Weakness - a true trait of femininity

[fundiefan]

__I wear my hair in a feminine style

Well, it's about shoulder length. 90% of the time it is in a pony tail though.

__I shower everyday.

Sometimes, depending on activity. Normally though, I shower every other day.

__My hair looks healthy, it has shine.

Nope. It hasn't been cut in 4 months, I'm going gray, and it is naturally course and dry and frizzy. If I use a butt load of product and a flat iron it shines from the product, not nature.

__I look in the mirror several times a day, to see if hair needs fixing.

When I leave the bathroom after a shower, I'm pretty much done with mirrors.

__I don’t wear makeup.

On an average day, no. When I go out to socialize or work, Yes, I do wear makeup.

__I only wear enough makeup to look my best.

I'm not sure what this means. Most people wear their makeup as they do because they like the way it looks and is best for them.

__I don’t wear masculine type clothes.

What are masculine type clothes? I wear pants and sweats and shorts and t-shirts. All sold in the women's department of stores and all cut for women. I don't think a man would do will in my jeans.

__I wear feminine dresses at home.

What's the difference between a feminine dress and a masculine dress? Whatever. The answer is no. I don't even own a dress.

__I don’t have feminine clothes, but plan to buy or make them.

I have clothes enough for now. When I do plan to buy more, it will be more of the same. And, since they'll come from the women's department, I'm pretty sure that makes them feminine.

__My shoes look feminine.

What is a feminine shoe? Flip-flops? I have a few pair of those.

__My purses look feminine.

Since man-purses haven't really caught on here in the US simply by carrying a purse it is feminine.

__I wear scarves or ribbons and lace trimmed items.

I wear scarves in winter to keep my neck warm under my coat. Ribbons and lace are not allowed in my home, much less my wardrobe.

Mistakes list:

__Use your hands in a brusk, firm manner.

Really? I'm not sure I even get the point behind this. When required, my hands are brusk and firm, because sometimes it is required of a task.

__Walk with a heavy gait.

Depends on the shoes I wear. If I'm in heels, it's pretty heavy because I'm not so good at heels and have to make every step intentional and solid. Normally, I just walk, and it tends to be at a quick pace.

__Walk with long strides.

I believe my stride is proportionate to the length of my legs.

__Masculine tone in your voice.

My voice is naturally deeper than the average female and a little scratchy/gruff (I hate it, by the way, and am glad I rarely hear it as others do). As for the tone, again, what is a masculine vs feminine tone? No way in hell I'd get even close to trying to talk like mamma Duggar.

__Yell.

There are actually valid times in life when this is totally appropriate. At ball games/other sporting events, getting someone's attention in a crowded bar, etc. So, yes, I do yell, thankyouverymuch.

__Laugh loudly.

As often as possible

__Laugh with mouth wide open.

Sometimes it is an automatic reaction. If it happens, I don't try to hide it. I am not one for closed lip chuckling outside sarcastic situations.

__Eat noisily.

No. That is bad manners, whether done by a man or a woman. Close your mouth and shut up, dammit. No one needs to hear you eat.

__Shake hands with an overly firm grasp.

Yes. I see it as a sign or respect.

__Slap men on the back.

I've done that. I've also slapped a man on the ass.

__Sit with legs apart.

Not out of the question.

__Give pushy advice.

Not pushy, but if asked and the situations warrants it, I will give strong advice

__Demand your way.

There are many aspects of life where this is absolutely necessary and I don't shy away from them. If my life is affected in a relevant way, I will make demands and accept nothing less.

__Have unyielding opinions.

Yes, I do. Not in all situations and not in all aspects of life. But, there are many opinions I have that no one will ever be able to change. Ever.

__Critical in conversation.

Depends on the conversation and what its impact is.

__Harsh facial expressions.

Without a doubt and I'm good with that. Often an expression can say what words will only complicate.

The true characteristics of a feminine nature are :

Weakness

Submissiveness

Dependency

Tenderness

Fearfulness

This cracks me up. And, I can't speak for all the men in the world or even all the men I know, but for the most part, I don't believe I know a single man who would want a woman with these traits or characteristics.

*Edited because I haven't had enough coffee this morning

[almostfundylyte]

Femininity Check List

__I wear my hair in a feminine style

Shoulder length, but usually in a ponytail or bun.

__I shower everyday.

Mostly.

__My hair looks healthy, it has shine.

If I shower and wash my hair daily, then yes.

__I look in the mirror several times a day, to see if hair needs fixing.

Only if I've fixed it for some special reason.

__I don’t wear makeup.

If I'm leaving the house for errands, it's mascara and chapstick. If its for work or another special event, I do the full face.

__I only wear enough makeup to look my best.

Nope, I like going out looking like Tammy Faye Baker.

__I don’t wear masculine type clothes.

I buy men's undershirts to use as camis. They're 6 for $10.

__I wear feminine dresses at home.

I don't like dresses as a general rule, but if we're going somewhere nice, I'll wear one.

__I don’t have feminine clothes, but plan to buy or make them.

My clothes are feminine.

__My shoes look feminine.

My sneakers have pink and turquoise trim. The rest of the time, it's usually ballet flats.

__My purses look feminine.

Since I've never seen a man with a purse, I'm gonna say yes to this one!

__I wear scarves or ribbons and lace trimmed items.

I like sheer scarves as an accessory. In the winter, I wear crocheted scarves.

Do you make the following mistakes?

