"there should be more people like this in society"

[Deleted05]

Completely off topic, but caito, I love your avatar.

[caito]

Completely off topic, but caito, I love your avatar.

Omg thank you :D It's actually a gif. (is it okay to post gifs?)

[NurseNell]

No woman would every go to college. There'd be no women teachers.....oops, don't need them because everyone home schools. The only midwives would be lay midwives, every woman would deliver at home so the infant and maternal mortality would increase tenfold. No immunizations so more children would die. No need for law enforcement because everyone would be law abiding.......well, most of the time. No need for libraries because the only book anyone needs is the KJV Bible. I can't go on, I'm getting sick.

[slickcat79]

Omg thank you :D It's actually a gif. (is it okay to post gifs?)

Yes. But you can't have them as avatars :)

[NoQuiverNoCry]

This!

Seriously, if everyone were like them, women would not have the vote, stoning would be a legitimate and legal way of dealing with teen pregnancy, and everyone would still believe that the sun revolves around the Earth. Michelle would have died in her second pregnancy for lack of skilled medical care. Josh would have no job because auto would never have been invented. Jim Bob would be toiling in the fields because there are no cell phones or minimarts. And of course the show would not exist.

The fundie relationship with modernity is interesting to me. They want to take all the benefits without ever giving anything back. They are damn leeches, and NO we cannot support a society where everyone is like them.

This is my main problem with the Duggars (and fundies, generally): they claim entitlement to all the benefits of non-fundie life--like the availability of quality healthcare, sufficient food & clean water, community & national protection by police & military, and a court system to ensure their constitutional rights--all while abstaining from most of the responsibilities that go along with receiving these things. As for the world needing more people like this? I've never heard of any community--large or small--being improved by the addition of dead wood.

[gardenvarietycitizen]

The fundie relationship with modernity is interesting to me. They want to take all the benefits without ever giving anything back. They are damn leeches, and NO we cannot support a society where everyone is like them.

Indeed - this is true of all kinds of fundies, they can't actually live their current style of life without utterly depending on secular people, and yet it's interesting how so often they (and various secular admirers who often aren't looking at them very hard, quite frankly) will gush on with admiration for just how supposedly self-sufficient they are, self-made men and all that.

Any group that limits their kids' education (and that includes people who encourage education but limit it to religious study) is not self-sufficient in 2012.

But point that out to people and it's as if you've shattered some dream.

[desertvixen]

Indeed - this is true of all kinds of fundies, they can't actually live their current style of life without utterly depending on secular people, and yet it's interesting how so often they (and various secular admirers who often aren't looking at them very hard, quite frankly) will gush on with admiration for just how supposedly self-sufficient they are, self-made men and all that.

Any group that limits their kids' education (and that includes people who encourage education but limit it to religious study) is not self-sufficient in 2012.

But point that out to people and it's as if you've shattered some dream.

QFT. They depend on secular people, they just judge us.

[FloraDoraDolly]

The only way to know what these Duggar fans are thinking is to ask them what exactly they find so appealing about this family. Based on the comments I've read online, it seems that these fans see the Duggars as a real-life, 21st century version of the Waltons. They don't seem to think deeply about the more troublesome aspects such as the rigid gender roles, the Gothard cult teachings, or the lack of educational and career opporunities. They just turn on the TV and see this smiling Christian couple with their nice kids who are sometimes rambunctious but who do their chores, speak respectfully to their parents, never fight with their siblings, and don't wear clothing that shows off their underpants. The episodes center around the family helping each other with some job around the house, or else everybody goes on a trip. Anything unpleasant is edited out, and the fans like it that way. It's as escapist as an MGM musical.

[Deleted07]

Why would you think The Duggars were the 'Perfect Family', especially when half of the time, Dairy Queen is about as coherent as a dementia patient.

If most of the these people who want to be like fundies read the bible as they said they do, they would know that no one is perfect.

:lol: Bolded rocks, so freaking true! :mrgreen:

[marmalade]

This.

Agreed. My husband, with no prompting, walked through the room and his response to seeing the Duggars (he sat down and watched a few minutes) was, "These people are fucking whack jobs." When I told him they were pretending to be mainstream Christians, like he is (well, liberal Christian, but raised straight down the middle Lutheran), he replied that they weren't like any Christians he knew.

Even in my parents' fundie-lite/midstream fundie Dutch Reformed church - where I encountered the vulture that is Harold Camping in high school - the families may have been larger than normal, but they all attended public school; heck, I was good friends with many of them years before my parents joined the cnurch and I was no angel (but played the game when I had to). My BS meter went off with these people from the first time I saw them, knowing absolutely nothing about Gothard or Quiverfull.

