Supreme Court Sides With Hobby Lobby MERGE

[anti-antichoice]

They're so for religious freedom I'm sure all the Hobby Lobby employees will be able to opt in to the birth control coverage on the basis that it's consistent with their religious beliefs. Right?...right?

Where's the eye-roll smiley when you need it?

[ADoyle90815]

Well, that just cements my desire to never step foot in a fucking Hobby Lobby ever again. They lost my business. Any of the cheap, crappy shit they sell can be found on the internet being sold by another company relatively easily. No reason to buy it from them.

I've never shopped there, and this cements my desire never to go there for any reason. Besides, there are other stores that sell craft supplies, as well as online. The owners of Hobby Lobby are hypocrites since their crap is made in China which has the strict one-child policy, to the point where abortion and birth control are mandatory. They also treat their workers like slaves, which is why corporations love to send jobs there, as they don't have to follow labor laws. :angry-banghead: :roll:

[karen77]

We should start protesting outside their doors, like pro-lifers do outside abortion clinics. SCOTUS just ruled that you don't need 25 feet anymore!!

[PennySycamore]

NO! Please someone tell me this isn't true.

Michael's is NOT owned by the Koch Brothers, but by Bain Capital which Mittens was involved with. It's Jo Ann for me.

Here's a good piece by John Oliver which he did on Saturday on This Week:

http://www.upworthy.com/hobby-lobby-get ... 2g?c=click

We could protest if the sidewalk is on public property, but so many HL stores are located in strip malls and their parking lots and sidewalks generally aren't public property.

[LeopardLady]

Yep, I can easily find my soap making supplies online. I'm going to research for soap making supply companies that aren't owned by fundie assholes.

And we should start a list of progressive companies here at FJ. Ben and Jerry's is one. Can we name any others?

Chipotle is, I think. They banned guns in stores after some guns-rights groups held meetings there in Texas and they support local and sustainable farming and meat.

[DGayle]

I know I will regret this but...

I worked for a Catholic hospital system and they did not cover birth control.

Is it all birth control or just the emergency morning after pill? This morning I heard it was the morning after pill.

Don't work for Hobby Lobby if you don't like their policies. I would be like a fundie going to work at Hooters then complaining about the dress code.

An employer does not have to provide health care coverage at all. It is a BENEFIT not a requirement. The alternative would be for them not to have any employee covered.

Last thing then you can start throwing tomatoes at me. I am on an ACA health plan. (My dh hasn't worked in over three years. I haven't worked in a year and a half) I found out this week that it will not cover gastric by pass surgery. I have obese, I have high blood pressure, high blood sugar, cholesterol and anxiety problems. I NEED this surgery I defiantly do not have the $12,000 to pay for it. Am I suppose to sue the government because I feel it is my right to have this surgery that will make me healthier? Do I suck it up until I find a job? but I can't find a job because I am fat and no one will hire me. it is a vicious cycle. I know it's not the same thing as birth control.

Any insurance that is paid for my your company is a benefit. If I went to work for any religious company I would expect that some of those beliefs would manifest itself into the work place.

You may now throw rotten fruits and vegetables....(if anyone has some squash though I'm jonseing for some fried squash) :)

You SHOULD regret that. How thick-skulled do you have to be to think that it's as easy as quitting and getting another job the next day? In the areas HL operates, there aren't many jobs. You take what you can get, even if that's HL.

HL is a for-profit company. Until today, only non-profits could use the religious angle.

You're biting the hand that feeds you by asking why any company should have to provide coverage. Tell me why I should be paying for your medical coverage instead. Why should my family, that makes just a bit too much for the ACA, be allowed to be given subpar coverage while paying for you to have better coverage?

[lilwriter85]

Several pages and groups that I follow on FB are talking about this and I'm annoyed. I have only been to a Hobby Lobby once and that was 11 years ago. My mom occasionally goes there for craft supplies and she will probably stop because of this.

[doggie]

did the decision cover all birth control or just the 4 they were winning about?

[DGayle]

Chipotle is, I think. They banned guns in stores after some guns-rights groups held meetings there in Texas and they support local and sustainable farming and meat.