__Use your hands in a brusk, firm manner.

Yes. I use my hands for emphasis when speaking a lot!

__Walk with a heavy gait.

Yes. I'm fat.

__Walk with long strides.

No, I'm short.

__Masculine tone in your voice.

Not really.

__Yell.

Sometimes.

__Laugh loudly.

ALWAYS.

__Laugh with mouth wide open.

If it's funny enough, then yes.

__Eat noisily.

Gross, no. And men shouldn't do that either. That's just poor manners.

__Shake hands with an overly firm grasp.

Probably not. My handshake is firm, but I've never made anyone writhe in pain, or broken any bones.

__Slap men on the back.

As a general rule, no. But I did slap my husband's backside earlier, does that count?

__Sit with legs apart.

Not intentionally.

__Give pushy advice.

No.

__Demand your way.

If I'm right, then yeah.

__Have unyielding opinions.

Yeah. On some things.

__Critical in conversation.

No.

__Harsh facial expressions.

Only when I yell.

The true characteristics of a feminine nature are :

Weakness. No, I can do just about anything.

Submissiveness. Well, I look like I'm 12 if wear a ponytail and a baseball hat, and my husband doesn't like that because he says it makes people look at him like he's a pedophile, so I don't do it anymore.

Dependency. I depend on my husband and son to pitch in with the housework. Actually, my husband does most of the housework.

Tenderness. Absolutely.

Fearfulness. Of mice and snakes.

[ElphabaGalinda]

Femininty Check List

__I wear my hair in a feminine style

Well it's really long?

__I shower everyday.

Every other day.

__My hair looks healthy, it has shine.

It's not bad.

__I look in the mirror several times a day, to see if hair needs fixing.

I don't fix my hair in the first place, so no.

__I don’t wear makeup.

That's right, I don't.

__I only wear enough makeup to look my best.

I only wear makeup on reaaaaally special occasions. Like weddings and bar mitzvahs.

__I don’t wear masculine type clothes.

I don't think so. But what does masculine mean? Pants? I love pants.

__I wear feminine dresses at home.

No. I wear my most comfortable clothes at home. Sometimes I wear feminine dresses to go out but only because I like them.

__I don’t have feminine clothes, but plan to buy or make them.

I have feminine clothes

__My shoes look feminine.

Since I mostly wear ballet flats, so i don't think dudes would wear those.

__My purses look feminine.

I only have 1 pink one, 1 purple 1, and 1 with a very large flower, so i guess.

__I wear scarves or ribbons and lace trimmed items.

No. Ew.

The goal is to have a striking contrast between yourself and men. An overall impression of femininity.

I think the big boobs I have naturally do that for me.

Do you make the following mistakes?

__Use your hands in a brusk, firm manner.

I never noticed if i do.

__Walk with a heavy gait.

No.

__Walk with long strides.

No. Just because I'm short that's a bit difficult for me.

__Masculine tone in your voice.

Nope. But I wish I did because when I talk on the phone people think i'm my 13 year old sister.

__Yell.

If necessary.

__Laugh loudly.

There's no other way to laugh.

__Laugh with mouth wide open.

As much as one needs to open their mouth to laugh.

__Eat noisily.

I don't think so.

__Shake hands with an overly firm grasp.

No. But I wish I had a firmer grasp than i do.

__Slap men on the back.

Who does that?

__Sit with legs apart.

Sure. Unless I'm wearing a dress or skirt, which i do only occasionally

__Give pushy advice.

I give advice, I try to not be pushy.

__Demand your way.

If it's important to me.

__Have unyielding opinions.

Yes. Especially the whole women= person and man = person. Equal worth and all that.

__Critical in conversation.

Yes.

__Harsh facial expressions.

No one's ever told me i did, so I guess not.

I don't have any of the true characteristics of feminine nature, so i guess the boobs and the vag aren't enough :D Of course fundies would never consider me a true woman since i'm not saving my first anything for marriage, plus I'm not even going to marry a man.

[JesusFightClub]

I also wonder what you are supposed to do about loads of these things if you have a disability? Like for a start good luck seeing me without a heavy gait, I cannot walk correctly. Or maybe a woman with MH problems who yells? Or a woman with severe burns sustained who can't wear dresses? Instant loss of femininity even if we all wear lace?

[sugaree]

I also wonder what you are supposed to do about loads of these things if you have a disability? Like for a start good luck seeing me without a heavy gait, I cannot walk correctly. Or maybe a woman with MH problems who yells? Or a woman with severe burns sustained who can't wear dresses? Instant loss of femininity even if we all wear lace?

No excuses for such sins as clumping, yelling, or bepantsing. God would heal you from all that if you really really wanted to be feminine. It's in the pray the gay away category.

[emmyfair]

My turn

__I wear my hair in a feminine style

I'm growing my hair out - so it's easier to shove back in an elastic.

__I shower everyday.

Yes. Often the only time I get away from my kids.

__My hair looks healthy, it has shine.

I guess so, I've never really thought about it.

__I look in the mirror several times a day, to see if hair needs fixing.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

__I don’t wear makeup.

No. Allergic to aloe vera, in freaking everything.

__I only wear enough makeup to look my best.

See above. Allergies. I'd wear makeup if I wanted to look like I lost a boxing match.

__I don’t wear masculine type clothes.

I steal my husband's stuff all the time.

__I wear feminine dresses at home.

Never. Not practical.

__I don’t have feminine clothes, but plan to buy or make them.

I have clothes. I'm sure I will buy more.... Not dresses and frilly stuff, though.

