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I just came across something about Pensacola Christian College and decided to look it up on Wikipedia.

I have honestly never come across something that reminds me simultaneously of 1984 and the Handmaid's Tale. It seems that they have absolutely zero trust in their students' ability to make the right decision, and I can't understand why anyone would want to go there.

Rules and regulations

Regulations govern many aspects of the residence hall students' lives, including dress, hairstyles, cleanliness of residence hall rooms, styles of music (PCC only permits its students to listen to classical music, traditional Christian music or Sacred music), borrowing, off-campus employment, and internet access.

PCC also has strict policies regarding mixed-gender interaction. Physical contact between members of the opposite sex is only permitted under very limited circumstances. Written permission of the dean’s office must be procured for all off-campus meetings between members of the opposite sex. In addition, all mixed-gender meetings (on and off-campus), must have a PCC chaperone present. Most stairwells and elevators on campus are segregated by gender. In the absence of being able to have physical contact, a fad has developed among dating students on campus where couples stare deeply into each other’s eyes. This practice by students is variously called "eye kissing", or "optical intercourse" and is jokingly called "making eye babies."

Other violations of PCC policy include the use of language considered profane or foul by the college administration, visiting movie theaters, patronizing unauthorized area businesses, being off campus after hours and being in another residence hall room after hours. Additionally, being in a residence hall belonging to a member of the opposite sex, the use of alcohol, or tobacco products, gambling, possession or use of pornography, engaging in any form of pre-marital sexual activity or any other actions considered by the college to be immoral, and engaging in social activities with members of the opposite sex as a group while off campus can result in immediate dismissal. The administration of PCC also reviews any reports brought to their attention of students behaving in a manner unbecoming of PCC ideals who are at home or away on school breaks while enrolled at the college.

Demerits and discipline

For students who do acquire demerits, PCC has three levels of punishment; students can be "socialed", "shadowed", or expelled.

PCC prohibits physical contact of any kind between members of the opposite sex. Students caught violating this prohibition are subject to being socialed. Students who have been socialed are not permitted to speak or interact with members of the opposite sex for a period ranging from one day to four weeks, depending on the severity of the offense. Students who are found with the opposite sex anywhere on campus deemed to be an unchaperoned area after 6 pm can be subject to being socialed as well.

Upon suspicion by the Dean's office that a student is in great violation of college policy, that student may be subject to being shadowed. Individuals who are shadowed are assigned to a Floor Leader (a fellow student who is selected by PCC to provide leadership in the residence hall and to enforce college regulations) and must remain with the Floor Leader at all times. This includes being required to attend the Floor Leader's classes and moving to the Floor Leader's room. While being shadowed the student is prohibited from speaking with any student other than the Floor Leader. The purpose of shadowing is to provide the administration time to review the case against the student and to assess the seriousness of their infraction. Infractions that result in being shadowed are usually deemed to be severe enough to result in expulsion from PCC, but not all students who are shadowed are subsequently expelled from PCC.

The final form of punishment is expulsion or forced withdrawal from the college. Expulsion is often used in conjunction with shadowing, to provide a time frame for arrangements to be made for the student to leave campus and return home. In certain circumstances, students have been required to leave campus within the 24-hour period after expulsion without arrangements being made; however, this is only in extreme cases. Students who have been expelled or who withdraw from PCC on poor terms are often denied requests to return to the campus for a cooling off period determined by the Administration. If such a student returns to the campus without permission, they will be escorted off PCC property.

Concerns regarding discipline at PCC

Many individuals have shown concern over disciplinary measures taken by PCC, especially shadowing. "There is an implied 'presumption of guilt." Any student is vulnerable to having his life severely interrupted, possibly suffering exceptional emotional and spiritual distress as he is isolated, pressured, and scared, being made to feel guilty even when there is no reason."

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I have heard about PCC before and other colleges that BYU look liberal are Bob Jones University and Wheaton College (Illinois)

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Wow. I didn't know that there was a more restrictive college than Liberty University. Liberty might randomly drug test you and have a stricter dress code than nursing school, but they do allow couples to hold hands.

It looks like they've pulled the Liberty Code of Conduct off the official website, but http://saveandrewgarib.com/?page=templates/article&articleid=333 seems to cover everything I remember from it.

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It's where Jennifer Hartono the Indonesian exchange student the Duggars are hosting attends.To the D girls and Anna she must seem a like a real brain.I take it it would be the equivalent of a regular person attending Harvard.

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Why don't they just keep the sexes completely segregated? It would be so much easier to just not allow any interaction between them. Or they could just become and all-boys school and not allow any girls to go there. This is just so ridiculous.

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BJU and PCC are pretty much twin IFB churches, only BJU has a longer history.

I only wish we could convince a student at each to become a true FJer. It would provide us all with an eternity of entertainment.

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I have heard art is censored at PCC-librarians use black markers to cover paintings and sculptures to make evrything modest;

Students must be in bed with lights out at 11:00pm-no extra studying for finals-that is considered cheating.

The internet and library are also highly censored, making research for papers very difficult.

Borrowing is considered stealing.

Yes, touching is forbidden. I read of one case where a male student touched a female's back-not a hug-just placed his hand on her and she was expelled along with him.

Another case, a group of male students and a group of females students happened to be in the same McDonald's at the same time. They did not travel there together or arrange to meet there, just happened to be there at the same time. All were expelled.

