Bad Comparisons-Religious And Political

[debrand]

goodrichard 101p

Do you think Steve supported a single payer healthcare system? How would he feel if the government decided everyone should have free iPhones?

I was surprsied to find Jericho's phone analogy under this article. The This one is easily defeated because not having an iphone doesn't cause a person's death. Universal health care isn't free, taxes pay for it. Health care providers still get paid. The cost is just spread out over many, instead of supported by a few.

http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/26/steve-job ... ive-force/

It might be insteresting to hear bad comparisons, either religious or political, that the rest of you have heard. The worst that I heard is the one about not buying the cow. My mother used to infuriate me with that one. If you have never heard it.

Why should a man marry a woman who is having sex with him? That is like buying a cow when you can get the milk for free. Women are not cows! Hopefully, no one marries just so that they can have sex. If the only reason that you marry your spouse is to have sex, your marriage will probably fail.

Post the ones that you've heard and why you think that they are bad.

[CanadianHippie]

Joshie comparing abortion to the Holocaust takes the cake. Well anyone comparing anything to the Holocaust, or Nazis.

Same-sex marriage and people marrying children/animals/inanimate objects/generally anything or anyone that cannot consent.

I did hear someone say that letting your child be taught by a "homosexual" is like letting your child spend an hour alone with a pedophile.

[freejoytoo]

Having sex before marriage is like buying a pair of used knickers. I think Jericho comparing iphones to healthcare takes the cake though, as does comparing poor people to stray cats.

[O Latin]

My favorite was how we should treat the Bible like a cell phone. We should never leave home without the Bible, consult it frequently throughout the day, keep it with us at all times, etc. That one got on my nerves.

[deepasducks]

Yeah, the cow thing had the opposite of its intended effect on me. I was like, wait, so if I get married, he owns me and I have to provide sex whenever he wants it? And if I don't get married I get to decide whether or not I want to have sex, every single time? In other words, for me, why let someone else own your "milk" factory if you can own it yourself?

It's not exactly a comparison, but I was struck by a point I read recently about the argument against abortion-- what if that aborted fetus was going to grow up to be president, or discover a cure for cancer? The point that I had never really thought about before was, What if the would-be mother is a teenager or college-aged woman? What if she was really "meant" to become a scientist or a political leader but instead has to quit school? What if the would-be mother already has children and wanted to focus her time and money on them? Maybe one of them was "meant" for an illustrious future.

Ultimately, those arguments are kind of moot, too, since really no one can tell the future, but it's an interesting twist on that line of rhetoric.

[0KidsAndHappy]

I had someone try to argue with me about women who work for Catholic institutions having access to contraceptives ... He said that it was comparable to dumb liberals, like myself (of course), being forced to buy a gun. I asked for him to please elaborate on that horrible analogy, but it just turned into me being a dumb elitist commie baby killer.

[Cran]

My favorite was how we should treat the Bible like a cell phone. We should never leave home without the Bible, consult it frequently throughout the day, keep it with us at all times, etc. That one got on my nerves.

Na, that's pretty accurate. Because bible thumpers are every bit as annoying to other people as those who seem glued to their cell phones, blabbing on the bus.

[debrand]

Yeah, the cow thing had the opposite of its intended effect on me. I was like, wait, so if I get married, he owns me and I have to provide sex whenever he wants it? And if I don't get married I get to decide whether or not I want to have sex, every single time? In other words, for me, why let someone else own your "milk" factory if you can own it yourself?

It's not exactly a comparison, but I was struck by a point I read recently about the argument against abortion-- what if that aborted fetus was going to grow up to be president, or discover a cure for cancer? The point that I had never really thought about before was, What if the would-be mother is a teenager or college-aged woman? What if she was really "meant" to become a scientist or a political leader but instead has to quit school? What if the would-be mother already has children and wanted to focus her time and money on them? Maybe one of them was "meant" for an illustrious future.

Ultimately, those arguments are kind of moot, too, since really no one can tell the future, but it's an interesting twist on that line of rhetoric.

What if the baby turned into a serial killer or mass murderer?

[Wolfie]

I had someone try to argue with me about women who work for Catholic institutions having access to contraceptives ... He said that it was comparable to dumb liberals, like myself (of course), being forced to buy a gun. I asked for him to please elaborate on that horrible analogy, but it just turned into me being a dumb elitist commie baby killer.

Um, yeah, because just because they have access, they have to use it? And why do they believe that all liberals are anti-gun?

[bananacat]

I hate it when people compare political correctness to some thought police or Orwellian dystopia, or even outright censorship. No, you legally have the right to use offensive terms as insults, but freedom of speech means that everyone else has the right to criticize you for it.

[JesusFightClub]

I hate it when people use stupid hyperbole too. On a Daily Mail post about homosexual couples being treated with decency (they were opposed to this, naturally) one of the commenters said "The UK is now worse than North Korea! No one gets to have an opinion if you are a Christian!"