__My shoes look feminine.

I'll check, right after I wash the mud off them...

__My purses look feminine.

Diaper bag. It's grey.

__I wear scarves or ribbons and lace trimmed items.

I have a scarf I knit, and other practical stuff.

Mistakes list:

__Use your hands in a brusk, firm manner.

I guess sometimes, if I need to.

__Walk with a heavy gait.

I don't think so. I stomp to make my kids laugh sometimes, though. :)

__Walk with long strides.

I guess so - I have longish legs.

__Masculine tone in your voice.

I speak with my natural voice - usually talking way too fast. If I thought I spoke like Michelle Duggar, I'd lose my mind.

__Yell.

If I need to get my kids attention right away, or if I'm calling someone. Basically, if the situation requres a loud voice, then yes, I yell.

__Laugh loudly.

Yup. Fun times!

__Laugh with mouth wide open.

Yeah ... I think that's totally normal.

__Eat noisily.

No. At least, I don't think so.

__Shake hands with an overly firm grasp.

With a firm grasp, yes.

__Slap men on the back.

I've done that.

__Sit with legs apart.

Not in general.

__Give pushy advice.

I'm thinking, to the girl that wrote this checklist, that "pushy" means having an opinion. So, yes.

__Demand your way.

Sometimes, yes.

__Have unyielding opinions.

Yes.

__Critical in conversation.

I can be.

__Harsh facial expressions.

Somtimes this is so important, to get the point across, so yes.

Did I fail the checklist? Looks like it! Yay!!! :lol:

[Shirley MacLaine]

Femininty Check List

__I wear my hair in a feminine style

It's long, but I don't brush it.

__I shower everyday.

Nope.

__My hair looks healthy, it has shine.

Yeah, it's fucking shiny. What's it to you?

__I look in the mirror several times a day, to see if hair needs fixing.

My hair just does what it does, I don't fix it.

__I don’t wear makeup.

No, I wear makeup.

__I only wear enough makeup to look my best.

No, I like the gothy eyeliner sometimes.

__I don’t wear masculine type clothes.

Gendering clothing items is stupid.

__I wear feminine dresses at home.

Yeah, but if I'm home I'm mostly naked.

__I don’t have feminine clothes, but plan to buy or make them.

I have a lot of clothes.

__My shoes look feminine.

I usually wear Chucks.

__My purses look feminine.

I have one purse and it's ugly and I hate it but I'm too cheap/lazy to buy a new one.

__I wear scarves or ribbons and lace trimmed items.

Fuck no to ribbons and lace trim. I hate scarves because I feel like I'm being strangled.

The goal is to have a striking contrast between yourself and men. An overall impression of femininity.

Is that a question?

Do you make the following mistakes?

__Use your hands in a brusk, firm manner.

Brusque? Def.

__Walk with a heavy gait.

Probably sometimes.

__Walk with long strides.

Sometimes.

__Masculine tone in your voice.

I don't know what this means.

__Yell.

Yes.

__Laugh loudly.

Hell yes!

__Laugh with mouth wide open.

Yes.

__Eat noisily.

Not really.

__Shake hands with an overly firm grasp.

I think a firm handshake is nice.

__Slap men on the back.

Why would I do that? Sometimes I do the playful arm-punch though.

__Sit with legs apart.

Sometimes.

__Give pushy advice.

Sometimes.

__Demand your way.

When it's important to me, fuck yes.

__Have unyielding opinions.

Yes.

__Critical in conversation.

Yes.

__Harsh facial expressions.

O.o

[Kaylee]

Pretty much all of this is taken from "Fascinating Womanhood", either the books itself, the "Secrets" book written by the weird guy from New Zealand, or the workbook accompanying FW classes. In typical fundie blogger style, she loses all context and turns every trait or suggestion into a black and white checklist.

One thing some women overlook is that, even though it was written from a Christian POV, by a Mormon woman, it was based on secular sources and is not the be-all, end-all book on what a woman should be. The original texts that most of the book were copied from were a series on dating written for single women in the 1920s to help them manipulate a man into marriage.

It was a pretty common idea then that men were more attracted to women who appeared weak, dependent, helpless, and a little childless, silly, and dumb. Of course, once these women were married and taking care of a household and usually at least a handful of children, they were expected to harden the fuck up and get capable, intelligent, hard-working, and efficient in order to deal with it all. The fundie spin on FW ends up putting women back on this pedestal and encouraging women to act like the more useless SAHD idea that even VF had to contradict recently (being too caught up on being "girly" to be useful for anything).

As for the questionnaire, I'd probably pass with flying colors, except I wear jeans maybe 2 or 3 times a month & I do have some "unyielding opinions" on certain things. Then again, the author of that quiz seems to have plenty of unyielding opinions of her own.

[InkyGirl]

Pretty much all of this is taken from "Fascinating Womanhood", either the books itself, the "Secrets" book written by the weird guy from New Zealand, or the workbook accompanying FW classes. In typical fundie blogger style, she loses all context and turns every trait or suggestion into a black and white checklist.

One thing some women overlook is that, even though it was written from a Christian POV, by a Mormon woman, it was based on secular sources and is not the be-all, end-all book on what a woman should be. The original texts that most of the book were copied from were a series on dating written for single women in the 1920s to help them manipulate a man into marriage.

