The Rebelution Define A Real Woman

[debrand]

We discussed this article on the old board. Because we are talking about the Harris Brothers again, I thought this article would be interesting for those who know little about the Rebelution.

Three Teens Define "A Real Woman"

Written by Philip Hainline, Heidi Reimer, and Maria Reimer at the respective ages of 16, 19, and 17.

A real woman . . .

…is glad she’s a woman and rejoices in her femininity, expressing it through her attitude, appearance and bearing. (1 Timothy 2:9-10)

…does not compete for equality with men or chafe at God’s design for male and female, but delights in and understands the importance of her calling to complement man’s role. (1 Timothy 2:11-12, Ephesians 5:22-24)

…values the cultivation of her mind and diligently seeks after wisdom and knowledge. (Proverbs 22:17-21, 2:2-6)

…realizes her imperative need to allow the Holy Spirit to control her emotions and expressions of them. (James 1:19-20)

…does not wallow in self-pity or make a habit of voicing complaints, but radiates cheerfulness and joy. (Proverbs 15:15, Proverbs 17:22)

A real woman . . .

…appreciates her father’s protection, and respects and submits to his authority. In so doing, she is preparing herself to exercise the Biblical role in her relationship with a possible future husband. (Ephesians 5:33-6:3, 1 Peter 3:1-2)

…is trustworthy and gains the respect of those around her. (Proverbs 31:11)

…restrains herself from listening to, or participating in gossip, but instead speaks with wisdom and discretion. (Proverbs 11:12-13, 22, 20:19, 3:11)

…encourages and builds up those around her instead of criticizing and tearing them down. (1 Thessalonians 5:11, Ephesians 4:29)

…does not have a nagging, contentious or manipulative manner in which she deals with others. (Judges 16:16, Proverbs 21:9, 19, 26:21)

…is not boisterous or loud in her speech or actions but is characterized by a gentle and quiet spirit. (Proverbs 9:13, 1 Peter 3:4)

A real woman . . .

…portrays chastity, modesty and reverence in her manner, and wears the ornament of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is her true beauty. (1 Peter 3:3-4, Titus 2:4-5)

…is not offended by respect shown her through gentlemanly courtesies (opening doors, etc.) but cultivates the differences between the sexes that make her worthy of this deference. (1 Peter 3:7, Mark 10:6)

…seeks to make God her number one desire and the Lover of her soul, knowing that only He can fully satisfy. (Psalm 73:25, Psalm 63:1)

…uses her years of singleness to seek and serve God without distraction, and is content to leave the details of her future to Him. (Psalm 73:25, Philippians 4:11)

A real woman . . .

…does not relate to members of the opposite sex in a flirtatious or forward manner, but instead saves all her passion for her future husband. (Thessalonians 4:3-8, Proverbs 6:25, 1 Corinthians 7:1)

…holds her virginity before marriage sacred and will not compromise it for anything. (This one goes for guys too)

(1 Timothy 5:22)

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posted by Brett Harris at 6:30 AM

[shesinsane]

A real woman …encourages and builds up those around her instead of criticizing and tearing them down.

Not a lot of "real women" in the fundie world. What's the purpose of being righteous if you can't look down upon/mock the heathens?

[fundiefan]

Makes me pretty happy that I am not a 'real' woman. I'd rather be an unreal woman with a real man (and/or real people) than conform to the standards of someone or anyone else.

[Austin]

I am a faux woman, then. And proud of it.

Why would anybody give a flying hoot how teenaged boys define a "real woman"? Ack.

[debrand]

What is odd is that the Harris brothers supported the young woman who attempted to sail around the world, Abby Sunderland. I really don't understand their views on women. On one hand they write articles against feminism and female independence but they support a young woman doing something that proves her independence.

[mystweaver]

It's actually a pretty-typical mindset for the hip-fundies.

I attended their church for a bit, and my maid of honor was very involved there.

