Fundie Royalty

[Kitty]

LOL!! I think that one has an error!

(I know this is sort of getting off-track now...but the whole reason I joined FJ in the first place was because my mom thinks all you all talk about all day is her forum. LOL)

I think I've seen it mentioned exactly one other time and I've been around since at least mid-July.

Also, I shit you not:

[emmiedahl]

I used to belong to MOMYS back in the day. It had some definite crazy going on.

On the other hand, some of these women are really organized and have fun, frugal craft ideas. Those things keep me coming back. I might join CMOMB if they let teh eebil Jews in.

btw, I saw that Viagra thing when I googled it. LOL :lol:

[raineymott]

Who was MOMYS run by again?

[emmiedahl]

I do not even remember. This was the early 2000s. At one point they placed a gag order on talking about spanking because someone had called CPS on a few of the more extreme members. :whistle:

[raineymott]

No shit >_> Lol

[NurseNell]

I just looked at the site, and found a recipe for laundry soap. I'm going to try it. I'm all about frugal, and green helps.

[Prek teach]

here is the Neely Team which is linked to the Wilkes Team that's linked to the Stezls and the Staddons which is linked to thejohnsonteamva which links to the Hynes family who links to the Girottis et al. This entire "team" approach can be found all along the Rt 29 cooridor from Northern VA to southern VA/NC border. These families are the FEW attendants in this area. The Wilkes are clearly Culpepper Co. That much I got from a posting on the Neely Team site. The rest are S or SW VA. Except for the poor Johnson team who exhibit their pilgrimage for christ site with such graphics akin to velvet paintings for Jesus. Over. The. Top. Damn, they try sooooo hard, but are only on the cusp.

[emmiedahl]

wtf was that supposed to mean?

[wildflower]

I think Prek teach is talking about a group of families in Central VA/NC area who are friends of the Staddons who like to refer to themselves as "Teams" e.g. the Neely Team, the Johnson Team, the Wilkes Team etc. They are all friends with each other and the Hynes family and the Girottis. The Hynes family (hynesva.com) lists every one in the circle and all the Vision Forum royalty.

[emmiedahl]

Oh, cool. I thought it was some weird spam and I was really confused. My bad!

[Prek teach]

Sorry about the confusion. Just wanted to lay out the multi-family "teams" for Gothard available in my area:)

[luckylassie]

I just saw a sign in one of these specialty gift catalogs that reads "Jesus Loves You, But I'm His Favorite". I bet fundie royalty feel like this sign all the time. I don't know exactly the hierarchy in their world but the Duggars are pretty high on the chain, however, I do remember one comment (maybe not on this board) that stated how some fundies may find them to be too worldly now because of their show.

[Sola]

I think it depends on what you consider to be royalty. There's a lot of snobbery in the well known fundies and many of them would wait for hell to freeze over before they considered marrying into certain fundie families.

Look at the Pearls for instance. All the fundie royalty read their books and follow their child rearing methods, but do you think that Dougie for example would ever allow one of his kids to marry a Pearl kid?

Then there is the ATI vs VF crowd. There is some overlap there, but ATF is more regimented than VF, but they tolerate each other.

The Duggars are the fundie upper middle classes*, minor aristocracy type of thing. But they are the 'new money' type of minor aristocracy. Not accepted fully by the royalty, but tolerated due to their fame. The royalty will give a superficial veneer of friendship and acceptance, even try to give the impression that they look up to them. The average fundie would kill to marry into the Duggars, but I doubt that Dougie would be very happy if one of his kids wanted to marry a Duggar kid.

* middle classes; UK definition not US definition

[persuas1ve]

Yeah I definitely see the Duggars as the nouveau riche of the fundie world.

[MamaJunebug]

Hi, Sola! - not to threadjack, but could you expand a little on this:

* middle classes; UK definition not US definition

I'm curious about the differences, have heard about them but never had the chance to hear it from somebody who actually knows. TIA!

[Triplet3]

The Duggars are the fundie upper middle classes*, minor aristocracy type of thing. But they are the 'new money' type of minor aristocracy. Not accepted fully by the royalty, but tolerated due to their fame. The royalty will give a superficial veneer of friendship and acceptance, even try to give the impression that they look up to them.