It was a pretty common idea then that men were more attracted to women who appeared weak, dependent, helpless, and a little childless, silly, and dumb. Of course, once these women were married and taking care of a household and usually at least a handful of children, they were expected to harden the fuck up and get capable, intelligent, hard-working, and efficient in order to deal with it all. The fundie spin on FW ends up putting women back on this pedestal and encouraging women to act like the more useless SAHD idea that even VF had to contradict recently (being too caught up on being "girly" to be useful for anything).

As for the questionnaire, I'd probably pass with flying colors, except I wear jeans maybe 2 or 3 times a month & I do have some "unyielding opinions" on certain things. Then again, the author of that quiz seems to have plenty of unyielding opinions of her own.

I thought some of these things sounded familiar. Creepy stuff, really. I read the e-book that someone posted and it was really strange. I mean a symbol of being a leader of the family?? Eek.

Edit: I'm a frumper lover - yay!!

[ADoyle90815]

Femininty Check List

__I wear my hair in a feminine style

Probably not enough for fundies as it's chin length.

__I shower everyday.

Only if I'm feeling stinky such as after working out, otherwise I can go every other day.

__My hair looks healthy, it has shine.

Yes, but I don't wash it every day, which tends to dry my hair

__I look in the mirror several times a day, to see if hair needs fixing.

No, don't need to with my haircut the way it is.

__I don’t wear makeup.

No, at the very least, I wear mascara and lipstick

__I only wear enough makeup to look my best.

I only wear it to enhance my natural features

__I don’t wear masculine type clothes.

No, If you consider pants "masculine," then I'm guilty

__I wear feminine dresses at home.

No, it's not practical. In the summer, I'm more comfortable if I sleep naked

__I don’t have feminine clothes, but plan to buy or make them.

I do buy clothes occasionally

__My shoes look feminine.

Huh? The only thing about my shoes is that they're from the women's section of the shoe store

__My purses look feminine.

I didn't know there was a masculine purse

__I wear scarves or ribbons and lace trimmed items.

No. The only time I wear a scarf is if it's cold outside, and Hell No to ribbons or lace trimmed crap.

Do you make the following mistakes?

__Use your hands in a brusk, firm manner.

Yes

__Walk with a heavy gait.

Sometimes

__Walk with long strides.

Often

__Masculine tone in your voice.

What?

__Yell.

Yes

__Laugh loudly.

Yes! Laughter is the best medicine and keeps depression away

__Laugh with mouth wide open.

Hell yes

__Eat noisily.

No, not really

__Shake hands with an overly firm grasp.

I don't see anything wrong with a firm handshake

__Slap men on the back.

Yes, I've done that, in a playful manner

__Sit with legs apart.

Occasionally

__Give pushy advice.

Occasionally

__Demand your way.

When I need to be, hell yes! I'm not a doormat

__Have unyielding opinions.

Yes

__Critical in conversation.

Yes, I was taught to think for myself and not to blindly accept what someone says as fact

__Harsh facial expressions.

Sometimes it's needed to get my point across, so yes

[luckylassie]

What qualities do Quiverfulls or A.T.I. participants see as "feminine". I rarely wear a skirt or anything like it. My hair is short and I cut it. Sometimes I wear makeup. I don't demand attention but if I need to get your attention I won't be soft about it.

[loveandwar]

__I wear my hair in a feminine style

It needs to get cut, and it's like 1000 degrees here, so I throw it in a ponytail or messy bun pretty much everyday. Does that count?

__I shower everyday.

Almost every day...

__My hair looks healthy, it has shine.

I guess so...?

__I look in the mirror several times a day, to see if hair needs fixing.

See, that's the beauty of a ponytail. I don't have to do that.

__I don’t wear makeup.

It depends on my mood. Some days I don't feel like wearing it.

__I only wear enough makeup to look my best.

See above answer. Whether I wear makeup or not depends on my mood.

__I don’t wear masculine type clothes.

Define "masculine type clothes". My blue jeans, shorts, and tshirts were all purchased in the women's department.

__I wear feminine dresses at home.

...no. I wear my workout clothes at home. They're super comfortable.

__I don’t have feminine clothes, but plan to buy or make them.

I'm pretty sure your definition of feminine and mine are 2 totally different things.

__My shoes look feminine.

Again, all my shoes were purchased in the women's department.

__My purses look feminine.

Um, sure?

__I wear scarves or ribbons and lace trimmed items.

I will sometimes wear a cute scarf with a tshirt if it's cold outside and the tshirt needs some dressing up. Ribbons? Lace trimmed items? HAHAHA.

__Use your hands in a brusk, firm manner.

Sometimes, I guess.

__Walk with a heavy gait.

I'm not quite sure what she means. Stomping? I only do that if I'm really angry, and then I'm usually by myself.

__Walk with long strides.

Sometimes.

__Masculine tone in your voice.

Not sure, never paid attention to that.

__Yell.

Sometimes.

__Laugh loudly.

Is there another way to laugh? Heck yeah!

__Laugh with mouth wide open.

Yep.

__Eat noisily.

Not really.

__Shake hands with an overly firm grasp.

Yep.

__Slap men on the back.

I swatted my best guy friend on the shoulder when he was teasing me the other day, so I suppose that would be a yes...

__Sit with legs apart.

Sometimes.

__Give pushy advice.

Define "pushy", because I'm pretty sure we have 2 different definitions.

__Demand your way.

Only on certain issues.

__Have unyielding opinions.

See above. Only on certain issues.

__Critical in conversation.

If you mean "critical" as in "critical thinking", then yes.