Women can do anything they want while single...but most women are supposed to get married (eventually), and once they're married, they have to support their husband's dreams over their own. Post-marriage, he could sail around the world (with her support, either physically or from a distance), but she could not.

That's one of the big reasons why they seem to be in support of college for women: as long as women don't use college as an excuse for singleness, why not? It's the school that comes after marriage (like the evil grad programs) that they don't support for women.

(Also, notice they support college for women, but not necessarily women completing their degrees, or spending money on something more than the local community college.)

[debrand]

Thank you Bekkah for explaining that.

[keen23]

I find it hilarious that the Harris brothers call their "ministry" the Rebelution. Because there's actually a kick-ass reggae band with the same name, out of Santa Barbara CA that I heard of way before I heard of the Harris brothers.

ETA- facts, like the band's name...

[bionicmlle]

This should be added as a post-count title somewhere.... "Real Rebelution Woman"

[Joykins]

Teenaged boys know everything there is to know about women. Just ask their advice on childrearing.

[clibbyjo]

Those little boys wouldn't know a real woman if one pinched them in the ass!(as a REAL woman might do. :)) They would run screaming from real women.

I guess that makes me another faux woman in their eyes, I won't be losing any sleep over their stupidity.

[MamaJunebug]

Not an original expression, let alone an original thought, in their list. They're parroting back what they've been taught.

It's irritating but it's nothing new nor is it confined to the religion of these extremists.

[Joykins]

Also those Bible verses are often a mismatch to what they say...no surprise there.

[Cordial]

…is not offended by respect shown her through gentlemanly courtesies (opening doors, etc.) but cultivates the differences between the sexes that make her worthy of this deference. (1 Peter 3:7, Mark 10:6)

This poor old straw feminist must be so, so tired by now. Fierce feminists make up the majority of the women in my life and we all agree: none of us nor any women we know have ever been offended by a door being opened for us. Enough.

[FundiesInMyFamily]

…restrains herself from listening to, or participating in gossip, but instead speaks with wisdom and discretion. (Proverbs 11:12-13, 22, 20:19, 3:11)

…encourages and builds up those around her instead of criticizing and tearing them down. (1 Thessalonians 5:11, Ephesians 4:29)

…does not have a nagging, contentious or manipulative manner in which she deals with others. (Judges 16:16, Proverbs 21:9, 19, 26:21)

…is not boisterous or loud in her speech or actions but is characterized by a gentle and quiet spirit. (Proverbs 9:13, 1 Peter 3:4)

These attributes alone would take out 99.9% of the fundy bloggers we follow !

[Joykins]

Three Teens Define "A Real Man"

someone with a penis

[Joykins]

…is not offended by respect shown her through gentlemanly courtesies (opening doors, etc.) but cultivates the differences between the sexes that make her worthy of this deference. (1 Peter 3:7, Mark 10:6)

Which reminds me (very obliquely) of my mother's rant upon coming home from Israel, talking about the Orthodox men sitting on the bus, "when a woman with 6 kids, pregnant, and her arms full of groceries gets on the bus, do any of these men get up and offer her a seat? NO! They are so afraid they might be polluted by touching or talking to a woman they do nothing!"

I guess it's charming in a way that the Harris boys might give up their seats.

[Austin]

This poor old straw feminist must be so, so tired by now. Fierce feminists make up the majority of the women in my life and we all agree: none of us nor any women we know have ever been offended by a door being opened for us. Enough.

We have brought our sons up to open doors for others. Not just women. So I do confess that I never open a door if I am in the company of my husband or sons. So perhaps that is a chink in my feminist armor. . . :D

ETA: They also pull out my chair out a restaurant and rise slightly from their seats when I leave or return to the table. I know, horribly provincial, huh? What can I say? My husband is a conventional man in many ways and I've never objected. :o I think some of it is generational. None of it is about me (or any other woman) not being able to open the door or not able to pull out a chair, but it is about respect, I think, in my husband's mind.