Brexit and the U.S. election

[RoseWilder]

I keep reading articles today saying that Brexit is going to negatively affect the U.S. election or Clinton because it will cause the U.S. stockmarket to crash which will look bad for President Obama and, by extension, Clinton. Am I giving the American people too much credit, because I thought it would have the opposite effect. Both Obama and Clinton thought Brexit was a bad idea and Trump thought it was a good idea. If Brexit results in the world economy tanking than shouldn't the American people draw the conclusion that Obama and Clinton konw what they're talking about when it comes to the economy and Trump would be an economic disaster?

Am I being too optimistic? What do you think?

[PraiseDog]

Yes, I think you're being too optimistic.  I bet only 10% of Americans even know that Brexit occurred, and many of those are going to believe what the mainstream media leads them to think.  If the NYSE tanks, Trump will just say that he never said the things he said, and his leghumpers will believe it.

At least (I hope!) the Americans who have actually been paying attention to Brexit are somewhat knowledgeable about world affairs and don't rely on FauxNews for their information. 

[RoseWilder]

I figured the people who are already supporting Trump wouldn't be paying any attention to Brexit. Fox News doesn't appear to even know what's going on in that regard. I guess I was just hoping the rest of the electorate was more politically informed and that maybe Clinton will be more skilled at handling this situation than some politicians would be. 

I'm also thinking back to the financial crisis of 2008. My take on the situation was that people were horrified by the unhinged, frantic way McCain responded to that. And then there was Obama being cool and collected. So far we have Trump acting like an unhinged lunatic (who can't even get his facts straight) about this.) But I could be wrong. Maybe people just thought Bush is the president and the market crashed therefore I'll vote against the Republicans. 

I've been naive about the American electorate in the past, so I'm not getting my hopes up on this one. But damn it, just once I would like common sense to prevail. 

[Cleopatra7]

I don't think the Brexit will affect the US election per se, simply because most Americans aren't paying attention to it. However, I think it does show that there is a global right-wing populist backlash of which Trump is simply the loudest and most obnoxious iteration. The same motivations that lead to the Brexit victory can be seen in the Trump campaign.

[sparkles]

I think one thing that's in our favor is that Trump hardly knows what Brexit, because he's got golf courses to visit and all , so it may be barely a blip on the radar to his supporters. 

I've heard the Brexit vote referred to as the Trumpification of the UK and on behalf of my country, I apologize for inflicting him on the world. 

[PraiseDog]

1 hour ago, sparkles said:

I think one thing that's in our favor is that Trump hardly knows what Brexit, because he's got golf courses to visit and all , so it may be barely a blip on the radar to his supporters. 

I've heard the Brexit vote referred to as the Trumpification of the UK and on behalf of my country, I apologize for inflicting him on the world. 

I'm so sorry for your country.  And please forgive us for accidentally inflicting such an ass upon your great country.

[ADoyle90815]

Speaking of Faux Noise, they first said that the UK voted to leave the UN before correcting themselves. Anyway, we in the US are sorry for inflicting Drumph on the world, and influencing the UK vote. A good meme going around Facebook today says, "Britain can colonize half the world, yet vote to leave the EU because they don't like immigrants."

[louisa05]

This could impact the U.S. election if it causes a global recession that impacts our economy. Typically, in times of economic uncertainty, the challenging party wins the White House. 

It won't matter what Trump says or does or knows about the Brexit or the economy itself. 

[sophie10130]

19 hours ago, louisa05 said:

This could impact the U.S. election if it causes a global recession that impacts our economy. Typically, in times of economic uncertainty, the challenging party wins the White House. 

It won't matter what Trump says or does or knows about the Brexit or the economy itself. 

Yeah, since when has he won over his supporters using facts?

He'll spin this the same way he spins everything else. With absolutely nothing to back it up and saying absolutely nothing of worth.

"And Great Britain made a decision. And it was a big decision. A bold decision. That had large reaching effects across the globe. They voted to take back their borders. And we will too. I will make America Great Again." blahblahblah build a wall yadda yadda Illegals stealing our jobs and so on.

[CoveredInBees]

I have to say, I particularly enjoyed Trump saying Brexit was a great thing after landing in Scotland......... who has categorically voted to remain.

Class act.

I can only hope that the US will look at the UK and take notice what happens when you follow a buffoon with weird hair.

 

P.S. Boris is actually an evil genius.  

 

 

[Kleine Vampirin]

On 25/06/2016 at 8:22 PM, CoveredInBees said:

I have to say, I particularly enjoyed Trump saying Brexit was a great thing after landing in Scotland......... who has categorically voted to remain.

Class act.

I can only hope that the US will look at the UK and take notice what happens when you follow a buffoon with weird hair.

 

P.S. Boris is actually an evil genius.  

 

 

Let's not pass up on the opportunity to hear some of the Tweets read out in a Scottish accent (around 4 minutes in):

 

[PraiseDog]

On 6/24/2016 at 6:26 AM, Cleopatra7 said:

I don't think the Brexit will affect the US election per se, simply because most Americans aren't paying attention to it. However, I think it does show that there is a global right-wing populist backlash of which Trump is simply the loudest and most obnoxious iteration. The same motivations that lead to the Brexit victory can be seen in the Trump campaign.

Absolutely!  Last night I was listening to a BBC interview with former Polish Foreign Minister Sikorski (sp?) who started to bring this up, and the interviewer (the "Hard Talk" guy, don't remember his name) just Shut. That-kind-of-talk. Down. ("let's not go there, let's keep the discussion to Europe.")

My opinion is, this is precisely the point!  Does nobody remember the 1930s??  Are we doomed to repeat ourselves?? (everybody knows that saying, let's start believing in it.)  This whole right-wing, populist, and let's call it what it is - xenophobic trend is existentially scaring me.

Most likely Brexit won't directly affect the US election, but I can't help but believe that the results of the US election will definitely affect Brexit, in particular all the negotiations that have to take place in the next two years to define just what sort of ties Britain will have with Europe, whether Scotland can negotiate their own status in the EU without separating from Britain, etc. etc.  With no Trump, Brexit could potentially end up just a stressful but ultimately civil renegotiation of economic terms (which Britain will end up regretting in my opinion, but whatever) but if Trump is around to stir the turd, it could end up as WWII redux, with more countries who have nukes.

[PraiseDog]

JenniferJuniper said this in the Donald thread:

"The Donald is all about profit.  He ran for president so he could sell more of his products and books and advertise his properties (just like he did on Brexit day in Scotland as the prime minister was announcing his exit and the pound and world stock markets were beginning to crash).   When he started to run for president, he was probably thinking of becoming a media mogul by using all that free exposure time to create an audience for it. 

He likely never expected to make it to this point.  He knows nothing about any government, including the US, has no clue about world affairs and doesn't know a thing about history.  He is, however, a master manipulator who has clearly had considerable success this cycle manipulating that element who love his racist, sexist, xenophobic posturing."

Call me paranoid, but I believe it's possible that the Donald would like to be a War Profiteer.  His golf courses, casinos, and TRUMP!!! brand haven't really been cutting it, and he sees how much Cheney's Halliburton, Blackwater and all its other iterations can profit from wars and prisons, so he stirs the turd in politics to get in on some of this action.

 

(and, going directly to the Tech Questions thread to ask how to drag a quote from one thread to another, while tagging the writer.)