Virgin Tales Documentary on YouTube!!

[pook]

Is it just me or does Mr. Wilson sport a rather toupee-like coif?

[louisa05]

Is it just me or does Mr. Wilson sport a rather toupee-like coif?

It's not just you.

Just started part 5.

The manhood ceremony:

Yes, of course, the problem with Christianity is that not enough people want to fight. Because Jesus was all about hostility and violence. Can't believe we lost sight of that. It is so clear in all that "turn the other cheek" and "love your enemy" stuff.

And do these people really spend that much time sitting around listening to each other give speeches or was that for the camera? The most contrived one had to be the boy speechifying over brunch. Shut up already.

And Jordan's little classes...ugh. Is it my imagination or do some of those girls not look like they'd rather be just about anywhere else? And why do you need a formal class to learn how to let visitors into the house? Is she assuming everyone else was raised in a corn crib?

Also, note to Mama: If you are the First Lady, you can hire someone to pour the tea. In fact, The White House basically comes with a staff for that sort of thing.

[louisa05]

Truth about church at the Capitol:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthro ... e-capitol/

Historian in me could not let that one go uncommented on.

[pook]

About five minutes in. The dad's speaking pattern makes him sound like he's having breathing trouble with all the random pauses and deep breaths, but he doesn't look sick...? Is that just the way he always speaks? If so it's pretty awkward. Jordan's kind-of imitating it a bit.

To me he sounds a bit like a porn narrator who then participates.

[louisa05]

Part 7--Mrs. Colten, it is not a bragging point to tell us that you barely knew your husband at all when you got married. That is a bad thing. You should not have married someone you didn't really know.

And why is Mama's voice so god-awful whiny. Makes me crazy. And Jordan? Not happy. She sounded about ready to cry when she pointed out that she is older than her sister was when she got married. And she looks downright miserable during the whole "marriage is amazing" conversation, especially when her mother throws out the almost mocking "Jordan wouldn't know".

Part 8: I have to wonder if the rather new Evangelical obsession with making up ceremonies has to do with their abandonment of the sacraments which left them with no ceremonies for coming of age? Most Catholic kids are confirmed between 14-18--giving families a kind of religious coming of age ritual so they don't need to make one up. Additionally, do theirs all have to revolve around gender roles and virginity? Really? Does it not occur to them how gross that actually is? Or how much it has nothing to do with preparing anyone for how to live. Sex is really only a very small part of normal every day life. And Jordan continues to look utterly miserable.

[moreorlessnu]

Part 7--Mrs. Colten, it is not a bragging point to tell us that you barely knew your husband at all when you got married. That is a bad thing. You should not have married someone you didn't really know.

And why is Mama's voice so god-awful whiny. Makes me crazy. And Jordan? Not happy. She sounded about ready to cry when she pointed out that she is older than her sister was when she got married. And she looks downright miserable during the whole "marriage is amazing" conversation, especially when her mother throws out the almost mocking "Jordan wouldn't know".

Mrs. Colten sounded miserably unhappy, and Mr. Colten seemed without emotion.

Spoiler Alert: Jordan is now very happy, having married in 2012, and is expecting her first baby this summer.

[louisa05]

Mrs. Colten sounded miserably unhappy, and Mr. Colten seemed without emotion.

Spoiler Alert: Jordan is now very happy, having married in 2012, and is expecting her first baby this summer.

Is she far away from these crazy people? I just can't get beyond that mocking little "Jordan wouldn't know" comment from her mother with the laughter. She looked so unhappy already at that moment and her mother just chose to make it worse. I can't imagine how it must feel to be raised to believe that there is nothing for you but marriage and motherhood then have to sit around and wait for it with absolutely no personal agency or control.

I sort of wish the spoiler was that Jordan ran away and created her own life away from all of that craziness. On her own.

Maybe one of the younger two will.

