Created to be HIS - Desires for her new baby girl (gag me)

[ElphabaGalinda]

I hope despite of the restrictive upbringing their daughter will have, and the opportunities they want to deny her, her daughter somehow ends up being just like Hilary Clinton. Because that's an awesome woman to be like. Her daughter hasn't even been born yet but now that they know they're having a girl, there are very few things she can become that are acceptable to her parents. Your hopes and dreams for your future child shouldn't change that drastically when you learn the sex. What about being strong and happy and successful in whatever her passions are? I'm guessing her daughter's happiness isn't her first priority.

[Hane]

Queen Easter! :lol:

She was a Prayboy bunny.

[Pretzel]

Ok, she's not so wrong about little girls not having a childhood anymore. I would want my girl to be a girl until she's hitting puberty, too. Although then I'd gladly stop wanting the same as the fundie in question.

And what's that stupid thing about falling in love with Jesus? So falling in love with a real person is the ebil but falling in love with a dead (?), non-existent (?), surreal (?), super-power (?) guy (?) it is, according to the crayzees out there. Oh my. So giving away pieces of your heart is okay as long as you give your pieces to the JJ. And I wonder, if Jesus really is "up there", what's he gonna do with all that heart pieces :shock: :think:

[grovelina]

I have a daughter and I was thrilled to find out that is what I was having. But my joy was not centered around dressing her up as a little doll and it was not so that I could dress her up as a little Paris Hilton. I was excited by the privilege of raising a strong, healthy, and happy female in a world where sadly that really is still a challenge. I do not want to keep my daughter in an infantile state, moving from submission to her father's will to the will of her husband. My dreams for her are develop her own passions and to follow her own dreams. I want her to love and be loved and I want her to be guided by compassion and concern for others in all of her dealings with the world. I want her to be free.

[LucySnowe]

Ehhh... Leslie Ludy. She's not someone I would want my daughter to emulate. Josh Harris talks about meeting her and her husband in I Kissed Dating Goodbye; they are the authors of multiple books on marriage. The Ludy's were one of the first couples to promote no kissing (maybe even no handholding... I forget) before marriage. Their prattle made me want to barf.

I wish I still had my copy of When God Writes Your Love Story because it was snark-tastic. For someone preaching waiting for your husband, she gave some pretty raunchy examples of What Not To Do in there. (I wouldn't be surprised if they've been removed for subsequent editions, but have no way to check.) I also thought she was bonkers for basically wanting to quit high school so she could sit in her room and worship Jesus. It's been a long while since I read it, so I might be slightly off on these things, but my general recollection of reading it was: wtf.

[VooDooChild]

Make Jesus the lover of her heart? What does that even mean?

Yeah, I'll pray for the baby. I pray she's immune to the fundie lies and grows up to be whatever she wants to be, because God removed the blinders from her parent eyes and they realized their daughter is a valuable human being and deserves to live the kind of life she wants to live.

Forgive me, Father, for my grammar and run on sentence. :pray:

[Abby_B]

I wish I still had my copy of When God Writes Your Love Story because it was snark-tastic. For someone preaching waiting for your husband, she gave some pretty raunchy examples of What Not To Do in there. (I wouldn't be surprised if they've been removed for subsequent editions, but have no way to check.) I also thought she was bonkers for basically wanting to quit high school so she could sit in her room and worship Jesus. It's been a long while since I read it, so I might be slightly off on these things, but my general recollection of reading it was: wtf.

Now I'm super curious what Ludy said in that book. I remember my mom saying that the book was overly detailed and gross but our family never owned a copy. I wonder if I can find a copy at a library. The raunchy parts may not have been removed... Dannah Gresh's "And the Bride Wore White" has some pretty detailed, almost pornographic, descriptions that I thought would shock stay at home daughters and they're still in subsequent printings.

[Burris]

If I had a daughter, I hope she would be like Ruth – one of only two women in the Bible called virtuous, for the act of kindness that led her to work as a gleaner. She worked to save the life of a mother-in-law with whom Ruth had no surviving blood ties.

Abigail and Deborah would also make for good role models.

I don't see anything wrong with Betty White, but I understand why the fundies would dislike her: She has her wits about and is not an easy mark for fear-driven pleas for money by predatory preachers that make bank off of pensioners (thereby devouring widows' houses), or those cash-strapped young families that are encouraged to breed themselves into penury, while still buying new conference materials and books.

[shesinsane]

At least she didn't say she's so excited it's a girl because she'll finally get some help around the house.

[Guest Anonymous]

At least she didn't say she's so excited it's a girl because she'll finally get some help around the house.

No. but she DID say she hoped her daughter would be servant-hearted. My guess is, she's just biding her time.

[Cannelle]

The constant, "Here is what my unborn/very young children will be like when they are older!" bullshit pisses me off.

