Lori: Preparing kids to be missionaries in public schools

[lilwriter85]

New dumb fuck posting by Lori.

llorialexander.blogspot.com/2013/01/stealing-our-children.html

We need to send our children into the public schools to be witnesses for Jesus. I have heard this reasoning many times from parents who send their children into public schools.

However, in order to prepare missionaries for the mission field, it takes lot of time, sometimes many years. They have to be taught the ways of the culture they are going to and they need to be strong in their faith. Our young children are not strong in their faith and do we want them to know the ways of their peers? Besides, if they speak about Jesus or pray, they will be kicked out. They are not to be open about their faith in any way.

Here are some words written by Nancy Campbell, a woman I greatly admire. She has been an older woman teaching me for many years. Ponder her words carefully ~

How can it be that parents living in USA,

who love God and confess they believe the Bible,

send their children into the public education system

that does not believe the Bible?

How can parents who believe in prayer,

send their children into schools where they are not allowed to pray?

How can God-fearing parents who love to speak about

Jesus send their children into schools where,

by law, they are not allowed to confess that Jesus is Lord?

Why do they send them to be educated by the ungodly

who scorn the existence of God and the truth of biblical family?

Why do they want them to be daily brain-washed in humanism and socialism?

Why do they want their children to receive an

opposite message to what they receive at home?

Public schools aren't mission fields. They are places of education. Lori also doesn't realize or refuses to acknowledge that not every public school child is Christian. I guess she would be ok with Jewish or Muslim children being harrassed by little Christian missionaries.

[lilwriter85]

Lori gives a shout out and praise to the Duggars.

Lori Alexander · 17 hours ago

There are many parents raising great children homeschooling them like the Duggers. Their children are amazing. Being influenced and trained by you is much better than being influenced and trained by their peers!

What is so amazing about the Duggar children? Let's see, Jill is a lay midwife which is very risky and the chances of her being sued are pretty high. Joshie boy pretends to run a car lot that is actually owned by Boob. Boob set up John David in a towing business. The other daughters who are over 18 have no work history. We can't forget about the involvement with CollegeMinus.

[fakepigtails73]

As would be said by Dutch in "The Shield": "You have got to be shitting me!!"

Lori: please leave ALL, EACH and EVERY religion out of US public schools!!

Out of all crazy Titus2 women we snark on here, I admit that Lori A is the one that pisses me off the most. Yes, more than Zsu. While Frau Anderson is often batshit insane with the paranoid nutter stuff she writes, I feel that deep down there still is a side of her that can be "redeemed" (hate that word, but I can't think of a synonym right now). In the case of Lori, she reeks of hypocrisy and many of her posts remind me of the writings of anti-suffragettes during the battle for the women's right to vote in the US. A while back I did a school project on anti-suffrage women activists and I detect the same type of anger, pretentiousness and self-hate in Lori's spiels...

All in all, I find Lori more dangerous because she says that she mentors a few young married women. Zsu is a "pastor's wife", if we can call PP a pastor, but I doubt that she has much influence with other women one on one.

[amydamy]

My brother and I were one of the few kids at our church who attended public school. They were always going on to us about being missionaries in school. Their big thing was evolution and dinosaurs and how we should tell our teachers they were wrong when they tried to teach us about that stuff. We did precisely zero witnessing in school and am grateful I went to the good public school I did and not the crappy christian school they all did.

[jenny_islander]

Being kicked out for prayer is an outright lie! Teachers cannot tell children to pray. School adminstrators cannot tell children to pray. They also cannot tell children not to pray. This is what it means to have separation between church and state.

I grew up in the godless Madonna-soaked '80s. Kids said grace in the lunchroom all the time. None of the grown-ups said word one about it. Of course, they also didn't lead the lunchroom in prayer, because they were not to enforce their religious views upon students.

Kids are also allowed to talk about Jesus, just not during class time because class time is for learning academic subjects. Off-topic discussion of any subject is discouraged for the same reason.