[lemonhead]

It is a comment on the extent and effectiveness of my childhood fundie brainwashing that this documentary did not seem terribly outrageous until I read all the reactions here at FJ. Even after being out for 20+ years, it's so easy to fall back into the "well, that seems reasonable" mindset :embarrassed:

[ladyaudley]

it's been taken down - WHILE I WAS WATCHING! :(

[moreorlessnu]

I would feel terribly disrespected if someone turned his head away with his eyes half closed while they spoke to me. Logan did this (at the table maybe the day after the Purity Ball?) when he was talking to his sister and his mother.

[moreorlessnu]

Is she far away from these crazy people? I just can't get beyond that mocking little "Jordan wouldn't know" comment from her mother with the laughter. She looked so unhappy already at that moment and her mother just chose to make it worse. I can't imagine how it must feel to be raised to believe that there is nothing for you but marriage and motherhood then have to sit around and wait for it with absolutely no personal agency or control.

I sort of wish the spoiler was that Jordan ran away and created her own life away from all of that craziness. On her own.

Maybe one of the younger two will.

I can't tell where she's living, but she is still running her etiquette classes (except for all of 2014 because she's pregnant).

This irritates me: She's charging good money for her classes but tells each participant to bring their own tea cup and pack a lunch. When you are running a business like that, it look unprofessional and cheap to say that to people. Charge each participant an extra 50 cents for the tea cup (amortize it over all the classes), charge each participant an extra $6 to $8, and then figure out a lunch that fits that budget. (Pssst: hire your younger sisters to cater the luncheon within that budget.)

[Daenerys]

Mrs. Colten sounded miserably unhappy, and Mr. Colten seemed without emotion.

Spoiler Alert: Jordan is now very happy, having married in 2012, and is expecting her first baby this summer.

I'm glad Jordyn managed to find someone... it was clearly all she wanted in life and she did seem like a nice girl. I hope she's happy and that she retreats from the extremeness of some of her parents' beliefs.

[sparrow]

Boooooooooo! Mr. Sparrow was hoping to watch it too, but it's taken down already. Does anybody know of any other links that work?

[GeoBQn]

This irritates me: She's charging good money for her classes but tells each participant to bring their own tea cup and pack a lunch. When you are running a business like that, it look unprofessional and cheap to say that to people. Charge each participant an extra 50 cents for the tea cup (amortize it over all the classes), charge each participant an extra $6 to $8, and then figure out a lunch that fits that budget. (Pssst: hire your younger sisters to cater the luncheon within that budget.)

I told my husband about the BYO tea cup requirement. He responded, "Also, bring your own tea. And hot water. And could you bring a chair, too?"

[Daenerys]

Boooooooooo! Mr. Sparrow was hoping to watch it too, but it's taken down already. Does anybody know of any other links that work?

I doubt it... I'm not exaggerating when I say it took me a year to find an online copy to watch.

[Mango]

It's on UVerse On Demand, on the off chance you've got access to that.

[Creampuff]

Oh man, I'm glad I finished watching it before it was removed!

Aside from all of the other previously noted crazy, the moment that stood out the most for me was when the younger son, Logan(?) decided to emulate his dad's "prayer voice" and tell each of his sisters and his dad how awesome and amazing they were ("Dad, you're my hero.") and then, at the end, he gets to his mom and you can tell he has NOTHING. "Uh...you've really encouraged me in my...walk with God."

JESUS CHRIST. This is the woman who cooked for you, cleaned for you, homeschooled you and is basically the perfect submissive wife and mother (according to patriarchy standards) and that's all you've got?? Good to know he can wax rhapsodic about his sisters' virginal cooches but when it comes to the woman who raised him, it's like "Oh yeah, and you. You're great too, I guess."

Also, Jordyn is so personality-free that I'm startled she managed to hook anyone. Poor woman.

[ari_belle]

I was halfway through when I said, "I'll come back to it later." A few days later, it's gone. If anyone else finds it, let me know. FUCK, that was so interesting...I hate it when that happens. Sorry that it happened to a few of you as well.