Wanna help me school some silly fundie girls on "obamacare"?

[icecreamycakeycake]

The government says I need to wear a seatbelt when I'm in a car, either as the driver or a passenger. If I get pulled over and I'm not wearing a seatbelt, I have to pay a fine in the form of a ticket. The government insists on seatbelts because they can help save lives in the event of an accident, so it's for my own good.

It's like that.

And the Constitution doesn't mention anything about seat belts, yet nobody screams about how unconstitutional they are.

The Government also insists on seat belts because it's GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. Not wearing one increases the likelihood of a fatality, which affects resources and infrastructure. When a fatal accident occurs, the road is shut down for investigation which affects traffic and subsequently businesses, because people can't get to work on time or where they're going. Significant police resources are utilized to investigate and document a traffic fatality potentially creating a lack of safety in other areas., and the coroner must be involved, both of which are paid for by tax dollars.

[FlorenceHamilton]

Great point!

Actually, when the seat belt laws went onto effect, people screamed about exactly that. In fact, several states have enacted laws to make the seat belt laws unenforcible as a stand alone offense. Included are Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Indiana, Massechusetts, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, Utah Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

[allyisyourpally5]

Of course, they all want to move to canada, no-one wants to come to the UK, we're even more evil over here with health care :)

What I find ironic is that we are facing NHS reforms over here (I don't fully understand exactly what this means) and theres a lot of talk of "increasing provider competition" - potentially taking more steps in the direction of more privatisation, which is not going down well here at all. Kill the Bill is happening both sides of the atlantic for completely opposite reasons, its funny (and scary).

[freejoytoo]

I've seen people online complain about seatbelt laws, I have no idea why.

I think the UK and Europe sees healthcare in a different way to a majority of Americans.

[Maggie Mae]

I've seen people online complain about seatbelt laws, I have no idea why.

I think the UK and Europe sees healthcare in a different way to a majority of Americans.

I remember when they first started changing and enforcing the seatbelt laws. Some people complained for really stupid reasons, like "it's not comfortable" (only if you weight 400 lbs and you aren't going to be comfortable anyway), or that it would wrinkle clothing, etc. But I think the core problem is that people just don't like being told what to do. Most of the people who complained about it were people who wore their seatbelts anyway. IMO. My dad told me it was because of insurance prices, and because fatalities mean more police work, both of which drive up costs to the tax payer.

I think Americans (and people in general) are way to easily mislead into thinking that the Affordable Heath Care Act is some big scary socialist plot. (Also, why does everyone think socialism = bad?) Most of the people i've seen who are all up in arms don't know teh first thing about what it is or what it does. People are just scared because someone invented "death panels" and used words meant to scare people, like "rationing".. Um, yeah, what insurance does now? Way scarier than "rationing". And we should do some rationing. Rich people don't need to have 80 thousand repetitive tests just because they can afford them. Let someone else use the equipment, which is limited.

[CanadianHippie]

I remember when they first started changing and enforcing the seatbelt laws. Some people complained for really stupid reasons, like "it's not comfortable" (only if you weight 400 lbs and you aren't going to be comfortable anyway), or that it would wrinkle clothing, etc. But I think the core problem is that people just don't like being told what to do. Most of the people who complained about it were people who wore their seatbelts anyway. IMO. My dad told me it was because of insurance prices, and because fatalities mean more police work, both of which drive up costs to the tax payer.

I think Americans (and people in general) are way to easily mislead into thinking that the Affordable Heath Care Act is some big scary socialist plot. (Also, why does everyone think socialism = bad?) Most of the people i've seen who are all up in arms don't know teh first thing about what it is or what it does. People are just scared because someone invented "death panels" and used words meant to scare people, like "rationing".. Um, yeah, what insurance does now? Way scarier than "rationing". And we should do some rationing. Rich people don't need to have 80 thousand repetitive tests just because they can afford them. Let someone else use the equipment, which is limited.

Sarah Palin created death panels by arguing that an evil socialist health care system would mean a bunch of bureaucrats sitting in a room deciding who was worthy of living and who could just die. The only thing she convinced people for affordable or free health care of is that she has no fucking clue how universal health care works.

[AuntCloud]

Me, I'm ok with a horde of fundies setting up shop in Canada. One winter spent in flip-flops, cooped up in a 1,000 sf house with 15 other people, they'll be making a bee-line south of the border.

[JMarie]

Actually, when the seat belt laws went onto effect, people screamed about exactly that. In fact, several states have enacted laws to make the seat belt laws unenforcible as a stand alone offense. Included are Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Indiana, Massechusetts, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, Utah Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

In 32 states, it is a stand alone offense.

http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/laws ... _laws.html

[Witsec7]

Sarah Palin created death panels by arguing that an evil socialist health care system would mean a bunch of bureaucrats sitting in a room deciding who was worthy of living and who could just die. The only thing she convinced people for affordable or free health care of is that she has no fucking clue how universal health care works.

Actually it was the last Geo. Bush when he was governor of TX who legislated 'death panels'. The right rallied around Bush and the Futile Care Law in Texas. Letting Palin's misappropriation stand is merely revisionist history.

[Nothing2CHere]

Actually, when the seat belt laws went onto effect, people screamed about exactly that. In fact, several states have enacted laws to make the seat belt laws unenforcible as a stand alone offense. Included are Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Indiana, Massechusetts, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, Utah Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

Ironic that it's only a secondary offense in Ohio, seeing that the very first seat belt law was enacted in an Ohio town.