Also, missionaries? Really? I had one of these little missionaries fresh from homeschool as a classmate in junior high. She was ignorant and arrogant--okay, so was I, we were all preteen snots--but she was also honestly shocked to find out that I was already Christian. Like, you know, nearly everyone in town--in the borough--in the state--in the nation. She went silent and big-eyed when I rebuffed her invitation to her Baptist splinter church with the comment that I already went to church every single Sunday at the same time. Apparently she had been told that the Lutheran church only had services on Christmas and Easter and only so people could look good going. Or something.

If you're going to send your kids to have battles of wits with the Great Unclean Mass of Humanity . . . don't sent them unarmed. And don't lie to them.

[Jinger Jar]

As a Catholic who was first hired by a public school in 1985 and who has taught solely in public schools since 2002, I can testify that not one of the assertions put forward by Nancy Campbell are true. Lori needs a new mentor, someone who can do more than spout right-wing scare words.

Lori is right about one thing - parents have no business sending their kids into public schools as mini-missionaries. It's not appropriate at all to expect that of children.

[lilwriter85]

As would be said by Dutch in "The Shield": "You have got to be shitting me!!"

Lori: please leave ALL, EACH and EVERY religion out of US public schools!!

Out of all crazy Titus2 women we snark on here, I admit that Lori A is the one that pisses me off the most. Yes, more than Zsu. While Frau Anderson is often batshit insane with the paranoid nutter stuff she writes, I feel that deep down there still is a side of her that can be "redeemed" (hate that word, but I can't think of a synonym right now). In the case of Lori, she reeks of hypocrisy and many of her posts remind me of the writings of anti-suffragettes during the battle for the women's right to vote in the US. A while back I did a school project on anti-suffrage women activists and I detect the same type of anger, pretentiousness and self-hate in Lori's spiels...

All in all, I find Lori more dangerous because she says that she mentors a few young married women. Zsu is a "pastor's wife", if we can call PP a pastor, but I doubt that she has much influence with other women one on one.

I guess Lori could be considered a pastor's wife, her husband has master's of divinity degree that was mentioned on his business site. Lori admitted on her blog that a few couples rejected her and Ken's mentoring. She has managed to have influence on others. I also think some of her readers have been turned off by her. I sometimes look at the blogs of some of her commenters. I remember one blogger had just found Lori's blog and said something like, "I think I will enjoy this blog." This woman seemed very mainstream Christian and they were things about her family that I'm sure Lori wouldn't like. I don't think that blogger ever commented again on Lori's blog. In some ways, Lori pisses me more than Zsu or the stinking housewife. Zsu focuses on her hate of public schools and leaves it at that. Lori doesn't, she talks about public schools being mission fields or places to witness to others. Her replies on the comment section seem ridiculous or exaggerated.

The Christian high school my children went to was not nearly as bad as the public school. Porn, rape, drugs and drinking would get children expelled immediately. I never heard of rape happening at the school. All the teachers were Christians and carefully monitored the children's activity. Sure there were some godless children, but there were many godly children who came from homes where their parents protected them. Boys going to the public junior highs and high schools will be exposed to A LOT of porn. That didn't happen in the Christian school.

I'm pretty sure porn probably does get seen in Christian schools, the boys don't get caught.

Lori Alexander · 7 hours ago

I agree with you. Several years ago, I asked my relatives if they knew any Christian children who went to the public high school and graduated as strong believers. They couldn't think of one. Very sad.

[jenny_islander]

It couldn't possibly be because adolescents question everything about their upbringing on a temporary basis, could it?

Oh, right, adolescence doesn't exist. There never was a term for "rather unfinished adult-shaped person." Like, I dunno, "youth." Or "maiden."

[ILoveJellybeans]

Way to use innocent children to further your agenda...and way to set your children up for being unpopular because none of the other children want to be preached at.

