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Bill Gothard, God, and sexual molestation

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SledCat

Wow. And, Gothard is slamming the board, too:

The lawsuit filed Wednesday, a copy of which lawyers provided to The Washington Post, includes an affidavit signed by Gothard saying IBLP’s board has not contacted him for information or for assistance and has not met with the women or their attorneys. Gothard said in the affidavit that the board is “handling the case unwisely as I have the information they need. This is a shameful waste of donors money.”

“I assume that the IBLP Board thought that the plaintiffs and their counsel were bluffing and that they would not sue,” Gothard wrote. “Obviously that is not the case.”

Gosh, some of the victims were minors, and he allegedly preyed on some very troubled, previously abused young women. :sad:

 

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Cleopatra7

I hope that Gothard will have to pay in some way for what he's done, not just to the women and girls he assaulted/harassed personally, but for all the families he ruined with his poisonous teachings, but with our capricious legal system, who knows. I liked how the article noted his connection to the Duggars, as well as the fact that supposedly "mainstream conservatives" are associated with him.

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47of74
40 minutes ago, Cleopatra7 said:

I hope that Gothard will have to pay in some way for what he's done, not just to the women and girls he assaulted/harassed personally, but for all the families he ruined with his poisonous teachings, but with our capricious legal system, who knows. I liked how the article noted his connection to the Duggars, as well as the fact that supposedly "mainstream conservatives" are associated with him.

Yep, found a supposed "mainstream" conservative who was associated with Gothard.

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Seriously Fuckabee is really starting to wear out his welcome with me, and for that matter so are all the GOP candidates running around Iowa.  It just boils my water that they fight over Iowans like prizes to be awarded to the victor. 

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Anonymousguest

I have a hard time believing he raped with actual intercourse. I'm not sure why exactly and I hate the whole idea of disbelieving someone when they say they have been raped, and she likely was, I just don't believe Gothard did it. 

I also disagree with the notion that main stream Christian conservatives are associated with Gothard. In fact I would even use Gothard/ATI as a litmus test for "main stream" vs "fundamentalism"'.at least in the conservative Christian homeschooling circles I've traveled in. I think that Huckabee intentionally chose to buddy up with Gothard to prove just how conservative he is. 

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iknowright
21 minutes ago, Anonymousguest said:

I have a hard time believing he raped with actual intercourse. I'm not sure why exactly and I hate the whole idea of disbelieving someone when they say they have been raped, and she likely was, I just don't believe Gothard did it. 

I also disagree with the notion that main stream Christian conservatives are associated with Gothard. In fact I would even use Gothard/ATI as a litmus test for "main stream" vs "fundamentalism"'.at least in the conservative Christian homeschooling circles I've traveled in. I think that Huckabee intentionally chose to buddy up with Gothard to prove just how conservative he is. 

Since I have quite a bit of Gothardites in the past, I don't think Huckabee warmed up to Gothard...I think the opposite...Gothard sought out Huckabee.  That is what Gothardites do...they seek out the mainstream, hide the weirdness, show the shiny wrapper, and win people over who don't really know any better.  Gothard is a specialist in training his followers to do this and they do it very, very well.  

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OodOnTheLoo
18 minutes ago, Anonymousguest said:

I have a hard time believing he raped with actual intercourse. I'm not sure why exactly and I hate the whole idea of disbelieving someone when they say they have been raped, and she likely was, I just don't believe Gothard did it. 

I also disagree with the notion that main stream Christian conservatives are associated with Gothard. In fact I would even use Gothard/ATI as a litmus test for "main stream" vs "fundamentalism"'.at least in the conservative Christian homeschooling circles I've traveled in. I think that Huckabee intentionally chose to buddy up with Gothard to prove just how conservative he is. 

I can see him finding out the girl has already been spoiled and force her into sex as a way of really demanding she obey authority.  It's not like her Dad will do anything if he finds out.  I can see him blaming her for all of it and thinking it's okay to punish this slut.  

Im glad this is seeing sunlight and I hope the truth comes out.  Die Patriarchy, die!