* middle classes; UK definition not US definition

Surely if they are minor aristocracy then they're fundie upper class, if your UK class system comparison holds true. The point of the aristocracy (hereditary peers and landed gentry) is that they form the highest social class under the monarch, so it is automatically upper class. The Duggars are either minor aristocracy and therefore already upper class (but near the bottom of the class's hierarchy and trying to be accepted by the higher levels), or they are nouveau riche members of the upper middle class trying to be accepted into the bottom of the upper class.

[fluttershies]

Hi, Sola! - not to threadjack, but could you expand a little on this:

I'm curious about the differences, have heard about them but never had the chance to hear it from somebody who actually knows. TIA!

Hope Sola doesn't mind me stepping in, but over here the middle classes (though there are levels to each class) are generally professionals/skilled workers. For instance, my dad is a safety officer in a managerial position, and my mum is a science lab technician, so they are both middle class. Teaching, medicine, law etc are all classic middle class professions, as is being a member of the clergy in an established (Anglican/Catholic/Presbyterian/Methodist etc) church. Common working class jobs (and generally the difference between the two classes is whether you have a job or a career) are working in call centres, supermarkets etc.

Also there is a big difference between being 'landed' in your class ie getting there via work and being born into it. The Duggars are definitely nouveau riche.

[fluttershies]

Surely if they are minor aristocracy then they're fundie upper class, if your UK class system comparison holds true. The point of the aristocracy (hereditary peers and landed gentry) is that they form the highest social class under the monarch, so it is automatically upper class. The Duggars are either minor aristocracy and therefore already upper class (but near the bottom of the class's hierarchy and trying to be accepted by the higher levels), or they are nouveau riche members of the upper middle class trying to be accepted into the bottom of the upper class.

Aristocracy means you have a title eg Lord, Earl etc. For example, Kate Middleton's parents are considered upper middle class.

[Triplet3]

Aristocracy means you have a title eg Lord, Earl etc.

Not necessarily. Technically life peers are not considered to be in the aristocracy, unless they were already part of an aristocratic family before they were given the life peerage. The aristocracy consists of hereditary peers and their families, and armigerous gentry (ie. those who have coats of arms).

For example, Kate Middleton's parents are considered upper middle class.

Yes, her parents are upper middle class. They are not aristocracy, at any rate. I don't know if there's a bit of a blurred line between the bottom of the upper class and the upper middle class these days.

[Triplet3]

Hope Sola doesn't mind me stepping in, but over here the middle classes (though there are levels to each class) are generally professionals/skilled workers. For instance, my dad is a safety officer in a managerial position, and my mum is a science lab technician, so they are both middle class. Teaching, medicine, law etc are all classic middle class professions, as is being a member of the clergy in an established (Anglican/Catholic/Presbyterian/Methodist etc) church. Common working class jobs (and generally the difference between the two classes is whether you have a job or a career) are working in call centres, supermarkets etc.

Also there is a big difference between being 'landed' in your class ie getting there via work and being born into it. The Duggars are definitely nouveau riche.

I know it's wikipedia, but this does seem to be a pretty good summary of the UK social structure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_structure_of_the_United_Kingdom

[Sola]

Hi, Sola! - not to threadjack, but could you expand a little on this:

I'm curious about the differences, have heard about them but never had the chance to hear it from somebody who actually knows. TIA!

Well class in the USA seems to be more about income level and possibly education level than anything else. Class in the UK is more related to birth, ie: you were born into a middle/working class family and that is where you will stay no matter how much you earn. At the turn of 19th/20th century there was some serious snobbery among the upper classes with regard to the nouveau riche. It didn't matter how rich you became, how big or grand you built your house, which school you sent your children to, if you were new money you stayed new money and you would never be considered to be upper class by the upper class.

[Knight of Ni]

I just googled CMOB one of the links for the main page result was Why do I have all these kids? Underneath was an advertisement for purchasing Cialis online :mrgreen:

[MamaJunebug]

Thanks to all for the info on the differences between US & UK "class" systems! I especially enjoy the wiki info for the insights into various types of spoken English!!

I'm with whoever says we need to speak less of the dominionistic world as "royal/commoner" and more as "A-list, B- ... D-list."

It's pretty funny to think of people getting all breathless about meeting Michelle Duggar, or Beall Philips. Then again, they'd laugh at me for getting weak-kneed at meeting a certain operatic soprano (not Tony). ;)