45 Things I learned at the Creation Museum

[twin2]

One of my "favorite" posts by Sarah describing a trip they took to Carlsbad Cavrens:

We arrived at the park around 8 a.m., so the guys could see if they could get signed up for the tour (and they were able to go!). It was a wonderful day at the Caverns. Our Lord’s creation is amazing! Although we heard quite often “millions and millions of years ago,†we smiled between ourselves because we knew that wasn’t true.

Apparently good manners and humility are not thought in the the Bible.

Steve is such an arrogant nit wit.

[formergothardite]

Maxwell's trip to the creation museum:

blog.titus2.com/2007/10/04/men-of-vision-creation-science-museum/

Yep, eyes were covered (and *shock* tickets were given to them).

I remember some other "educational" video Steve bought for his kids that he also made them cover their eyes or fast forwarded through. Can't remember what.

In this video, Jesus is clearly presented as the Perfect Sacrifice, but it was too graphic for us, and so we just closed our eyes for a little while.

:roll: I'm not surprised the skipped the dragon video sounds like too much f*n for the Maxwell family.

From the comments:

My understanding was that the Men in White was a take-off of some popular movie. That was not consistent with our heart’s direction for the family.

There also was a graffiti section in the museum that we walked through without stopping.

[thoughtful]

[Bookworm]

Ok, so I figured out that marsupials were buried first because of their ability to nurse while on the move. So they migrated faster than other animals (key: AFTER the flood) and that's why they were the earliest ones discovered in the fossil record.

Placental animals "nurse" (nourish) their young in the womb through the placenta (as opposed to egg laying creatures which lay eggs and leave). They spread out all over, but slower than marsupials.

The jealous wife complains about her husband, pastors wife, etc. She is a sinner.

I think you are correct that they confused nurse and gestate, argh. Such confusing phraseology! Besides, what I was told was that most fossils were buried DURING the Flood, not AFTER, so the speed at which animals repopulated after the Flood would have no bearing on it.

I think the wife being jealous of the pastor refers to Jezebel women who want to be allowed to teach God's word (the hussies!) and don't like being told to be quiet and just take care of babies forever and ever.

[formergothardite]

If you read the little sign the wife is complaining about her husband, her pastor's wife, and others. She is an envious, backstabbing, disrespectful, bad mother. And the brothers aren't watching porn with each other. One brother is on a killing spree with a video game the other is watching porn while doing drugs. Again, not something I would want to explain to small children. .

[twin2]

If you read the little sign the wife is complaining about her husband, her pastor's wife, and others. She is an envious, backstabbing, disrespectful, bad mother. And the brothers aren't watching porn with each other. One brother is on a killing spree with a video game the other is watching porn while doing drugs. Again, not something I would want to explain to small children. .

What the hell does this have to do with creation?

[Rescinded and Mended]

What the hell does this have to do with creation?

Not a damn thing, from where I'm sitting. Not only is #39 badly worded, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. :lol:

[formergothardite]

What the hell does this have to do with creation?

After Adam sinned we all became bad and without God we will sit around watching porn while doing drugs out of a large bag. It doesn't really relate to the creation story but much like Ken's debate methods, the Creation Museum seems to be one giant altar call. An altar call with dragons, drugs, and dinosaurs, but still a "if you died tonight do you know where you are going?" altar call.

[ILoveJellybeans]

Sooooooo its bad for kids to watch TV as they might see a gay couple, hear music with inappropriate lyrics about drugs or be exposed to non fundie views, but its okay for them to go to the Creation Museum and see a picture of some guy's drug fuelled wank fest (with his brother in the room???).

[twin2]

If they are sooooooooo worried about the violence and sex kids encounter in video games, I highly suggest they not allow their kids to read the Old Testament. IIRC, there is a whole lot of killing, raping, pillaging and adulterating going on in there....

[FloraDoraDolly]

The screeching teacher from the video in #3 reminded me of Sarah Palin.

[Rescinded and Mended]

If they are sooooooooo worried about the violence and sex kids encounter in video games, I highly suggest they not allow their kids to read the Old Testament. IIRC, there is a whole lot of killing, raping, pillaging and adulterating going on in there....

Strongly seconded. I have a good friend who is nowhere near fundie, but every time I ask her why such-and-such violent, hurtful act in the Bible is taught in the church, she always tells me that I should pay it no mind because "it's the Old Testament, and we can't go by it, we should only follow the New Testament."

I spent four years in Catholic school and and in a variety of other denominations, and to this day I am not clear on

the reasoning behind this. If so much of the Old Testament is reprehensible and offensive to modern belief systems regarding human rights, then I have to wonder why it is even given consideration in the church at all in this day and age. Why not just start with everything in the New Testament and go from there?

[August]

Wait, so the implication here is that I, as a wife, would be jealous if a pastor or a pair of brothers chose to watch porn? Why would I care?

Or perhaps my jealousy as a wife simply stems from the fact that the pastor and brothers possess better-quality (hypothetical) porn than I do. :lol:

Edited for clarity.

Can the Harvard/Oxford comma save us from sin?

An altar call with dragons, drugs, and dinosaurs, but still a "if you died tonight do you know where you are going?" altar call.

I'm guessing it's a trick question - it's not the morgue?

[twin2]

Strongly seconded. I have a good friend who is nowhere near fundie, but every time I ask her why such-and-such violent, hurtful act in the Bible is taught in the church, she always tells me that I should pay it no mind because "it's the Old Testament, and we can't go by it, we should only follow the New Testament."