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notfundy

Of course none of this is a surprise to us here. I'm pleased also that the media is picking up the connection with the Duggars.

But it's the Bates who have the closer connection to Gothard right now, with Gil on the board....too bad the Bates aren't that well known in the mainstream media.

Anyway I hope this lawsuit brings down this awful organization once and for all. So awful.... The way they treat their "precious" young woman.

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16strong
1 hour ago, Anonymousguest said:

I have a hard time believing he raped with actual intercourse. I'm not sure why exactly and I hate the whole idea of disbelieving someone when they say they have been raped, and she likely was, I just don't believe Gothard did it. 

I also disagree with the notion that main stream Christian conservatives are associated with Gothard. In fact I would even use Gothard/ATI as a litmus test for "main stream" vs "fundamentalism"'.at least in the conservative Christian homeschooling circles I've traveled in. I think that Huckabee intentionally chose to buddy up with Gothard to prove just how conservative he is. 

I have a hard time believing the opposite. Out of all the girls he's emotionally manipulated, played footsie with, and reached under their pajamas, he's never engaged himself in sexual misconduct? YEAH RIGHT. I have a bridge to sell you.

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notfundy

I read most of the actual lawsuit just now, and in addition to the various claims of sexual abuse there is portrayal of Gothard's views on adoption.  I am speechless.   

He says that adopted children "taint" the biological children and should be returned to their birth parents or to the state, since they will most "certainly repeat the sins of the forefathers".

His views on adoption are discussed in the context of a very severe case of abuse (of all kinds, perpetrated by a plaintiff's adoptive family).  Gothard's teachings/views caused the family to throw this young woman out of the home, but not without beating her the day she was thrown out for good measure (at least one hundred blows were struck).   Gothard blamed this young woman for all of this.   She's one of the Jane Does.

What an awful,, horrible, disgusting piece of shit this man is.  

Shame on the Duggars and shame on the Bates and shame on the greedy cable TV stations who promote their particular brand of shit.  

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Bad Wolf

How tragic for these women, and how courageous to come forward. I hope there is enough exposure to wake up the leg humpers, but not enough to further stress these women.

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Sundaymorning

I'd like to ask those familiar with these types of lawsuits in the USA: how high do you estimate the chances of these women to win against Gothard and IBLP?

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Whoosh

Wow.  That was just really, really tough to read (and that has nothing to do with the length or the legal nature of the document).  The complaint was very hard to read and think about, but very much what I expected given what I have read here.  I guess I should have been ready for the bizarre statements by Gothard too, but I really wasn't. Y'all, I really can not wrap my mind around this.  My heart goes out to anyone who had to grow up in such a way that some of what he is saying is very familiar or an expected response.

Think anyone is going to honor his request to follow Matthew 18:15-17 and then resolve things through binding Christian mediation and resolution?  NO?  How about his next request that people accept his apology and allow Dr. Doty Murphy (chosen by God!) to hold him accountable?  Wha?  Why not, right? :o  The good Dr. will mediate requests for forgiveness, y'all.

Sundaymorning good question.  I would need to at least see the response to even venture a guess on that.

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Et Moi

Anybody else notice that the lawsuit is filed by David Gibbs III and is accusing David Gibbs Jr's organization of helping with the coverup by doing a sham internal investigation? I bet that was a fun holiday in the Gibbs family.

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ALM7
2 hours ago, Et Moi said:

Homeschoolers Anonymous has the full lawsuit. It's bad. Really bad. And yes, actual nonconsensual sexual intercourse by Gothard is alleged.

http://homeschoolersanonymous.org/2016/01/06/amended-lawsuit-against-bill-gothard-text/

Thank you for starting this thread ... informative and very interesting.

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Tdoc72

I thought it was interesting that Dr Charles Stephen Paine (Chad's dad) apparently examined one girl after her claims of parental abuse and told her to eat a power bar.  WTF?

Besides being a major creeper, I cannot believe that a few of the girls were reporting major parental sexual abuse and Gothard (and the board to the extent they knew about it) did nothing. 

Brave girls, all of them.  I wish them peace and healing. 

