Jahi McMath case in California

[scc12]

I wonder what her nails look like under the manicures.That may be why she's hiding them with the fancy do's.

[moodygirl86]

I can't bring myself to click on the spoilers, because I just know it'll give me nightmares.

[Coco]

I can't bring myself to click on the spoilers, because I just know it'll give me nightmares.

It's not that bad. It just looks like a darker area above her nails (like a bruise on a little kid's knee or somewhere is darker). It wouldn't be obvious without looking for it... sometimes imagination is worse than the reality, but i am so glad for the option to hide photos, i don't want to see any more!

[ILoveJellybeans]

Ewwwwwwwwww. That hand looks off, the positioning of it isn't right, I don't think my hand would be able to get into that position. And whats the black bit on the other picture?

Also, on that page, there is a picture of the stick the mom uses to beat Jahi's little sister with. It even says on it "FOR JORDYN'S ASS ONLY".

[Blahblah]

I checked out the pics expecting them to be much worse to be honest. Does anyone have close up pics of her hands pre-death for comparison? Maybe she has sausage fingers and pigmentation patches normally.

But I do agree that manicuring a corpse is just gross.

[RosyDaisy]

Also, on that page, there is a picture of the stick the mom uses to beat Jahi's little sister with. It even says on it "FOR JORDYN'S ASS ONLY".

WTF??? WTF is wrong with that woman?

[scc12]

I've a feeling someone is going to be writing a mommy dearest book when she gets older (jordyn).

This woman doesn't respect her kids,living or dead.

[Evilbad]

My parents did the same thing, but it was a wooden paddle instead of a stick. They were abusive fucks.

[Coco]

I wonder if the mom is hanging on out of unresolved regrets. When your child goes for tonsillitis surgery you don't consider last words...

[Trynn]

There is also, as far as I know, no guarantees those belong to Jahi.

[16strong]

There is also, as far as I know, no guarantees those belong to Jahi.

You have just opened up another world of possibility where Jahi's hands and feet look worse than the ones in these photos. Thanks. :ew:

For the record, I do believe these are hers. There is enough evidence of deterioration in the photos to sufficiently convince me, but I suppose that we won't ever really know for sure.

[Mitz_]

I also think the pictures are of Jahi's hands and feet, but I don't see any signs of decomposition . Those darker areas are normal for black/dark skin. Actually it's normal for light skin too ,it's just more noticeable on darker skin and the lighting in the photograph is accentuating the darker areas as well. It does look like there is a lot of edema. I wonder how long this can go on?

[Buzzard]

You have just opened up another world of possibility where Jahi's hands and feet look worse than the ones in these photos. Thanks. :ew:

For the record, I do believe these are hers. There is enough evidence of deterioration in the photos to sufficiently convince me, but I suppose that we won't ever really know for sure.

Talk about horrific if they aren't her hands. That would be just outright fraud.

This child is dead. It's sad, it's hard to accept, but give her dignity and unhook her and let her rest in peace.

[melon]

Almost 3 years ago,my husband and youngest son were in a terrible car accident.

My husband and son worked together,and were on the way home,when another driver sped up,then changed lanes,clipping my husband's vehicle causing my husband to lose control.The vehicle spun,then flipped 4 or 5 times.They did not have on their seat belts and were going about 65-70 miles per hour.

My husband was thrown behind the driver's seat.He had a concussion and broke his humurous.My son,26, was ejected from the vehicle and sustained a closed head injury.A devastating head injury.

They called me and work,and I went to the hospital with another son.

The ER doctor told me about my son.How he would never be the same,how I should consider the quality of his life etc.It made me angry.I was in denial.At that time,I didn't want to accept my son's condition.I hoped that he would prove the doctors wrong.

I stayed with him as much as I could,they did not allow me to sleep in my son's room and when it was shift change,I had to leave while the nurses changed shifts.

When this happened.The doctors didnt tell me,that they did not expect him to live.They assumed his brain would herniate and he would die.Well,that part never happened.

But because of the head/brain injury.My son could no longer regulate his body temperature,his blood pressure would go up and down,and really went up when they cleaned the tube on his vent.They had to start giving him insulin,he could not regulate his blood sugar.

They kept telling me how I could let my son go.Or he would have to have a tracheotomy(spelling) and have a feeding tube inserted.

I struggled with our decision, wondering if I was doing the right thing.

I was in his room,and someone came in and did an EEG,much to my sadness,it was blank.I knew he was brain dead.

We made the arrangements for organ donation.My husband became so upset, he had to go to the ER ,thinking he was having a heart attack.I get a call from one of my son's doctor's , he siad I want to talk to you about your son,I was puzzled,plus it was the doctor that always gave me bad news.He said my son began over-breatheing the vent and was moving his legs...so legally they could not pronounce him brain dead,or do an organ donation.

