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      Guest Speaker 1.26.17 @ 8pm eastern   01/22/2017

      I am pleased to announce that we have are going to have a Q&A with an ex-evangelical on Thurs, January 26, 2017 @ 8pm.  The Q&A will last for approximately 1 hour.  I will be setting up a subforum for guest speakers as I hope to be able to get some other folks come talk to us. Our guest on Thurs will be Chris Stroop.  Here is his bio: Christopher Stroop grew up a rank-and-file member of the Christian Right in an Evangelical enclave community, Stroop's childhood social milieu consisting mostly of family and people associated with church and/or Christian school. From about the age of 16, Stroop found himself dealing with an increasingly acute crisis of faith that was not addressed properly by the people he talked to about it, and he was subjected to spiritual abuse. Stroop nevertheless went on to earn a BA in history and German from Ball State University (summa cum laude) in 2003, and then a Ph.D. in modern Russian History and Interdisciplinary Studies in the Humanities from Stanford in 2012. Subsequently, Stroop spent three academic years teaching in the School of Public Policy at the Russian Presidential Academy of National Economy and Public Administration in Moscow, where he kind of sort of almost got in trouble for "teaching Pussy Riot lyrics." Currently, Stroop teaches nineteenth-century European history and Russian Studies classes as a Provost's Postdoctoral Scholar at the University of South Florida and, as a freelance writer and public speaker, speaks out against the abuses of conservative Christianity in general and the the white Evangelical subculture he comes from in particular. You can find many of his writings in this vein on Religion Dispatches. If you would like to support this work financially, please click here (for monthly support) or here (to leave a one-time gift). Stroop's more academic writings can mostly be found here, and you can follow him on Twitter - @C_Stroop.   We are going to use the Q&A forum format.  I will be setting up a special forum just for Chris.  I will open the forum about 15 minutes before the Q&A starts so you can start asking your questions.   We have a few rules.  Failure to follow these rules will get you temporarily placed in the Prayer Closet so we can preview your posts.  If you get put in the PC during the Q&A you will be released once it's over, but lets just follow the few simple rules so none of that is necessary. Rules for Q&A: 1. Be polite.  This is not an event meant for snark.  Chris is taking time out of his busy schedule to talk to us.  He is an expert in the things we discuss here, so let's give him respect, please. 2. One question per post.   Please don't bog him down with a bunch of questions in one post.  We are using the Q&A format so he can easily answer questions.  Putting a ton of questions in one post defeats the purpose.   You can continue discussion on the thread as he answers and ask another question in the same thread if you have one after he answers. 3. Please try to keep thread drift to a minimum during the Q&A.  After it's over, if you want to continue discussion on the topics  and they drift, that's fine. 4.  Be polite! These rules are subject to change as I and the helpmeets think over possible loopholes (cause there is always one person that has to push boundaries)
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James Ference is a dad again...

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This may be old news to some, but new news to me, via a member here who may not want to post it publicly. James' not-actual-wife (ceremony performed while he was still married to Natalie Nyquist), who may now be his actual wife since the divorce is finalized, had a baby boy in what looks like August of this year. She's on FB under the name "Chelsea Finkelstein" and there's a picture of the happy family in her photos. Her profile is largely private, but yep, that's James.

How many kids and wives does that make now? There was Wife #1, who had kids already and dodged the bullet by not having any with him. Then Wife #2 or possibly 3, with whom he had one kid, but he cheated on her with Girlfriend #1, who had a kid with him, and then another kid with the wife. Then a son with Natalie, who was Wife #4, and left his lying cheating bigamous ass when her son was an infant (you go, girl). I believe the wife with whom he had the 2 kids was on the Yuku board talking about his inability to hold down a job, which meant no child support, he did not support the girlfriend's kid, and Natalie seems to support her little dude herself.

Which means poor Chelsea - who is, if I recall correctly, either a teen or close to it, is wife #5 with kid #5.

Maybe the fifth time is the one he gets right?

That man is a train wreck all on his own.

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Never heard to his person. Can someone explain who he is.

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I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. So wrong on so many levels.

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jamesferenceisaliar.blogspot.com/

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I can't even begin to tell the story, it's too.long

Do a search of this board for his name, or Natalie Nyquist, and you'll get the whole story. He's a con man and a sociopath who ended up married to one of the rising stars of the YLCF when she was reeling from being dumped and divorced by the husband Daddy had picked out for her.

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I can't even begin to tell the story, it's too.long

Do a search of this board for his name, or Natalie Nyquist, and you'll get the whole story. He's a con man and a sociopath who ended up married to one of the rising stars of the YLCF when she was reeling from being dumped and divorced by the husband Daddy had picked out for her.

I've just spent the last hour reading up about this guy- I'd never heard of him before seeing this thread. Honestly, out of all of the fundie and non-fundie jerks I've read about on this website, this guy's story makes me the angriest. He continuously manipulates these women into marrying them and now it seems like his latest wife was married to him when she was barely of age. I hope one day his gets his comeuppance. I'm just sad to hear about all of the children involved in this manipulative jerk's life. God knows the damage that's already been done.

