Fox News Guests Redefine Feminism And It's Scary

[doggie]

ok love this quote.

"They want less government in their lives, they want to make their own decisions, they want freedom to choose for their children and their families. That's what women really want. And they also want real men. We love real men."

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[Rhetorica]

Ugh, ugh, ugh. I don't even know where to start.

[Firiel]

Wow. So dressing like Beyonce means you want to be raped? Okaaaaay...

Here's the thing-- I personally don't like stripping/porn/Slut Walks as a sign of feminism and independence. In that way (though not in some other ways), I like the ideas of radical feminism. I don't understand how purposefully and overtly sexualizing oneself fights the patriarchy, and I think it instead often ends up (unintentionally) supporting the notions held by men who objectify women-- that women are things for sex. I know that is not the only feminist point of view, and I wouldn't shame anyone who felt differently.

So yeah, Beyonce is a feminist and she expresses that by claiming her own sexuality. Buuuuut... the idea that Beyonce's feminism is/can be counter-productive and actually reinforces objectification isn't some brilliant idea by contemporary, conservative anti-feminists. It's been around for ages and has been espoused by various leaders and philosophers within the feminist movement.

Dill holes.

[Childless]

I haven't watched the video, but I'm already calling bull shit simply off the screen capture that appears in the original post. I know many, many stay at home mothers and not a single one of them are scared to be a stay at home mom. Some were apprehensive when they first decided to be stay at home mothers simply due to the reduction in income, but hell, I felt the same way when we decided my husband should quit his job and go back to school. We knew it would be a financial burden, but it was worth it for him to get a degree. None of the women I know who stay home worried about being stigmatized by the choice though. They were doing what they felt was best for their families. They could give a rat's ass if anyone agreed with them.

If you're scared of being stigmatized by your choice of profession, you should probably do a little soul searching and ask yourself why others opinions of your choice matter so much to you and whether that might indicate a lack of confidence in your decision and if it was perhaps the wrong choice for you.

[doggie]

and like ma dugger none of these women are staying at home. they are benefiting from feminism.

[patsymae]

When did feminism" become the enemy of women who stay at home to raise their children? For those of us who are old enough to remember (and for those who aren't, there are laws in place that you can date from that time), part of the discussion was exactly about not devaluing the work of women who did their work out of the commercial workplace, and especially in the home, such as caring for children and maintaining the home (work); performing administrative services for the husband's job/business (work); or the more upscale entertaining bosses, colleagues and clients in order to support the husband's career (work). "Feminists" fought for women, "even" women who had no commercial income, to be allowed to have bank accounts and credit in their own names, which still wasn't allowed mostly in the 19070s. "Feminism (funny, that just doesn't naturally seem opposite to "masculinsim," wasn't about denial of women who worked outside the workplace, it was about recognition, respect and compensation, for those who did.

That early movement is why women who lived with a man for 50 years who left them for a 20 year old still can claim SS benefits for the work SHE did. That's why marital rape, which was still legal in this country until the '70s (although I see now maybe I'm off base here with the fundies) is now a crime. It's why colleges set up programs so that women in their 40s and 50s who had devoted their lives to working for their families, and then got left by their headships, could at least have a shot at life. It's why women who worked at minimum wage jobs while their husbands went to college or grad school could be compensated for that work after their professional, affluent husbands moved on to greener pastures.

"Feminism" didn't destroy the culture of the traditional (largely mythical anyway) family or marriage; it gave women who lived in it an opportunity to not be victimized financially because they had "only" worked at home.

[Four is Enough]

I became so outraged by the "us versus them" dialogue... seriously? "They are the ones waiting for the cave man to come drag us into the cave by the hair"? This is one book I won't bother to read!

[GolightlyGrrl]

I think I just lost several IQ points watching that dreck. The Fox News General Issue Blonde, the two Fox News Blonde Wannabees, and the Hollywood Has-Been make "The View" look like a brunch at Rachel Maddow's house.

[FloraKitty35]

I think I just lost several IQ points watching that dreck. The Fox News General Issue Blonde, the two Fox News Blonde Wannabees, and the Hollywood Has-Been make "The View" look like a brunch at Rachel Maddow's house.

I can't stand Fox "News". I have tried watching it to try and understand the right wing mindset, but I end up with a headache. If people didn't swallow that tripe wholesale Fox would be great satire.

[GolightlyGrrl]

I can't stand Fox "News". I have tried watching it to try and understand the right wing mindset, but I end up with a headache. If people didn't swallow that tripe wholesale Fox would be great satire.

I've spent years trying to understand the Fox "News" mindset as well as the fundie, extreme right wing, teabagger, MRA/FemMRA mindsets trying to find consensus. I just ended up loathing the whole sleazy cabal.

[ViolaSebastian]

Direct quote from one of the blondies: "Politicizing our bodies and what happens in our bedrooms. That's all the "feminist" movement has successfully done."

Well excuse the heck out of me, DOCTOR, who wouldn't have had the opportunity for higher education without the feminist movement, but I only see the right politicizing our bodies and making it their business what goes on in our bedrooms. It's not the feminists that are trying to shut down Planned Parenthood, that gives women access to family planning strategies. And it sure as heck isn't the feminists that are trying to legislate abortions (you know, that thing that has to do with our bodies...) out of existence.

[Fenchurch]

As someone who identifies as a Feminist, can I tell you what I really want?

I want people to stop telling me what I really want, how I should identify and what choices I can and cannot make.

I want people to stop defining men and women as "REAL" men and women based on archaic stereotypes of what "REAL" men and women should be.

I am about equality (we have reached equality in the workplace? On what planet do you live lady?). 100% equality everywhere.

For people who are "taking back feminism" (lol wat), they sure have a sucky idea of what it is.

It's about choice ladies.

If I choose to take off my clothes and swing on a pole for a living (or for fun), if I choose to study really hard and become a nuclear physicist or if I choose to have lots of babies and stay at home, as long as those choices are what I truly, truly want (and not being told that's what I want by a man or group of idiotic women) then I'm okay with that, and I will live a happy life. This applies to the choices of both men and women. Why should a man who decides to stay at home and look after the kids not be a "REAL" man?

Aaarrghhh, just aarrrrghhh.

[browncoatslytherin]

I've spent years trying to understand the Fox "News" mindset as well as the fundie, extreme right wing, teabagger, MRA/FemMRA mindsets trying to find consensus. I just ended up loathing the whole sleazy cabal.

i lived in the midst of it for years, as my parents listened to rush limbaugh and watched fox news. it's all the same: take a few grains of truth and smother it in bullshit and rabbit trails to push your own agenda. dust off hands and sit back and watch the sheeple swallow it word for word. discourage looking up the facts because they provide the facts! (lol wut)

i tried having a serious debate with a conservative friend of mine. i provided links to actual pdf documents to support my side. to support his side, he linked me to a clip of judge jeneane pirro talking about it. yeahhh...that's not how you do it...but whatever. they live in a fantasy world of their own creation and can't be convinced otherwise, even when shown real, actual, documented facts.

[GolightlyGrrl]

Gina Loudon's 18-year-old daughter, Lyda, is dating 57-year-old actor and Melanie Griffith's ex Steven Bauer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/1 ... 04410.html

Little Lyda is the head of the group Tea Party Youth. Tea Party Youth? Now that's an oxymoron.

teapartyyouth.wordpress.com/

[ILoveJellybeans]

18 and 57?? It may be legal, but ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww he is old enough to be her grandfather.