The school system isnt a living being, so it cant believe in the Bible. Christianity is not taught as fact because of the seperation of church and state, and how it is unfair to other religions (which have just as much proof as Christianity).

Children are allowed to pray in school, in their own time, just not during class. They are also not forced to pray, because it is unfair on non Christians.

Kids are allowed to say that Jesus is Lord if they want to, they can even set up a club for Christian students. The school doesnt teach it though because not everyone is Christian.

Not all teachers scorn the existence of God or support things other than the Biblical model of family (which coincidentally doesnt mention polygamy or arranged marriage, which both have been mentioned in the Bible). Some are Christian, however they are not allowed to push religious or political agendas on the kids, and should be respectful to students of all different backgrounds. This is because not everyone has a mom and a dad, and not everyone is straight, but everyone has equal rights to an education.

Children arent brainwashed into humanism and socialism. Unless you mean how teachers expect their students to be nice to eachother and share their toys, and how they arent having God shoved down their throats.

Children dont recieve the opposite message to what they recieve at home. Schools dont tell kids that God doesnt exist or that their religion is wrong, they are just not allowed to endorse one religion over all the others. Schools have to teach evolution, as it is a scientific fact.

[merrily]

Would she agree with Muslim/Jewish/Hindu/Buddhists/Pagan/ect. parents prepping their kids to 'witness' their fellow classmates?

[YPestis]

I'm not upset by the idea of sending kids out to be missionaries. it's alright if she wants her kids to talk about their religion. However, I fear that her kids will be ill prepared for the public school, and not just academically. Just her post about how kids are not allowed to talk about God or pray shows me how misinformed her children are.

Talking about one's religion is allowed but others may disagree or argue back. That is not the same as persecution. Praying is allowed individually but Lori's children can't ask the teacher to lead the class in prayer anymore than a muslim kid can ask the teacher to lead the class in prayer (which would give Lori an aneurysm).

I think Lori and fundies of her ilk confuse diversity of religion with anti-christian persecution. To these fringe fundies, anything less than state-sanctioned religious activity is a sign of persecution of Christian. Anything less than full enforcement of Christian activity is a sign of persecution. Their kids will be in for a surprise when they find that fellow students also consider themselves Christian and attend church. They may even find children praying before lunch. I can't imagine what her kids will do if they meet a nonChristian kid who is nice and doesn't have horns growing out of their heads....

[salex]

The Christian high school my children went to was not nearly as bad as the public school. Porn, rape, drugs and drinking would get children expelled immediately. I never heard of rape happening at the school. All the teachers were Christians and carefully monitored the children's activity. Sure there were some godless children, but there were many godly children who came from homes where their parents protected them. Boys going to the public junior highs and high schools will be exposed to A LOT of porn. That didn't happen in the Christian school.

Meanwhile, while I was in grad school, a friend of mine who was sent to a Christian school told of quietly taking up a collection without the school's knowledge to help pay for one of the girl's abortion, since it would have been proof she had sinned by having sex and she would have been so very punished.... he, who was pretty clearly gay but still didn't want to admit it, planned to marry a girl he knew, but live a chaste marriage with her (didn't want to dirty her with sex, ever) but eventually, he stabbed a porn store clerk to death and went to prison.......

I'm pretty sure porn probably does get seen in Christian schools, the boys don't get caught.

Lori Alexander · 7 hours ago

I agree with you. Several years ago, I asked my relatives if they knew any Christian children who went to the public high school and graduated as strong believers. They couldn't think of one. Very sad.

[salex]

Out of all crazy Titus2 women we snark on here, I admit that Lori A is the one that pisses me off the most.

I am relatively new to this forum, and to reading these women's blogs, but so far, I agree. She makes me want to smack her, or find her hidden bottle of vodka or something......

[amydamy]

The kids who went to the school I mentioned above included the assistant pastors daughter who got pregnant at 16 and his son who was caught having sex in the back corridors of the mall. All the stuff going on at a public HS is happening at the christian ones too. The pastors daughter who got pregnant was a champ at getting me and the other girls at church blamed for stuff she did. The pregnancy was the first thing she couldn't pass off on to someone else.