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Of all the fundies and non-fundies we discuss here, he's the one I am surest is a genuine sociopath. He's not going to change. He'll move onto the next victim when this one has had enough or when he's tired of playing with her.

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This may be old news to some, but new news to me, via a member here who may not want to post it publicly. James' not-actual-wife (ceremony performed while he was still married to Natalie Nyquist), who may now be his actual wife since the divorce is finalized, had a baby boy in what looks like August of this year. She's on FB under the name "Chelsea Finkelstein" and there's a picture of the happy family in her photos. Her profile is largely private, but yep, that's James.

How many kids and wives does that make now? There was Wife #1, who had kids already and dodged the bullet by not having any with him. Then Wife #2 or possibly 3, with whom he had one kid, but he cheated on her with Girlfriend #1, who had a kid with him, and then another kid with the wife. Then a son with Natalie, who was Wife #4, and left his lying cheating bigamous ass when her son was an infant (you go, girl). I believe the wife with whom he had the 2 kids was on the Yuku board talking about his inability to hold down a job, which meant no child support, he did not support the girlfriend's kid, and Natalie seems to support her little dude herself.

Which means poor Chelsea - who is, if I recall correctly, either a teen or close to it, is wife #5 with kid #5.

Maybe the fifth time is the one he gets right?

That man is a train wreck all on his own.

Oh my goodness. Thanks for the scoop. Chelsea must never go online if she's still with him. So very sad.

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Read part of the website yesterday! He's crazy & why r these women getting involved w/ him!

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Because, like most sociopaths he's charming and charismatic and knows exactly how to play ppl to get what he wants. And he can spot someone who will fall for his schtick a mile away. He doesn't attach himself to emotionally healthy women who will spot the red flags and run, he finds ppl who have unmet emotional needs or are unhealthy and sucks them dry.

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I saw Chelea's facebook page. She looks about 16 and he looks about 40!!

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Because, like most sociopaths he's charming and charismatic and knows exactly how to play ppl to get what he wants. And he can spot someone who will fall for his schtick a mile away. He doesn't attach himself to emotionally healthy women who will spot the red flags and run, he finds ppl who have unmet emotional needs or are unhealthy and sucks them dry.

He would have to be one of the most charming and charismatic sociopaths out there to attract all of those women, because looks-wise...yeah, I don't get it.

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Because, like most sociopaths he's charming and charismatic and knows exactly how to play ppl to get what he wants. And he can spot someone who will fall for his schtick a mile away. He doesn't attach himself to emotionally healthy women who will spot the red flags and run, he finds ppl who have unmet emotional needs or are unhealthy and sucks them dry.

That must be some charm and charisma because his appearance borders on repulsive.

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What? You don't find him attractive? Not even in his wedding pics?

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So how are they paying for this child?

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That must be some charm and charisma because his appearance borders on repulsive.

You are too kind. To me, he's flat-out hideous--sociopathy aside, even. He must really know how to pick his victims.

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You are too kind. To me, he's flat-out hideous--sociopathy aside, even. He must really know how to pick his victims.

There's no denying he fell out the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. But the sociopaths that 'fail' are the unintelligent ones, not the ugly ones. Good looks are a definite plus, but ugliness isn't much of a barrier.

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Infuriating. This man just runs around sperminating women with impunity.

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He's going to be arrested soon and we will be seeing a mugshot of this guy. There is an arrest warrant for him for failing to show in court to address a charge for trespassing.

They were also evicted from their apartment last year.

Appears his new wife is no better. Do a search and you find she was arrested for passing off a bad check, kicked out of her apartment, and some lawsuit between her and her neighbors.

Geez....

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He's going to be arrested soon and we will be seeing a mugshot of this guy. There is an arrest warrant for him for failing to show in court to address a charge for trespassing.

They were also evicted from their apartment last year.

Appears his new wife is no better. Do a search and you find she was arrested for passing off a bad check, kicked out of her apartment, and some lawsuit between her and her neighbors.

Geez....

Do we even have evidence they are legally married? Is there any proof of a formal ceremony following the Halloween faux wedding a couple of years ago?

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Also, i saw photo on his fb page showing his older kids from his first marriage visiting the baby. How this guy even has visitation rights for those children, I can't comprehend.

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He is still on Plenty of Fish. His yahoo and AIM ID is "concertpianistkc" So he is pretending he is with the orchestra? What does he do for income?

I know POF is a freebie site so he may have overlooked it, but still...he's married. Again. He really should take it down. It's crappy anyway.

Hmmmm....he has a "show cause" hearing scheduled on 11/21/13 regarding non-payment of child support. The summons was served to his "roommate" Chelsea Hodapp.

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases ... Dockets.do

He was originally ordered to pay $700 a month, plus $100 a month towards the $2100 in arrears. He never paid anywhere near that, and she has been fighting tooth and nail to get anything since 12/11.

I want to say that Chelsea is young and dumb, but water rises to it's own level. She had plenty of information available to her and she chose to make a baby with the man. She accepted the summons. She knows what is going on.

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