I know Apple is openly pro-equality, and was a bit presence at Pride last weekend.

I thought Whole Foods was, but a friend who works there has been making me doubt that.

[DGayle]

did the decision cover all birth control or just the 4 they were winning about?

I've been working my way through the ruling itself, and it's all contraception.

[DGayle]

Does the HL scheme cover vasectomies and viagra for men? Is it only women who they think shouldn't have control over their bodies?

HL covers vasectomies and Viagra. Men are safe.

[DGayle]

If I were in America I would fucking burn the nearest Hobby Lobby to the ground with no regrets and accept the jail time with glee. They are snakes out to destroy women for the simple reason that they consider us subhuman. That the Supreme Court would play along with their horrendous destruction of basic freedom is sickening. Forcing people to comply with YOUR religious rules is the opposite of freedom of religion. Pity the poor dissenting justices who tried to be the last bastion of sanity. And the ones who voted FOR....well, I bet Jesus would be super proud of them now.

Also, this guarantees that I will never move to America, ever. That sick decaying nation which is so bizarrely proud of its own backwardness.

I want out of this country. I'm really scared sick about raising my girls in a country where they're second-class citizens because of having vaginas.

[DGayle]

Good lord...until May, my husband worked for P&G. They make couples pay a pretty heavy extra premium to cover spouses who are eligible for coverage through their own employers. I doubt such policies are uncommon anymore. Unless the spouse is not employed, proof that no insurance is available is required. Even my temp employment as a sub teacher required us to prove that no insurance was available to me.

What are spouses supposed to do if both have coverage for spouses, but both can only be covered if there's nothing else? Is it a stalemate?

[DGayle]

I've never shopped there, and this cements my desire never to go there for any reason. Besides, there are other stores that sell craft supplies, as well as online. The owners of Hobby Lobby are hypocrites since their crap is made in China which has the strict one-child policy, to the point where abortion and birth control are mandatory. They also treat their workers like slaves, which is why corporations love to send jobs there, as they don't have to follow labor laws. :angry-banghead: :roll:

You're not missing anything. I've been there a few times, and left empty-handed because the stuff they sell is very cheap shit sold for higher prices than the better stuff at other stores. I think they get people thinking they're cheapest so that no one bothers checking any other store.

And yes, the hypocrisy of this company.

[DGayle]

We should start protesting outside their doors, like pro-lifers do outside abortion clinics. SCOTUS just ruled that you don't need 25 feet anymore!!

Oh my god I forgot they just did that....

[EyeQueue]

There's also the problem that the ruling is about "closely-held corporations," which applies to over 90% of organizations in the country. Those organizations are responsible for employing 52% of all private employees. "Don't work for Hobby Lobby" is not a suitable solution when the majority of employers in your area start doing the same thing.

How are they defining a "closely-held corporation"? (Sorry--strapped for time and can't look it up--it sounds like some of you are right on top of this, though). The 90% figure scares the crap out of me. :(

[louisa05]

What are spouses supposed to do if both have coverage for spouses, but both can only be covered if there's nothing else? Is it a stalemate?

Not sure I understand your question. If both spouses have coverage under their own separate employers, the expectation is that the spouse not employed by P&G gets insurance through their own employer or the couple pays the extra premium to P&G. If your confusion is to how children are covered, P&G provides several levels of coverage. They are employee only, employee + spouse, employee + family (spouse and children) or employee + children. So theoretically, an employee can get coverage for him/herself and children while a fully employed spouse gets a single policy through their own employer. Employee contribution on all levels is very reasonable and coverage is very good.

The benefits and the Christmas box are all we will miss about his working for them.

[DGayle]

they'd probably just say that BC isn't life-or-death, while transfusions are.

Except for the cases where BC is saving a life.

[DGayle]

Not sure I understand your question. If both spouses have coverage under their own separate employers, the expectation is that the spouse not employed by P&G gets insurance through their own employer or the couple pays the extra premium to P&G. If your confusion is to how children are covered, P&G provides several levels of coverage. They are employee only, employee + spouse, employee + family (spouse and children) or employee + children. So theoretically, an employee can get coverage for him/herself and children while a fully employed spouse gets a single policy through their own employer. Employee contribution on all levels is very reasonable and coverage is very good.