His resp.specialist told me how she had to give him more and more oxygen.

I finally realized,he would never get better,his brain damage was irreversible.

I had to think of what my son would have wanted and honor his wishes.

We removed him from the vent and let him go.He was still an organ donor.Someone has his liver,two people have each of his kidneys.

I understand Jahi's mothers selfish desire to keep her child on the vent,but she isnt facing reality.I can sympathize with her,I have been there.It still hurts,and I still cry.

I am a greiving mother.

[Coconut Flan]

That is such a heart breaking experience. I'm so sorry.

[Mitz_]

We all understand Jahi's mother's selfish desire and we all sympathize with her, but we all have to overcome big and small selfish desires almost every day. When we decide not to act on a selfish desire and and act on the behalf of someone else's best interests...that is real love. I'm so inspired by your love and unselfishness, Melon. And I'm so sorry for your loss, it was painful to read but thank you for telling your story.

[NotALoserLikeYou]

Melon, I am so sorry.

I can only imagine and that itself is too painful. I would make the same hard choice you did.

((hugs))

[melon]

Thank you both. :)

[salex]

Melon, I am so sorry you had to go through that. Thank you for sharing your story.

[moodygirl86]

Melon, I'm sorry for your loss, but you did the kindest thing you could for your son. Stories like this must be really triggering.

[melon]

Thank you,Salex and Moodygirl.

Yes,stories like this trigger a lot of sad memories.

Last year,I lost my Dad.He was 82,but was in ICU,and it brought back a flood of memories.My Dad had congestive heart failure,COPD,and his kidneys were failing.They tried other things but had to put him on a vent,only my Dad was aware....after almost a week,he conveyed his wish to be removed from it.They were planning to remove it in the afternoon.However his nurse called my brother and told him that he and my two other brothers needed to come to the hospital,and they did.My Dad's heart just stopped before they took him off the vent.

The quality of his life was beyond poor at that time,and at 82,he had lived a life.

It was hard to see my Dad and son in their conditions,and realize it was hopeless,and that they would never recover.

[Savoring Samsara]

Melon, my deepest and most heartfelt condolences to you and your family.

[Trynn]

My grandma remembers a time before they would allow a family member to remove someone from a vent. She said nothing pained her and her daddy (my great grandfather) more than watching him suffer, and knowing that without the vent he would die, but being unable to remove the plug.

When she asked, they told her, " who are you to play God?"

Grandma said she argued that they were playing God by putting him on the vent in the first place, but no one listened to her, of course.

Grandma said her daddy would point up, towards the sky, and say, "I go, I GO. I'm ready, I GO."

At one point, great grandpa somehow managed to unplug himself. The nurses caught him JUST Before he died. They saved his life. Great grandaddy was ENRAGED. He was almost GONE. He had not quality of life, he was ready, and he just wanted to go.

Grandma was relieved when he finally died on his own.

The doctors WOULD NOT remove him from the vent. I don't know which decade this was, but I'm going to guess... 1960-1970? She says that the ability to remove someone from a vent is a very recent thing, and has made her wishes known on the subject.

It still makes her angry to think how much her daddy suffered needlessly.

And that, kids, is why you should always have a living will, just in case. Grandma has one, and every single person in the family knows who is in charge of enforcing her wishes when the time comes.

And we all know what her wishes are. When the time comes, she wants no heroics. She doesn't want to end up like her daddy. When it's time, she just wants to be let go.

And for her, we will let her go.

This poor child, her parents really just need to follow the same advice.

[Coconut Flan]

At one point it would take a court order to disconnect a vent once it was in place. There was a big thing about people near death refusing to go to the hospital so that they could die in peace. It happened to one of my neighbors with terminal cancer. She wanted to die at home with no interference. One of our busybody neighbors called 911 because she was dyyyyyiiiiinnnnnggggg.

The ambulance arrived and over her objections hauled her off to the ER who promptly had her put on a vent against her objections. First thing the next morning her husband began the process to get it removed. It took several days, but he was able to obtain the court order. I guess too many people encountered their wishes being ignored by hospital personnel who kept saying that they had no choice but use every measure that they had to sustain life. Thankfully living wills and medical directives are common now.

[Blahblah]

Hugs to all of you who have lost someone.

I've had discussions with my parents about their wishes and my hubby and kids about our own wishes should something horrible happen.

My awesome grandad was in his 80s and suffered several debilitating heart attacks. After they revived him in hospital for the umpteenth time he mustered up his strength and cursed them with every colourful Cockney insult he could remember and demanded they take their bleedin' hands off him and Let. Him. Die. And they did. Good on him.