[lilwriter85]

Out of all crazy Titus2 women we snark on here, I admit that Lori A is the one that pisses me off the most.

I am relatively new to this forum, and to reading these women's blogs, but so far, I agree. She makes me want to smack her, or find her hidden bottle of vodka or something......

Welcome to the forum. I also want to smack Lori at times.

[Phukktifano]

When I was in second grade a boy I was friends with declined my invitation to a church ice cream party. He then foolishly admitted that he never went to church and didn't know who Jesus was. I remember being in shock but knowing just what I had to do, I had to save Austin from hell. I became a witness to my school with the full support of my church and church family handing out pamphlets, telling people I was praying for them, warning them about the danger of not knowing Christ. My worry over their souls literally made me sick. It took until I moved in highschool for me to stop being 'the jesus freak' even years after I had stopped and even converted to paganism. Seriously. Don't do that to your kids. You are literally putting the weight of keeping their friends out of hell on their very small shoulders at best and at worst your singling them out for mockery.

[miffy]

A very well known Catholic boys school in Melbourne (I don't want to name it, because i'm sure it still goes on) had a black market. It wasn't just the normal thing of being able to buy drugs via 1 or 2 classmates. You could buy pretty much anything illegal, except maybe guns. The school had a well known reputation for being the place to source things amongst private school kids in the eastern suburbs.

Somebody I knew who went there had a high speed internet connection when most people still had 56k. He would download porn, burn it to disc & sell it.

Are religious schools common in the USA? I get the impression they are mainly top tier & too expensive for most of these QF fundies.

[lilith]

As would be said by Dutch in "The Shield": "You have got to be shitting me!!"

Lori: please leave ALL, EACH and EVERY religion out of US public schools!!

Out of all crazy Titus2 women we snark on here, I admit that Lori A is the one that pisses me off the most. Yes, more than Zsu. While Frau Anderson is often batshit insane with the paranoid nutter stuff she writes, I feel that deep down there still is a side of her that can be "redeemed" (hate that word, but I can't think of a synonym right now). In the case of Lori, she reeks of hypocrisy and many of her posts remind me of the writings of anti-suffragettes during the battle for the women's right to vote in the US. A while back I did a school project on anti-suffrage women activists and I detect the same type of anger, pretentiousness and self-hate in Lori's spiels...

All in all, I find Lori more dangerous because she says that she mentors a few young married women. Zsu is a "pastor's wife", if we can call PP a pastor, but I doubt that she has much influence with other women one on one.

I think the difference is that no matter how abhorrent and insane Zsuzsanna's beliefs are, she is sincere and she lives them.

Lori, however, spouts the standard Titus2 party line, but only practices it when it suits her, the best example being that she espouses quiverfull but didn't fill her quiver and is full of justifications why the philosophy applies to everyone but her.

[OnceModestTwiceShy]

A very well known Catholic boys school in Melbourne (I don't want to name it, because i'm sure it still goes on) had a black market. It wasn't just the normal thing of being able to buy drugs via 1 or 2 classmates. You could buy pretty much anything illegal, except maybe guns. The school had a well known reputation for being the place to source things amongst private school kids in the eastern suburbs.

Somebody I knew who went there had a high speed internet connection when most people still had 56k. He would download porn, burn it to disc & sell it.

Are religious schools common in the USA? I get the impression they are mainly top tier & too expensive for most of these QF fundies.

From what I understand, Catholic schools are far less expensive than Protestant ones, at least in my area (Northeastern USA). When I was in HS in the late 90s-early00s, a lot of kids in my area went to Catholic school for at least part of their education - and most were not Catholic. IIRC, tuition was on average $5,500 or so a year, in comparison to around $15,000 a year for a local non-denom Christian school. (I know because I was a huge nerd and I was dying to go to a private school, but it was just not an option for my family.) Their families sent them there because it was a lower-cost alternative to other private schools in the area, but with an equivalent quality of education and the extra allure of being a less "dangerous" environment than the public schools. YMMV.