Worse than North Korea. The UK. Are you on drugs which made you mental.

[fluttershies]

Having an abortion 'because your baby is an inconvenience' is the same as killing your 5yo because they won't stop whining. A FOETUS ISN'T ALIVE ENOUGH TO WHINE YOU PoS

[fluttershies]

Oh and that under socialism everyone is impoverished just so everyone is equal. Ummm socialism is about making sure *everyone else* has their fair share, NOT wanting to drag everyone down to your level. Funny how people completely miss the point of collectivism.

[holierthanyou]

Having sex before marriage is like buying a pair of used knickers. I think Jericho comparing iphones to healthcare takes the cake though, as does comparing poor people to stray cats.

Errr.... is the intended effect of that lovely little saying supposed to leave the listener wondering why the fuck they would want to wear used knickers/underwear *after* marrying???

[CanadianHippie]

Having sex before marriage is like buying a pair of used knickers. I think Jericho comparing iphones to healthcare takes the cake though, as does comparing poor people to stray cats.

Oh! Along those line, having sex with someone who has had sex with other people is like drinking from a glass of water a bunch of other people drank from after eating crackers... First it implies that no one knows how to drink from a glass without getting crumbs and spit in their drink, second it implies that people don't know how to have sex without getting 'crumbs' in their partner. Though I suppose if you are taught by people who use the analogy the second one might be true.

[chiccy]

I hate it when people use stupid hyperbole too. On a Daily Mail post about homosexual couples being treated with decency (they were opposed to this, naturally) one of the commenters said "The UK is now worse than North Korea! No one gets to have an opinion if you are a Christian!"

Worse than North Korea. The UK. Are you on drugs which made you mental.

I was just reading about North Korea's prison camps. It is unreal how bad things are. Think public executions of children, think kids fighting over a kernel of undigested corn in a pile of cow dung because it's all they can find to eat. This stuff is happening today, as we speak.

There is no excuse to say something like "The UK is now worse than North Korea." Not for any reason. That transcends ignorance: it is evil.

[Guest Anonymous]

Every comparison these fundies and their followers make are bad. I have yet to see one that made any sense.

[doggie]

worn pans have all the hard lines softened and they are comfy right away. well that assumes they are washed but that's a given.

[Jezebel]

When I was younger, my (extremely judgmental and appearance-obsessed) grandmother used that "Why buy the cow?" line on me. My response was, "Why buy the entire pig when all I want is some sausage?" She gave up on me after that.

The comparisons of sexually-active young women to a used piece of chewing gum, or to a perfect, shiny apple that's already had a bite taken out of it, make me want to smack the people who use them.

[CanadianHippie]

worn pans have all the hard lines softened and they are comfy right away. well that assumes they are washed but that's a given.

Knickers are underwear. It's not worn pants, it's worn panties. Worn by someone else.

[CanadianHippie]

The comparisons of sexually-active young women to a used piece of chewing gum, or to a perfect, shiny apple that's already had a bite taken out of it, make me want to smack the people who use them.

How about a piece of tape that has been stuck on so many things it will no longer stick to anything. You know, like how if you fall in love/have sex before you meet "The One" when said One comes you won't be able to love them and the relationship will surely fail.

[doggie]

Knickers are underwear. It's not worn pants, it's worn panties. Worn by someone else.

well yes but if they are clean they are fine. Just like a non virgin if they are clean they are fine soft and ready to go. it is only the idea that bothers people.

[Elle]

Hopefully, no one marries just so that they can have sex. If the only reason that you marry your spouse is to have sex, your marriage will probably fail.

I bet most fundies marry for the sex.

[CanadianHippie]

well yes but if they are clean they are fine. Just like a non virgin if they are clean they are fine soft and ready to go. it is only the idea that bothers people.

Really? Well I wouldn't, bacteria and yeast (especially yeast) are not always done away with just because somethings been washed. No way in hell I'd wear another woman's panties, even if they've been through the wash. It's not worth the risk.

Sex on the other hand, is nothing like used underwear.

[JesusFightClub]

I was just reading about North Korea's prison camps. It is unreal how bad things are. Think public executions of children, think kids fighting over a kernel of undigested corn in a pile of cow dung because it's all they can find to eat. This stuff is happening today, as we speak.

There is no excuse to say something like "The UK is now worse than North Korea." Not for any reason. That transcends ignorance: it is evil.

It is certainly outrageously stupid.

I always want to take all of these daft bastards who say things like that (generally white, "middle class" First World men) and make them read the material you describe then write a twelve page essay on exactly how the UK is like North Korea again?

It's especially annoying because in one of the big cases of "Homosexuals rule the UK and it's just like North Korea* and no one gets to speak out against their dreadful tyranny!" which went international, I was in a position to know the true facts of the case and it was nothing like the media version. Kindly straight Christians being persecuted by evil homos? Um, not.

*And considering NK is essentially Stalinist and homosexuality is not a good plan over there, this makes even less sense.