doubt many of them like her, which is why they're all keeping sweet when she's within earshot.

[lilwriter85]

Someone? :lol: I doubt many of them like her, which is why they're all keeping sweet when she's within earshot.

I also wonder if her neighbors know about her blog lol. I remember her talking about being friends with a couple of the neighbors. I agree, people keep sweet around her. A memorable moment on Lori's blog was when a young man named Ben who knows her, called her nd Ken out on a lot of BS. Other people wouldn't have known that Ben knew her until she mentioned something in the comments about him being in California for college. There is mystery and I wondered how Ben knew Ken and Lori. Lori pisses off some of the people she knows in her day to day life. She admitted in one entry that a few couples at her church rejected her advice. Maybe Lori acts pleasant and ok in front of her neighbors, but overall I doubt knows every neighbor's whole story.

[EyeQueue]

Lori is a priviledged, entitled asshole. She's the very thing she whines about. She was raised in priviledge and married priviledge. She wouldn't know money struggle if it bit her on the ass. It amazes me how much she lacks any critical thinking skills.

Yep. And I love how one of her leghumpers in the comments for that post basically make renters out to be some kind of lower order of humanity.

[lilwriter85]

Yep. And I love how one of her leghumpers in the comments for that post basically make renters out to be some kind of lower order of humanity.

I missed that comment lol. It doesn't surprise me Lori's leghumpers are also douchy like her. I still remember Lori's bankruptcy posting, her leghumpers were douchy.

[dairyfreelife]

Yep. And I love how one of her leghumpers in the comments for that post basically make renters out to be some kind of lower order of humanity.

I missed that comment. I'm not upset by such a comment though. I already know my status to these overpriviledged type. I'm the bane of their existence. A nearly atheist, college-educated, independent, strong-willed woman who has no intention of being "put in her place" or being submissive to the men in my life and who uses government aid to get through school. I was raised in a lower middle class home and it was nice and I never lacked anything. My parents loved me, though admit I was the difficult child. I had plenty of clothes, shoes, coats, etc. I never went hungry. I always had a roof over my head and I never feared not having food or home or shoes on my feet. I had plenty of toys and went to nice public schools while living in a small suburb, almost rural area. Sure my parents didn't get me a car at sixteen and I didn't get a computer until I went to college, but I still had plenty I could have wanted (most children where I live don't get cars at 16. Most parents didn't have that kind of money). Yet, unlike Lori and her leghumpers, I was not stupid on reality. This atheist doesn't see herself as above others in class status.

Lori has a new post in which she quotes Ken:

Why does a homosexual get a free pass with his sins under the excuse that "God made me this way," but all of my sins I am to battle against, and own, recognizing the need for my Savior?

Translation: Why don't I get to lust after other women and be a total asshole by cheating on my wife, but society lets you have sex with an adult of your own gender? It's not fair, so you need to do what I sayGod says and stop it!

When the creature denies the nature God has given him, and chooses an unnatural state based on sexual preference, the fundamental building block of the family is undermined. So long as the homosexual stays private with their sexual preferences, they are welcome in my home and in my church, we can be friends.

Translation: I don't care what someone does in private because then I don't have to know about it and as long as they keep their mouth shut about it, they are fine in my house and church. But if they tell me they are homosexual, I can't be seen with them anymore and they will never welcome in my house or church because I'm way above them in God's totem pole and we just can't work so go back to your sin dens.

when homosexuality becomes a political agenda to recreate what God has established by nature and by His Word, then it is important that Christians, in love, stand firm for the family, as God has designed it; husband, wife and children. Save God's environment!

How many times do these one man, one woman people have to be told that this isn't God's "original" design. He allows all sorts of varients of this. I mean if a woman can be forced to marry her rapist or to marry her owner because she's a slave or for a little girl to be forced into an arranged marriage after her mother and father were killed and she was captured by invading men who see her as war goods and their god never claims any of this is wrong, is allowing two consenting adult men or woman to marry each other really that bad to them?

[Maggie Mae]

The thing that gets me about the neighborhood post is that she is basically claiming that her neighbors now are better because she prayed for them. If she has the direct line to god and to fix everyone's problems, why doesn't she try praying for something less selfish? I can think of a few things...