The benefits and the Christmas box are all we will miss about his working for them.

Ah, I thought you meant you could only get coverage under your own employer if there was nothing else available to you. It sounds like you mean the SPOUSE can only be covered sometimes if there's nothing else.

[GeoBQn]

I've never shopped there, and this cements my desire never to go there for any reason. Besides, there are other stores that sell craft supplies, as well as online. The owners of Hobby Lobby are hypocrites since their crap is made in China which has the strict one-child policy, to the point where abortion and birth control are mandatory. They also treat their workers like slaves, which is why corporations love to send jobs there, as they don't have to follow labor laws. :angry-banghead: :roll:

I spend an embarrassingly large amount of money on crafting supplies. I stopped shopping at HL several years ago when they put full-page ads in newspapers on the 4th of July basically saying that because I'm a Jew, I'm not really American. The birth control issue only cemented my hatred, and if there was some way I could double boycott them, I would.

[DGayle]

Michael's is NOT owned by the Koch Brothers, but by Bain Capital which Mittens was involved with. It's Jo Ann for me.

Here's a good piece by John Oliver which he did on Saturday on This Week:

http://www.upworthy.com/hobby-lobby-get ... 2g?c=click

We could protest if the sidewalk is on public property, but so many HL stores are located in strip malls and their parking lots and sidewalks generally aren't public property.

Not much better. Dammit. Michael's has craft boxes I use a lot. I'd rather pay more to order them online what I can't find as Joanns or Hancock. Fuck Mittens and Bain the same as the Koches.

[DGayle]

I spend an embarrassingly large amount of money on crafting supplies. I stopped shopping at HL several years ago when they put full-page ads in newspapers on the 4th of July basically saying that because I'm a Jew, I'm not really American. The birth control issue only cemented my hatred, and if there was some way I could double boycott them, I would.

I haven't actually lived near an HL, just been there when visiting family that does. Did the ads really say Jews are going to hell? I wouldn't be surprised.

[GeoBQn]

How are they defining a "closely-held corporation"? (Sorry--strapped for time and can't look it up--it sounds like some of you are right on top of this, though). The 90% figure scares the crap out of me. :(

It's a corporation with a limited number of shareholders.

http://legal.answers.com/procedures/the ... orporation

[lawlifelgbt]

This has got my wife and I really worried! It's very possible that this could soon turn into a "license to discriminate" and even lead to us not being able to be on each other's health insurance.

Under the same reasoning as the opinion, a company could refuse to hire, promote, or even serve us because of their "religious views" being antigay. They also wouldn't be required (as the laws apply in my state) to offer coverage for legally married same-sex spouses if the health coverage is offered to opposite-sex spouses if their religion meant that they would not "condone homosexuality" or some shit.

We are so angry and scared.

[Childless]

In a way, maybe SCOTUS did us all a favor today. They say this decision is exclusive to birth control, but they don't have the power to make that statement. Say, a JW owned company brings a case to SCOTUS saying they shouldn't have to provide coverage for blood transfusions due to their religious beliefs. Despite what SCOTUS said in the Hobby Lobby decision, they've set precedent. To deny the JW owned business of essentially the same right they gave Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wagon, they're effectively endorsing one religion over another which is a constitutional violation. The JW owned business WILL win their suit.

So, say I get a job only to find out the company won't cover birth control because they're owned by Christian nutjobs. So, I quit and get a job at another company only to find out it's owned by Scientologists who won't cover psychiatric drugs. So, I get yet another job only to find out that company is owned by Muslim wackos who won't cover drugs that use pork byproducts. You can see how frustrating this could get. In the end, it's going to become such a cluster fuck that the government and a majority of citizens are just going to say the hell with it and institute universal healthcare.

In 10 or 15 years, we may look back on this day and celebrate it as our first step toward the progressive healthcare system the rest of the world has already figured out.