I spent four years in Catholic school and and in a variety of other denominations, and to this day I am not clear on

the reasoning behind this. If so much of the Old Testament is reprehensible and offensive to modern belief systems regarding human rights, then I have to wonder why it is even given consideration in the church at all in this day and age. Why not just start with everything in the New Testament and go from there?

Unless it comes to hating the gays, then we need to bring the OT in as the JC was silent on the subject.

[Trynn]

Wait a second... there is a display of young children watching porn at the creation museum? How do we know it's pron unless we see the images.... wait... there is PORN at the creation museum? Where do I buy the tickets?

(I'm not into porn, actually, it just sounded like a funny thing to say.)

[formergothardite]

Wait a second... there is a display of young children watching porn at the creation museum? How do we know it's pron unless we see the images.... wait... there is PORN at the creation museum? Where do I buy the tickets?

(I'm not into porn, actually, it just sounded like a funny thing to say.)

No there is a display FOR young children of a guy watching porn with a large bag of drugs. There appears to be a whole video about it along with a little sign telling the kids that the guy is watching internet porn with a large bag of drugs. That is some family fun right there. :cray-cray:

I don't think it was the graffiti that the Maxwells were trying to avoid when they walked quickly through that section. :lol:

[Trynn]

No there is a display FOR young children of a guy watching porn with a large bag of drugs. There appears to be a whole video about it along with a little sign telling the kids that the guy is watching internet porn with a large bag of drugs. That is some family fun right there. :cray-cray:

I don't think it was the graffiti that the Maxwells were trying to avoid when they walked quickly through that section. :lol:

You're joking, right?

[docmom]

Ok, so I figured out that marsupials were buried first because of their ability to nurse while on the move. So they migrated faster than other animals (key: AFTER the flood) and that's why they were the earliest ones discovered in the fossil record.

Placental animals "nurse" (nourish) their young in the womb through the placenta (as opposed to egg laying creatures which lay eggs and leave). They spread out all over, but slower than marsupials.

The jealous wife complains about her husband, pastors wife, etc. She is a sinner.

Nah, still doesn't work for me. The fundies teach that fossils were created by the flood. The ability of marsupials to move faster than placentals (dubious at best) would have no bearing on where they were deposited after being drowned in the flood. If we're talking post-flood fossils/depositions, if marsupials were faster and reached all parts of the earth first, why are they not predominant today everywhere but the Australian continent? I guess they must have been "out-competed" by the placentals which sounds a lot like natural selection at work does it not???

[formergothardite]

You're joking, right?

I wish I was. They have a display with a seven minuite video where a boy is going on a killing spree in a video game while his older brother is looking at internet porn and has a bag of drugs. They have a sign telling people(and any children who can read) that the brother is watching porn. My godless self wouldn't take my kids to a museum where I could end up with a discussion on porn.

[yewnique]

What the hell does this have to do with creation?

To Ken Ham and his ilk, many of the world's problems can be traced back to a 'belief in evolution'. If people believed in Biblical Creation, then many of society's ills would be eliminated. Heck, since many of today's churches have compromised godly values and adopted worldly values, even the church is not safe from 'evolutionary thinking'.

[docmom]

To Ken Ham and his ilk, many of the world's problems can be traced back to a 'belief in evolution'. If people believed in Biblical Creation, then many of society's ills would be eliminated. Heck, since many of today's churches have compromised godly values and adopted worldly values, even the church is not safe from 'evolutionary thinking'.

Because, obviously, before Darwin there were absolutely no problems with the world. None at all. Nope, everything was amazingly good.

[BoomerLynn]

I wish I was. They have a display with a seven minuite video where a boy is going on a killing spree in a video game while his older brother is looking at internet porn and has a bag of drugs. They have a sign telling people(and any children who can read) that the brother is watching porn. My godless self wouldn't take my kids to a museum where I could end up with a discussion on porn.

These are the people that are offended by a commercial where a child has two dads (or two moms, etc), go on and on about purity and protecting their children, yet they will take their kids to a museum where there is a very real possibility of one of their very young children asking what porn is? :pink-shock: I just can't with these people.

[Alice_Fraggle]

Nah, still doesn't work for me. The fundies teach that fossils were created by the flood. The ability of marsupials to move faster than placentals (dubious at best) would have no bearing on where they were deposited after being drowned in the flood. If we're talking post-flood fossils/depositions, if marsupials were faster and reached all parts of the earth first, why are they not predominant today everywhere but the Australian continent? I guess they must have been "out-competed" by the placentals which sounds a lot like natural selection at work does it not???

I think you're over thinking things here, and by "over thinking" I mean "thinking". :wink-kitty:

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

Strongly seconded. I have a good friend who is nowhere near fundie, but every time I ask her why such-and-such violent, hurtful act in the Bible is taught in the church, she always tells me that I should pay it no mind because "it's the Old Testament, and we can't go by it, we should only follow the New Testament."

I spent four years in Catholic school and and in a variety of other denominations, and to this day I am not clear on

the reasoning behind this. If so much of the Old Testament is reprehensible and offensive to modern belief systems regarding human rights, then I have to wonder why it is even given consideration in the church at all in this day and age. Why not just start with everything in the New Testament and go from there?

I take it that your friend happily skipped over the Sermon on the Mount?

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

(Matthew 5: 17-20)

[Evilbad]

No there is a display FOR young children of a guy watching porn with a large bag of drugs. There appears to be a whole video about it along with a little sign telling the kids that the guy is watching internet porn with a large bag of drugs. That is some family fun right there. :cray-cray:

I don't think it was the graffiti that the Maxwells were trying to avoid when they walked quickly through that section. :lol:

You know what? I'd pull a Maxwell and avoid that too. My kid doesn't need to see that shit, it's stupid and wrong. FFS.