__Harsh facial expressions.

Sometimes it's needed to make a point, so yes.

[maybeizfundie]

What qualities do Quiverfulls or A.T.I. participants see as "feminine". I rarely wear a skirt or anything like it. My hair is short and I cut it. Sometimes I wear makeup. I don't demand attention but if I need to get your attention I won't be soft about it.

I don't know about ATI (seems to me ATI would favor longer hair and mostly or only dresses/skirts for women), but QF families vary.

I've seen plenty of short hair and pants-wearing among QF women.

Probably because ATI is a solid organization with rules about every aspect of lifestyle, and QF focuses most on the birth control/family size issue. They overlap sometimes, but they aren't synonymous.

[whirlygirly]

I was thinking about this after I posted last night. It's really interesting what different people consider "feminine." I mean these bloggers are always saying women should wear xxx because it's more feminine, and yet they wear these shapeless sack dresses that seem designed to hide the fact that they're female. But look at, for example, Katy Perry- I would consider her style to be ultra-feminine, what with the hair and makeup and dresses and heels. But I know that most fundies find her appalling- do they consider her "unfeminine" as well? I wear a lot of skirts, and most are just-below-knee length, but I choose ones that accent my curves and swing when I walk. That, to me, is feminine. I like floral prints, but bold, graphic florals, not demure calicos. I wear fitted tops with my skirts, to show that I have a waist (conversely, with skinny jeans I like to wear slouchy tops- it's all about proportion). And where do these fundie bloggers get off talking about feminine shoes, when I only ever see them wearing shoes that could best be described as "comfortable"? After all, we've all snarked on the denim skirt with sneakers combo. I wear heels most of the time (I'm five feet tall), but I favor ones with a bit of punk or biker edge to them- would that be considered unfeminine? I mean there's no way they would be confused with men's shoes. How about metallics, or glitter?

__Have unyielding opinions.

OK, seriously? Show me one fundie blogger that this one does not apply to. Yes, I have some strongly held opinions that I won't change, but I'm willing to listen to opposing viewpoints (provided they're presented as reasonable arguments and not just foaming at the mouth or straw men). I also have some opinions that have evolved over the years, or have changed based on new information or even after someone pointed out an aspect I hadn't considered before. But how many bloggers have we seen label ANY dissenting opinion as "persecution" and refuse to listen to even a word of it? Only way some of them would ever change an opinion is if their husbands told them to. Even then I'm sure they'd have to pray on it. :)

[The Authoress]

__I wear my hair in a feminine style

Depends on what you consider feminine...I wear it down almost everyday.

__I shower everyday.

I almost have, otherwise my hair gets too greasy.

__My hair looks healthy, it has shine.

I would like to think so.

__I look in the mirror several times a day, to see if hair needs fixing.

Nope.

__I don’t wear makeup.

I only wear make up to special events, so for the most part no, I do not wear makeup.

__I only wear enough makeup to look my best.

Correct. But only on occasion.

__I don’t wear masculine type clothes.

I but clothes from the women's departments of stores so no, however I do own a lot of gender neutral t-shirts from high school and college.

__I wear feminine dresses at home.

Absolutely not.

__I don’t have feminine clothes, but plan to buy or make them.

Buy them, yes. Make them? Hell no.

__My shoes look feminine.

Only my summer flip flops look remotely feminine. When it gets cooler out or when I'm working I wear gym shoes.

__My purses look feminine.

Since when do purses look masculine?

__I wear scarves or ribbons and lace trimmed items.

I'm guilty of wearing those fashionable scarves, I can't help it I love the style and they're so colorful.

Do you make the following mistakes?

__Use your hands in a brusk, firm manner.

Yes, yes I do.

__Walk with a heavy gait.

I walk quickly to get where I'm going.

__Walk with long strides.

No, short legs.

__Masculine tone in your voice.

I don't think so.

__Yell.

Yes! And swear! Sometimes it's the best way to make your point. Oh my bad, women aren't supposed to be making points are they?

__Laugh loudly.

All the time! With my group of friends it's almost a requirement.

__Laugh with mouth wide open.

Yep!

__Eat noisily.

I try not to, but sometimes it can't be helped.

__Shake hands with an overly firm grasp.

I think my handshake is fairly normal.

__Slap men on the back.

I have one guy friend I'm close enough with to to slap him on the back. Otherwise no, I don't slap anyone else on the back.

__Sit with legs apart.

Guilty!

__Give pushy advice.

I try not, but sometimes it happens.

__Demand your way.

I'm right 100% of the time, so yes, yes I do! (Just kidding ;) )

__Have unyielding opinions.

I'm a very open-minded person, but I'm not going to fall for just anything. So yes, on many things I am unwavering unless you can prove to me I'm wrong.

__Critical in conversation.

Psssh. It happens.

__Harsh facial expressions.

I'm the queen of mean expressions and dirty looks!

[GenerationCedarchip]

Okay - I'll play!

Femininty Check List

I wear my hair in a feminine style

It's just below the shoulder which I would call feminine, but it's been hot as Hades all summer so it's usually in a ponytail.

I shower everyday.

Yes - mostly because of that whole hot as Hades summer

My hair looks healthy, it has shine.

Usually. Sometimes it also has bits of cat drool.

I look in the mirror several times a day, to see if hair needs fixing.

Hah.

I don’t wear makeup.

I'm Southern. Of course I have on makeup.

I only wear enough makeup to look my best.