Children are not empty vessels. They are not blank slates. They come complete with their very own personalities, their own likes and dislikes. You don't get to decide who they are on the most basic levels. You just don't. You can guide their choices in certain ways, you can introduce them to things (and keep trying, in cases like food), but in the end, you just don't get to decide whether or not your little girl will love wearing frilly dresses or if your son will be a rugged, manly outdoorsman. That's not up to you. When you have a child, you take the risk of getting what you get, and how you react to that will shape your child's life.

I've always thought that having a kid is kind of like going to the store, grabbing a random person, and having them live in your house for the next 18-25 years. You just never know what you're getting. :)

[alysee]

The constant, "Here is what my unborn/very young children will be like when they are older!" bullshit pisses me off.

Children are not empty vessels. They are not blank slates. They come complete with their very own personalities, their own likes and dislikes. You don't get to decide who they are on the most basic levels. You just don't. You can guide their choices in certain ways, you can introduce them to things (and keep trying, in cases like food), but in the end, you just don't get to decide whether or not your little girl will love wearing frilly dresses or if your son will be a rugged, manly outdoorsman. That's not up to you. When you have a child, you take the risk of getting what you get, and how you react to that will shape your child's life.

I've always thought that having a kid is kind of like going to the store, grabbing a random person, and having them live in your house for the next 18-25 years. You just never know what you're getting. :)

I definitely agree with you. I just want my future kids to be happy. Don't care what they like, dislike, or even if there personality is "spirited" I just want the kid to be happy in whatever decisions they make.

[Guest Anonymous]

I pray my daughter grows up to be a strong women who doesn't feel she must marry and punch out a bunch of babies to be worth something. Fundies seem to start the oppression even before conception. I always hope they all have boys because I think it would be harder to sway a non-fundy woman into a life as a servant than to sway a non-fundy man into the life of a master.

[Peas n carrots]

The constant, "Here is what my unborn/very young children will be like when they are older!" bullshit pisses me off.

Children are not empty vessels. They are not blank slates. They come complete with their very own personalities, their own likes and dislikes. You don't get to decide who they are on the most basic levels. You just don't. You can guide their choices in certain ways, you can introduce them to things (and keep trying, in cases like food), but in the end, you just don't get to decide whether or not your little girl will love wearing frilly dresses or if your son will be a rugged, manly outdoorsman. That's not up to you. When you have a child, you take the risk of getting what you get, and how you react to that will shape your child's life.

I've always thought that having a kid is kind of like going to the store, grabbing a random person, and having them live in your house for the next 18-25 years. You just never know what you're getting. :)

QFT. Best example is me. My mom was definitely frilly bows and stuff kind. I wanted to make mud pies all day. In high school she signed me up for cheer leading try outs, despite the fact I had no interest in cheerleading (and I refused to do it either). My freshman year of college she also paid for me to rush, which I never had any interest in either. Luckily for her my younger sibs were interested in that stuff.

Anyways, these same fundies believe can bend your child to their old by a few beatings with the plumbing line. It doesn't matter to fundies if they are born with a personality, they will see to it that it is molded to their way of thinking.

[Patsy]

Children are not empty vessels. They are not blank slates. They come complete with their very own personalities, their own likes and dislikes. You don't get to decide who they are on the most basic levels. You just don't. You can guide their choices in certain ways, you can introduce them to things (and keep trying, in cases like food), but in the end, you just don't get to decide whether or not your little girl will love wearing frilly dresses or if your son will be a rugged, manly outdoorsman. That's not up to you. When you have a child, you take the risk of getting what you get, and how you react to that will shape your child's life.

[luckystone]

I do sort of agree with not wanting to have a daughter (imaginary, as i do not have or want kids right now) who is obsessed with make up and boyfriends by the age of about 10, and there are some outfits aimed at little girls that I would not want to put my possible future child in. I also think the child beauty pageants are creepy. I do think that kids should be kids and not have to worry about stuff like wearing expensive clothing, make up and having the latest accessories, or whether boys are interested in them til they are at least teenagers. I also think Paris Hilton is a bad role model.

But I also dont want to have a daughter who doesnt bother learning because she wants to be a stay at home mom of 15 children, and wants to stay at home until she is married and not have a job. I dont want my daughter to feel that a loving relationship involves being completely submissive and doing everything her husband tells her to. I dont want her to feel that she has no choice in life, just to stay at home and have as many babies as possible. I dont want her to choose a religion at an early age just because she is too young to understand what it means, Id like to give any future kid of mine a good education about all world religions and things like evolution, and let them make their own decision.

I think fundies are just as bad a role model as Paris Hilton.

I agree. There's a middle line.

It's completely not true that all girls are obsessed with make-up and boyfriends when they are 10-13 or whatever. Plenty aren't. And plenty have passing interests in those things but still prioritise other things like sport, family, school etc. I definitely didn't like handbags or dressing up or pop music when I was a teenage girl and I didn't have a boyfriend in high school.

Once again, fundies aren't logical and think everything is either one option or another.