[Deleted07]

our friend Linda, from the 19KAC wall, is saying this in response to my initial statement:

Around here its kids shooting people, people holding up stores cause they can't find work and alot of public schools that are doing very little to help our youth. So yes I agree with originator of this thread...we need more people who live like the Duggars, who live according to GOD's word. I trip on it daily. Especially on this blog site.. but thankfully I am not here for the negativity but rather for praise and admiration of my Lord and Savior and a blessed Christian family.

So according to her and her leghumping friends, if suddenly everyone were like the Duggars there would be lots of work, and money and education with no troubled youth!

They seriously cannot see that this way of living promotes inequality, lack of self control, people who are woefully uneducated and have a caveman view of society that infact judges and shames anyone who is different. That is NOT what Jesus taught from my studies!

I pointed out to her that her and her friends are doing nothing to actually help the world and the problems she mentioned and are infact contributing to the problems, flaws and negativity they pointed out. So now I've been told I am being mean and patronizing by pointing out those facts ;-) lol. Got to love fundie-logic.

[MrsYoungie]

Just let my mind go on the thought of a Duggar society. If everyone were like the Duggars:

No doctors or nurses (just uncertified midwives and a few first aiders)

No scientists

No proper entertainment (screechy violins and bad blood songs are not entertaining)

No social safety net

No government workers = no passport office, no fire department, no military

No medicare

Hmmm. What else? Those are just off the top of my head.

[ILoveJellybeans]

Everyone used to be like the Duggars. Society evolved, now theres a better way to live.

[Irishy]

No our country does NOT need more people like the Duggar Family. I can't but think that people from other countries think this is how all of America is like.

Not so! We had 156 episodes of the West Wing and lots of Carrie Bradshaw to balance it all out!

[Naga Viper]

It's not like those shows either. Way more boring and mundane. And a lot less pedeconferencing. ;)

[Irishy]

It's not like those shows either. Way more boring and mundane. And a lot less pedeconferencing. ;)

No indeed. I imagine it's pretty damn similar to life in Europe.

[CanadianHippie]

What do you guys think when someone says this crap?

Can I have some of what your smoking?

[Chavymishmacoy]

I postulate that there are people who see the world exclusively in black and white with no shades of grey. Those are the folks that have one view of the world only and cannot see anyone else's.

Why do you have to bring dirty filthy PORNO novels into the discussion? *snif* ;)

[Chavymishmacoy]

Just let my mind go on the thought of a Duggar society. If everyone were like the Duggars:

No doctors or nurses (just uncertified midwives and a few first aiders)

No scientists

No proper entertainment (screechy violins and bad blood songs are not entertaining)

No social safety net

No government workers = no passport office, no fire department, no military

No medicare

Hmmm. What else? Those are just off the top of my head.

We would have a primitive society. No scientific, technological, or medical advancements. It would be another dark ages. We would probably go back to using leeches to cure fevers.

[Irishy]

No cocktails, no going out on the town, no harmless flirtation, no beautiful fashion, no FUN!

[caito]

No dancing :( I'm a shitty dancer to begin with, but I do enjoy watching people dance! That's one thing that kills me. Do they like...not even allow toddlers to dance to music? Because dancing is one of my daughter's favorite things. It would be heartbreaking if I had the "conviction" that she wasn't allowed to dance.

But then there wouldn't be Dancing With the Stars, So You Think You Can Dance, Dirty Dancing...hmmmmmmm

[lizziesmom]

Why do you have to bring dirty filthy PORNO novels into the discussion? *snif* ;)

:naughty: :lol:

[NoQuiverNoCry]

Do they like...not even allow toddlers to dance to music? Because dancing is one of my daughter's favorite things. It would be heartbreaking if I had the "conviction" that she wasn't allowed to dance.

Don't the Duggars apparently allow toddlers to dance, and explain it as them "jumping for joy"? (I'm remembering something from one of the earlier episodes, when this question came up as one of the toddler boys was dancing up a storm.) No idea when they stop allowing it, or why it's only ok for babies.

[smittykins]

There was one scene in the ep when the Duggars were buying a layette for Jordyn/Jennifer and one of the howlers was kind of bopping in place to a musical toy, and an older boy turned the toy off and said, "I thought you weren't supposed to be dancing." Followed by Jim-Bob remarking sanctimoniously, "We're careful about what kind of music we allow in our home." :roll:

[slickcat79]

Don't the Duggars apparently allow toddlers to dance, and explain it as them "jumping for joy"? (I'm remembering something from one of the earlier episodes, when this question came up as one of the toddler boys was dancing up a storm.) No idea when they stop allowing it, or why it's only ok for babies.

I think they tried to pass it off as "jumping for joy" so they could avoid calling it dancing. I think it was Jackson who was doing it, and I'd be willing to bet he was put through a serious "training" session because of it :|