[amydamy]

From what I understand, Catholic schools are far less expensive than Protestant ones, at least in my area (Northeastern USA). When I was in HS in the late 90s-early00s, a lot of kids in my area went to Catholic school for at least part of their education - and most were not Catholic. IIRC, tuition was on average $5,500 or so a year, in comparison to around $15,000 a year for a local non-denom Christian school. (I know because I was a huge nerd and I was dying to go to a private school, but it was just not an option for my family.) Their families sent them there because it was a lower-cost alternative to other private schools in the area, but with an equivalent quality of education and the extra allure of being a less "dangerous" environment than the public schools. YMMV.

The religious school I went to was part of my IFB church I don't know how much it was but I don't think it was very much they only kids who went there were members of our church. There was no way my parents could have afforded if it was a lot. We did go to another one for a year before we went to public school that was probably more and affiliated with a different IFB. There were a lot of Catholic elementary and middle schools in our county but only one high school. Most kids did the catholic school through middle school and then went to public high school. I took a look and the tuition there is $10,875 per year , the school at my parents IFB church is $7,000 and Christian Brothers Academy a non denominational prep school is $13,650. Just to compare the public schools I went to spends about $13,500 per student.

[Trynn]

As to the Seventh Day Adventist culture I was raised in... I went to SDA schools most of my life, and I can assure you that the same stuff goes on in the religious schools as does in the public schools. It is just more hidden, and even when things DO happen, the school administrators cover it up so they can look good.

I'm told by my best friend's brother that almost everyone in the boys dorm of the Adventist boarding academy I went to was into porn. My best guy friend said he was into porn, but he was smart about it, and only watched/looked at porn he'd borrow from his friends, and that was how he never got caught.

My aunt Beth, who went to Adventist schools as well (she's no longer Adventist) talks about all the things that happened in her school that the school covered up. Like the time someone put weed in the ventilation system, and nobody could figure out what that smell WAS.

In the Christian schools I went to there were drugs, sex, and porn. It was just more hidden, and even the administrators helped in hiding it, at least from the outside world.

What really made me angry, though, was seeing that children who went to public school were put down by other children. You were thought of as less if you went to public school. My cousins went to public school, but they also went to church. I was angry at seeing them mistreated.

[quinoa]

From what I understand, Catholic schools are far less expensive than Protestant ones, at least in my area (Northeastern USA). When I was in HS in the late 90s-early00s, a lot of kids in my area went to Catholic school for at least part of their education - and most were not Catholic. IIRC, tuition was on average $5,500 or so a year, in comparison to around $15,000 a year for a local non-denom Christian school. (I know because I was a huge nerd and I was dying to go to a private school, but it was just not an option for my family.) Their families sent them there because it was a lower-cost alternative to other private schools in the area, but with an equivalent quality of education and the extra allure of being a less "dangerous" environment than the public schools. YMMV.

There is a pretty broad range here on the southern edge of the Bible Belt. I would say the Catholic schools are in the mid-range for price, but on the very low end of price for schools where you can get an actual education. A lot of the top tier expensive schools are protestant, at least in name, and are affiliated with a specific denomination (i.e. anything St. XX Episcopal School is likely to be a very good quality school, possibly quite selective, and not cheap). Then there is a whole tier of super-cheap generically "Christian" schools where you can send your kid to get the approximate equivalent of a SOTDRT education. From the outside, their primary focus appears to be teaching children to feel superior to others for being "True Christians," making fun of schools that teach about evolution and actual world history, and covering up all the hilariously immoral scandals their high school students get involved in. These are the same sorts of things that all teenagers get involved in, except these are served with a side of guilt and smug nonsense, as opposed to a side of actual education. I sometimes also think there's a subtle racist component to choosing one of these generic "Christian" schools as they tend to be mostly white and keep kids of of public schools where "bad influence" tends to be code for "brown" or "black."