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Years ago I saw an advert for a professor position of some kind at Wheaton College, and for the lulz I checked it out. They asked whether you'd been divorced and stated explicitly that this would be discussed at the interview. My then-boyfriend suggested that you could probably get away with it if you said that your ex had turned his back on God and run off with a stripper, but I am not so sure....

At one point I amused myself by checking out the policies of various fundie universities, but this one takes the cake!

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I remember finding out about this school while searching for colleges to apply to. This former student had a website devoted to exposing all their crazy rules and creepy policies. Brothers and sisters couldn't even be alone together because it would look bad :roll:

It's still not as horrifying as all the situations with the SAHDs, though. I mean--if the choice is between PCC and staying at home with mommy and daddy into my thirties, then bring on the PCC sweatshirt.

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Rules and regulations

(PCC only permits its students to listen to classical music, traditional Christian music or Sacred music),

Hey, does that mean I could get away with listening to Ave Maria? :twisted:

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So, you have classes and go to school with people of the opposite gender of the same age, but you cannot look or speak or have interaction whatsoever with them? Wow, that would be hard. You couldn't even ask them a question for fear of getting expelled because you may look at their eyes. If people are having "eye intercourse" (whatever that is meant to mean :think: ), you think it might be because they are at the prime "mating" age and are being forceably sexually repressed?

Most dorms have policies regarding noise after a certain hour (like 11) on school nights (Sun-Thurs nights), but it's for the respect of others so people can get their rest. 6PM? There are still classes at that time at my uni. Separate stairs and elevators? I've walked up and down stairs and gone up and down elevators alone with boys and guess what happened?...Nothing at all.

Not to mention not even group outings with the othe gender and requiring special permission to do so and they decide where and I bet you even need a chaperone? Why are these schools so uptight about virginity and purity? I mean, if I go out with a guy and have a roll with him, that's not anyone's business and if I got pregnant, that's our responsibility, not my university's.

I'll take my pagan factory, secular, evolution-teaching, public university over this one any day! My uni expects me to be the responsible adult where my decisions are mine alone.

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BJU and PCC are pretty much twin IFB churches, only BJU has a longer history.

I only wish we could convince a student at each to become a true FJer. It would provide us all with an eternity of entertainment.

If it makes you feel better, the president of the SSA at my college went to BJU.

and got kicked out for asking to many questions.

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Hey, does that mean I could get away with listening to Ave Maria? :twisted:

No. Because they wouldn't count Catholic as Christian. :!:

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After a girl I know told me she was attending PCC I looked up a lot of info about them including pages made by former students that talk about how ridiculous the rules are. I can't remember where I found it but apparently there are no locks on residence hall doors and faculty can conduct unannounced searches of any student's room for any reason. Including searching through dresser drawers. I also read that they even read student's mail that comes through the campus post office.

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Hey, does that mean I could get away with listening to Ave Maria? :twisted:

That is exactly what I was thinking. I love that song. But it is ebil Catholic stuff.

I actually know someone who goes to this school. I honestly don't know how he does it. I would never be cut out for any of these uber strict schools. Can't take my Beatles music :D

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No. Because they wouldn't count Catholic as Christian. :!:

Yeah but it's sacred music isn't it? It even quotes the bible.

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Yeah but it's sacred music isn't it? It even quotes the bible.

No, because according to them the Catholic bible is the wrong bible.

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With so many rules focusing on students' sex lives or lack thereof, you just know that at least one faculty member is boinking his students.

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No, because according to them the Catholic bible is the wrong bible.

Ave Maria, gratia plena Dominus tecum

Hail [Mary], full of grace, the Lord is with you. Luke 1:28

Edited to add: This school is whackadoodle. There are looser rules at West Point, or even the evangelical loving Air Force Academy. Why not just make it a boys only school?

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Because they want suitable enough girls for the male graduates to marry presumably.Instead of meeting just some random Fundy girl like Josh Duggar did they already know a collection of women they can pick from and the same applies to female students.

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BJU and PCC are pretty much twin IFB churches, only BJU has a longer history.

I only wish we could convince a student at each to become a true FJer. It would provide us all with an eternity of entertainment.

I first learned about BJU, several years ago when singer/songwriter Chris Sligh was a contestant on American Idol. There was a very in depth article about him. He attended BJU and was kicked out because he attended a Christian music group concert which was deemed as too liberal by BJU. Sligh said later on that he disliked BJU quite a bit and that being kicked out didn't bother him because attended another religious affliated college that was better fit for him.

I found some other anti-BJU comments online and later on I found stuff about PCC, Wheaton College, Liberty and a few other schools.

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I think people go to PCC because it's super cheap. Tuition for the semester is $2050; Room and board is $1700. So, for about $8k/year, you can get a degree. For comparison, tuition at my local University of California is $13k/year. Room and board would be another $13k/year - for a total of $26k/year. My local California State University charges about $2k/semester, again, not including room and board. Patrick Henry College charges $11k/semester, plus $2500/semester for meals, plus anywhere from $1300-$2000 for housing. Total? About $30k/year. So, for a "buy used and save the difference" family, PCC is an obvious choice.

Plus, a fundie family could spend $8k/year an not "worry" about their special snowflake child being "corrupted" by the "evil" of the secular university.

Also, speaking from personal experience, PCC *bombards* homeschoolers with all kinds of recruiting info, featuring smiling faces and activities that look positively liberal to sheltered homeschooled kids. They do, after all, have sports and other student activities that could look really attractive to a kid with limited life experience. They don't mention the segregated hallways in the recruiting materials.

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