Well, I was born a woman so my dream of being a drag queen was cruelly dashed. No point in overdoing the makeup now. :D

I don’t wear masculine type clothes.

With a 30G chest, I don't think much of anything will make me look masculine.

I wear feminine dresses at home.

I actually do wear skirts and dresses a lot.

I don’t have feminine clothes, but plan to buy or make them.

The thought of wearing anything that came off of my sewing machine would strike fear in anyone's heart. Thankfully, I already have feminine clothing.

My shoes look feminine.

I suppose. I do wear heels to work most days.

My purses look feminine.

I carry a purse, so I guess that makes it feminine. It's not really frilly, though.

I wear scarves or ribbons and lace trimmed items.

I wear scarves most of the time in fall/winter. I retired the ribbons after high school, though.

Use your hands in a brusk, firm manner.

??? I don't think so?

Walk with a heavy gait.

I try my best to flit like a gazelle through the courthouse at all times.

Walk with long strides.

I'm not nearly tall enough to take long strides without dislocating a hip.

Masculine tone in your voice.

I sing soprano.

Yell.

Not in general.

Laugh loudly.

If the joke is funny enough I will.

Laugh with mouth wide open.

Of course I do. I don't hide my enjoyment of life when it's called for. :lol:

Eat noisily.

No - that would scare my cats

Shake hands with an overly firm grasp.

No

Slap men on the back.

Maybe if they were choking?

Sit with legs apart.

Not in general.

Give pushy advice.

Probably on occasion, but usually just with my clients when they're really trying my patience

Demand your way.

I'm a litigator; Isn't this redundant?

Have unyielding opinions.

Sure, about certain topics.

Critical in conversation.

Umm.... :oops:

Harsh facial expressions.

Probably not most of the time, but I'm trying to master this one :twisted: for certain selected people I deal with.

[gilora]

Femininty Check List

__I wear my hair in a feminine style

Chin-length bob, so probably not.

__I shower everyday.

Yes but don't men shower every day?

__My hair looks healthy, it has shine.

I guess, I don't really check.

__I look in the mirror several times a day, to see if hair needs fixing.

Never.

__I don’t wear makeup.

I wear makeup on workdays.

__I only wear enough makeup to look my best.

I guess.

__I don’t wear masculine type clothes.

Pants/shorts and a shirt most days, so I guess not.

__I wear feminine dresses at home.

Nope.

__I don’t have feminine clothes, but plan to buy or make them.

Nope.

__My shoes look feminine.

Nope. I buy shoes for comfort.

__My purses look feminine.

Carry a soft-side briefcase, so no.

__I wear scarves or ribbons and lace trimmed items.

Gah!

The true characteristics of a feminine nature are :

Weakness --nope.

Submissiveness -- my husband will answer that question once I let him out of the basement :lol:

Dependency - -- I'm the family breadwinner

Tenderness -- I like to think so, but I wasn't aware this was a uniquely feminine trait

Fearfulness -- sometimes, but usually only about my kids, Again, I had no idea men don't feel fear.

So despite my lady bits it seems I'm a dude. My OB/GYN has been ripping me off all these years! :o

[AmandaP]

__I wear my hair in a feminine style

Only if super-short and styled in a faux-hawk counts

__I shower everyday.

And twice on Sunday.

__My hair looks healthy, it has shine.

Never has and never will. It is coarsely textured.

__I look in the mirror several times a day, to see if hair needs fixing.

No.

__I don’t wear makeup.

I do wear makeup.

__I only wear enough makeup to look my best.

I've no idea. I wear as much as I have the patience for (usually just mascara).

__I don’t wear masculine type clothes.

Definitions please. I'm usually in a skirt or dress but often wear shorts, khakis, or jeans.

__I wear feminine dresses at home.

I wear dresses at home AND abroad but they are not exceptionally feminine (durable fabrics and usually black).

__I don’t have feminine clothes, but plan to buy or make them.

Not making clothes. No way. No how. I loathe sewing.

__My shoes look feminine.

I'm usually sporting my Vibram Five Fingers, so my shoes look weird.

__My purses look feminine.

One does, but I usually carry a generic messenger bag.

__I wear scarves or ribbons and lace trimmed items.

No. I wear warm scarves in winter (sometimes), and never wear ribbons or lace.

__Use your hands in a brusk, firm manner.

Yes. I'm strong. It shows.

__Walk with a heavy gait.

No.

__Walk with long strides.

When I'm in a hurry or in my high-heeled boots.

__Masculine tone in your voice.

You tell me, because I've no clue what you mean.

__Yell.

Only when the kids are really annoying me.

__Laugh loudly.

And often!

__Laugh with mouth wide open.

If I am really amused.

__Eat noisily.

No.

__Shake hands with an overly firm grasp.

Oh yes.

__Slap men on the back.

Only when the occasion calls for it (a particularly good play in volleyball, a really successful climb, etc...)

__Sit with legs apart.

Not usually.

__Give pushy advice.

No.

__Demand your way.

Only when it's the right way.

__Have unyielding opinions.

Unyielding except in the face of persuasive logic.

__Critical in conversation.

I need context. Critical of what or whom? Still, I'm OK with a blanket "yes."

__Harsh facial expressions.

I am terrible at hiding my feelings, so yes.

[Lillian]

So despite my lady bits it seems I'm a dude. My OB/GYN has been ripping me off all these years! :o

Lmao :lol: :lol:

[EllieCee]

I wear my hair in a feminine style

What counts as a feminine style? My hair is always down or in a ponytail. Is that feminine?