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foreign fundie

Gothard says God is his witness he did nothing wrong. If you dare to say that after all this comes out, you don't even believe in the existence of God. Because if you did, you would look for a huge rock to hide under.

The Bible he claims to teach has some pretty tough things to say about exploiting the weak, sexual immorality, lying in court and the abuse of power and money.

Wish for 2016:

May his whole evil empire be reduced to rubble by the end of this year and the captives be set free. Amen

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Et Moi

I'm pretty sure what's described in the suit meets the definition for human trafficking. International human trafficking at that.

Hopefully this will turn into a federal criminal prosecution. New Zealand might have criminal jurisdiction too since one of his victims was trafficked from there.

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formergothardite

Good. I hope this brings them all down. It is long past time for this to happen. 

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Seren Ann

I'm probably naïve, but every time one of these things comes out, I'm surprised it could be so bad. It's strange. I mean, I know these kinds of patriarchal, deeply misogynistic religious organisations are rife with all kinds of sexual abuse. But it's something else entirely to be able to put names onto it and hear the actual stories.

It was the same for me when we heard about Josh's sexual abuse of his sisters. In a way, it seemed logical to me given his upbringing and nature. And at the same time, while my "gut feeling" is that these men are skeevy as hell, dangerous and would not hesitate to abuse women and children... My rational mind minimizes it, like "yes we know they think awful things and they have horrific values but that doesn't mean they actually act out on it. Don't assume things". Well... obviously they do act out their terrible values. Why am I always so shocked about that ? I guess maybe I find it hard to believe such shitty human beings could exist.

Anyway, I'm horrified to learn that it wasn't just fondling, but also outright rape. How do these monsters justify that to their God ? My heart goes out to all these women. I hope Gothard gets his comeuppance at last and is sent to rot in jail. He deserves it. Wonder what Gil Bates and Jim Bob would say then... I'd love to see them try to explain that one away.

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formergothardite

Gil Bates and the rest of the board needs to see some jail time too for covering up abuse. Can people now stop trying to act like the Bates aren't as bad as the Duggars? Pretty please?

I do think that Gothard is correct in saying that the BoD thought that the women would never  really sue. They are used to getting away with this and with intimidating people into being quiet, I imagine that it is a shock that it didn't work this time. 

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polecat
8 hours ago, Anonymousguest said:

I have a hard time believing he raped with actual intercourse. I'm not sure why exactly and I hate the whole idea of disbelieving someone when they say they have been raped, and she likely was, I just don't believe Gothard did it. 

I also disagree with the notion that main stream Christian conservatives are associated with Gothard. In fact I would even use Gothard/ATI as a litmus test for "main stream" vs "fundamentalism"'.at least in the conservative Christian homeschooling circles I've traveled in. I think that Huckabee intentionally chose to buddy up with Gothard to prove just how conservative he is. 

I can easily believe it. Maybe because I've seen it happen so many times. These fundamentalist patriarchs who are obsessed with sex sins and virginity almost always have so many foul rotting skeletons in their closet that it would make your blood run cold. And it's easy to make it the girl's fault -- she was either fallen and so already ruined or she was a wicked temptress. 

re: adoption

This was something I saw firsthand with people who'd been adopted, but it wasn't limited to adopted kids. Some of the parents had their own sins (people's "pasts" are often trotted out with theatrical shame and mock horror during "testimony" time to show what awful things God had saved them from), and anything that went wrong with their bio kids was blamed on "Sins of the father." (Rereading this, it makes it seem like I'm minimizing what was done with adopted kids, and that's absolutely not intended. What they do to adopted kids is evil.)

 

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apple1
5 hours ago, Et Moi said:

Anybody else notice that the lawsuit is filed by David Gibbs III and is accusing David Gibbs Jr's organization of helping with the coverup by doing a sham internal investigation? I bet that was a fun holiday in the Gibbs family.

III and Jr have been seriously estranged from each other for a few years now. IMHO the jury is still out on how Jr will fare in some of the high profile legal cases he has taken on, but - if the III vs. Jr internal/home info ever comes out (I do not expect that) it sure will be interesting.

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