[1CrazyMama]

I wish any of these people would send their children to public school to be missionaries...they might have gotten an education and learned to think for themselves!

As to the discussion about private schools, the really good ones, the ones that will actually give you a real education, those are about as much as a year of private college tuition in my neck of the woods. The more affordable schools are the ones that brag about using PACEs etc (and I had a woman my daughter goes to Daisies with brag to me about the school and then go on to say that my child wouldn't be accepted because of her disabilities, Thank Goodness for small favors!).

[fakepigtails73]

I went to a private school for grade 7 and 8. Thank Lucifer that I was kicked out at the end of grade 8 so that I could go to my local public high-school!! :twisted: Being in private school was an awful time for me; my Dad repeatedly said that sending me there was one of the biggest mistakes he made raising me. Anyways, I ended up having an 80% average in public school, so...

It's interesting that in the US religion is not allowed in public school; on the surface the US is a very religious country, at least compared to other Occidental nations. It's a good thing that religion is forbidden in the schools, imho.

When I was in high-school in the 80s, my public high-school was in a what was called at a time a "confessionnal faith" school board. At the time the French-language majority went to the Catholic school boards while the English-speaking minority went to the Protestant school boards. In the early 00s it changed, now both languages have their own boards without the religious affiliations. Welcome to the year 2000! Anyways, when at school we had to choose between having a Catholic religious class or having a class called "Morale", which can be translated more or less as "How to live in society". Every year I chosed "morale", which I really enjoyed; we got to talk about the death penalty, wars, racism, relationships...Now both classes don't exist anymore; the education ministry created have a controversial new course required of all, with no opting out, which is a giant clusterfuck.

At the private school we had no choice but to take the religion class. Urgh. That private school was founded by brothers, The Brothers of the Holy Cross, so we had a few of them brothers as teachers. They were awful and smelled so bad. Anyhow, for the past few years that school and the brothers have been in the news here and not for good reasons: more than 60 reports of pedophilia involving that school and their order between 1950 and 1990. From what I read it was litteraly a pedo den over there. When I was attending I never had wind of any rumours, to be honest. It had been only 5 yrs or so that girls were now allowed as students and the brothers did everything they could to make us feel not wanted... I'm not surprised, some brothers gave me the heebie jeebies at the time for unknown reasons. It's awful, every 6 moths or so in the news I learn that a former teacher is a suspected pedo.

I have many links of newspaper reports that I can link, in English, from the Gazette and the CBC for those interested.

ETA: oh, and many of my "firsts" occured when I was attending private school and with friends I had over there. 1st time dying hair, 1st boyfriend, 1st fuck, 1st cigarette smoken, 1st time getting drunk, 1st sexual assault by a peer, 1st joint...And at the end of grade 8 I could easily get soft drugs from dealers who were attending the school AND were members of the sacrosaint football team (and they were never were punished for anything no matter how severe the transgression. Faculty saw them as the superstars who helped rake in the $$ from donors).

So whoever thinks that they shelter their kids from "the bad stuff" when they send them to private school, think again!! :roll:

[constantgardener]

At least in the US you can make a choice whether or not to send your kids to a church-affiliated school. Here in the UK many schools, particularly primary schools (4-11 year olds) are Church of England schools, with a smaller number of Catholic and other denominations. They are just like other state schools in most respects, but they have a close relationship with their local CofE church and the vicar or other people involved with the church will sit on the board of governors and influence policy in that school. In theory, you are allowed to choose the state school that your child attends, but if you live in a rural area the reality is that unless you want to drive your kids miles to another town or village, your child will go to the nearest school, even if it's CofE. Often church schools are oversubscribed and have good academic record. But the fact remains that you are allowing the church influence over your child's education, even if you are not a believer.