I shower everyday.

This, I do. I'm very, very hygienic. I'm paranoid of body odor.

My hair looks healthy, it has shine.

Yeah. It's because the most I do is wash and brush it.

I look in the mirror several times a day, to see if hair needs fixing.

Not really.

I don’t wear makeup.

Right, I don't.

I only wear enough makeup to look my best.

That contradicts the previous question.

I don’t wear masculine type clothes.

Most of the clothes I wear home are masculine. Basketball shorts and big shirts. I only dress feminine if I'm going out or something's happening at home. Sometimes, I'm just in sweats going out anyway.

I wear feminine dresses at home.

I'm at home. I don't give a fuck. While admittedly, my clothes still have to match, I like to be as comfortable as possible. So, NO.

I don’t have feminine clothes, but plan to buy or make them.

What exactly counts as feminine?

My shoes look feminine.

My flats and one pair of heels, I guess. Unless you count Uggs and moccasins as feminine.

My purses look feminine.

How does a purse look feminine? Both my purses are faux-leather and gray-colored, so it matches most of my clothes. Does that count as feminine, or does it have to be frilly?

I wear scarves or ribbons and lace trimmed items.

I have a wool scarf. But it's solid black. I don't wear ribbons, as I find them ugly. Lace trimmed? Do panties count?

Use your hands in a brusk, firm manner.

When I'm angry, yeah.

Walk with a heavy gait.

When I'm in pain. Or feeling lazy.

Walk with long strides.

Yes.

Masculine tone in your voice.

What kind of masculine tone, exactly? My voice is naturally low.

Yell.

All the time.

Laugh loudly.

All the time.

Laugh with mouth wide open.

All the time.

Eat noisily.

When I'm insanely hungry and with people I'm comfortable with.

Shake hands with an overly firm grasp.

Yeah, sometimes.

Slap men on the back.

Yup.

Sit with legs apart.

That, I do.

Give pushy advice.

My friends know me for this.

Demand your way.

Again, my friends and family know me for this.

Have unyielding opinions.

Always. Unless someone brings up the persuasive contrary.

Critical in conversation.

I love a good debate.

Harsh facial expressions.

In bright lights. I get migraines easily.

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So, I guess I'm a guy! My doctor got it wrong all along.

[thoughtful]

Femininty Check List

Um, is it supposed to display greater femininity by misspelling "femininity"? If so, count me out!

I believe it is a mix of femininity and minty.

Minty-fresh womanhood! :lol:

[ladypuglover]

I believe it is a mix of femininity and minty.

Minty-fresh womanhood! :lol:

:shock: I am not sticking breathmints down there, sorry. :snooty: :naughty:

[muffynbear]

I wear my hair in a feminine style

I wear my hair down during the way and in a pony-tail at night.

I shower everyday.

Yes, because I work out a lot and I don't want to smell like B.O.

My hair looks healthy, it has shine.

My hair is very thick, but shiny? Meh, I don't know. I brush it.

I look in the mirror several times a day, to see if hair needs fixing.

Sometimes.

I don’t wear makeup.

I wear make-up during the day to look professional and presentable. Outside of work, I wear no make-up whatsoever.

I only wear enough makeup to look my best.

Again, I only wear make-up at my job.

I don’t wear masculine type clothes.

Well, my preferred wardrobe consists of sweatpants, yoga pants, jeans etc.

I wear feminine dresses at home.

Hell No! See above. Sweatpants, shorts, yoga pants.Why would I dress up just to lounge around the house?

I don’t have feminine clothes, but plan to buy or make them.

I have SOME feminine clothes, which are reserved for going out or work.

My shoes look feminine.

Yes, they do look feminine- casual, but feminine.

My purses look feminine.

Aren't most purses feminine by default?

I wear scarves or ribbons and lace trimmed items.

I wear scarves in the winters. Do you mean lace undies? I may have a pair laying around ;)

Use your hands in a brusk, firm manner.

Yep, when I'm pissed. Does flipping the bird count? I have a terrible habit of doing this when I'm driving.

Walk with a heavy gait.

I guess so.

Walk with long strides.

Why is this question even relevant?

Masculine tone in your voice.

Who cares?

Yell.

Constantly.

Laugh loudly.

Of course.

Laugh with mouth wide open.

All the time.

Eat noisily.

Yes, when I'm starving!

Shake hands with an overly firm grasp.

No, because I'm a germ-a-phobe.

Slap men on the back.

No.

Sit with legs apart.

Yes, when I'm wearing jeans.

Give pushy advice.

On occasion.

Demand your way.

Oh yeah! I know what I want and am not afraid to make it known!

Have unyielding opinions.

You bet and I'm not ashamed to stand up for what I believe in.

Critical in conversation.

Always. Since when is critical thinking a BAD thing?

Harsh facial expressions.

All the time. I think I roll my eyes on a daily basis.

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[wtfrenchtoast]

Femininty Check List

I wear my hair in a feminine style

I guess. I'm lucky if I brush it every day. Usually it's just down, with no real 'style' to it.

I shower everyday.

No, I don't. Some days I just don't feel like it.

My hair looks healthy, it has shine.

Probably not. My hair is insanely dry.

I look in the mirror several times a day, to see if hair needs fixing.

Not even close.

I don’t wear makeup.

Never. I really mean that.

I only wear enough makeup to look my best.

I never wear make up. I think it's a waste of time. I probably won't even want to wear make up on my wedding day.

I don’t wear masculine type clothes.

Like someone said above, my clothes come from the girls' section. So, I guess.

I wear feminine dresses at home.

No. Skirts and dresses make me feel more exposed. I rock the short shorts at home. And mostly everywhere else too.

I don’t have feminine clothes, but plan to buy or make them.

Just curious, what woman doesn't have at least some feminine clothes?

My shoes look feminine.

Yeah, I guess multicolored flip flops are pretty girly.

My purses look feminine.

Sure. Although I'm not really a purse person so much as a tote bag person.

I wear scarves or ribbons and lace trimmed items.

I was never really into scarves. But I love sexy lace or lace-trimmed underwear...oops, did I just defraud someone?

Use your hands in a brusk, firm manner.

Seriously, what does this even mean?

Walk with a heavy gait.

...No?

Walk with long strides.

Well that does tend to happen when you have long legs, you see.

Masculine tone in your voice.

I don't think so.

Yell.

Rarely.

Laugh loudly.

Sometimes.

Laugh with mouth wide open.

I laugh with my mouth open at a normal laughing width? I don't overdo it one way or the other.

Eat noisily.

When I'm alone, sometimes.

Shake hands with an overly firm grasp.

Firm yes, but not overly firm.

Slap men on the back.

I don't slap anyone.

Sit with legs apart.

Maybe if it's the most comfortable option. Usually it's not.

Give pushy advice.

Not really

Demand your way.

I never was like that, no.

Have unyielding opinions.

On some things, yes.

Critical in conversation.

Not in general.

Harsh facial expressions.

My normal facial expression is probably rather off-putting. I don't think I look too approachable when my face is just normal. Does that count as harsh?

[penguinagogo]

Femininty Check List

I wear my hair in a feminine style

its long, with a natural curl. I wear it up - half bun, twist or gretchen plaits most of the time

I shower everyday.

Yes- but this is basic human hygeine surely? do guys get a pass on that?

My hair looks healthy, it has shine.

yes, but only when I dont style it or mess with it too much

I look in the mirror several times a day, to see if hair needs fixing.

Why? negates the point of a low maintenance updo

I don’t wear makeup.

Not on a daily basis, i dont see I need to

I only wear enough makeup to look my best.

Well, If I am going to wear makeup at all I do totally change my look. Nothing halfhearted - think doug playing dressup!

I don’t wear masculine type clothes.

Like most people here - they are made for/cut to fit/sold as female clothes. But I like tailoring and trousers

I wear feminine dresses at home.

Occasionally. But Ive noticed if I wear skirts all the time I tend to work out less and put on belly weight so I try not to

I don’t have feminine clothes, but plan to buy or make them.

I make costumes. I actually have some regency style dresses,and a panniered hoopskirt and overdress I made - circa 1770s style. With bucketloads of lace and ribbons. I am proud of this. Am planning on making a proper saq dress next. Does that count?

My shoes look feminine.

I like shoes and have some lovely pairs, but day to day dont wear heels very often.

My purses look feminine.

Some of them. But a lot of the time I carry a lovely manbag that Mr Penguin rejected....

I wear scarves or ribbons and lace trimmed items.

Apart from an occasional scarf in the cold, lace and ribbons are confined to the historic costumes above. And sexy underwhorage

Use your hands in a brusk, firm manner.

I tend to talk with them, ccasionally forcefully. What is she getting at here? I dont break fine china....

Walk with a heavy gait.

I float... I mince...I sashay.. I prance....

Walk with long strides.

I have short legs.I look pretty silly if i try and the resultant wiggle build up its own frequency of momentum. So most of the time I run about like a little kid trying to catch up

Masculine tone in your voice.

I have a pretty low voice for a woman. Think Honor Blackman or Mariella Frostrup. This has proved very popular and I get compliments. Im often asked to do public readings/presentations. I make no effort to raise it to emulate the giddy heights of powderpuff femininity.

Yell.

If neccesary, I can project!

Laugh loudly.

I tend to laugh honestly and openly.

Laugh with mouth wide open.

I dont titter behind my hand

Eat noisily.

No, I like table manners. But I would hold a chap to the same standards

Shake hands with an overly firm grasp.

Possibly

Slap men on the back.

Only if they are choking

Sit with legs apart.

Possibly. Thats the beauty of trousers

Give pushy advice.

If asked to give advice I will be straightforward and honest and probably not bother with sugarcoating . I try not to give unsolicited advice. If you want to define that as pushy, be my guest

Demand your way.

If its something that matters strongly I will make a case for it being done my way. But there is usually willingness to compromise and negociate like an adult.

Have unyielding opinions.

On some principles yes. Mostly about men and women being human beings with equal capacities for intelligence

Critical in conversation.

If neccesary. But I dont bitch or gossip

Harsh facial expressions.

Possibly, but mostly Im pretty cheery and smiling. I mean a real smile, not a practiced keeping sweet pout.

Tenderness - fine. But guys should be able to express this too

Dependancy, Weakness, Fearfulness, Submissiveness are not character traits I would count as positives

Seriously, if a man is attracted to a sly, faking mommet who conceals her personality and intelligence, her thoughts, her opinions, supresses any genuine laughter, concerns herself only with the projection of that false image, primping, dressing up, guarding her manners to make herself a caricature of a woman, then he's welcome to it. I'll stick to men who dont want to go out with drag queens...