Passport2Purity

[snarkbillie]

I remember when I was in Fundie-lite church women talking about taking their daughters to a "girl's weekend" and doing things like this. I don't know if this was the same curriculum or not but a lady on the 19Kids page was talking about doing the same so it's possible.

http://www.familylife.com/find-help/key ... ort2purity

I guess you can listen to excerpts online for free. Personally, I would never couch the whole birds and bees thing with any kind of "purity" bullshit, but that's just me.

[Glass Cowcatcher]

Hope I don't sidetrack the thread, but my jaw dropped at this little gem from the parent site:

The prevalence of women in the workplace has made a direct impact on the number of extramarital affairs. Job influences are crucial simply because much of one's week is spent with business associates. That prolonged and regular contact may easily lead to dangerously close associations. Unless one draws clear limits to his associations and resolves not to transgress those limits, he will naturally drift towards companionships that could harm him and his marriage. The businessman, like the preacher, should heed Paul's advice: "Treat the younger women as sisters" (1 Timothy 5:2). No sounder approach is possible.

[pixydust]

Hope I don't sidetrack the thread, but my jaw dropped at this little gem from the parent site:

OMG, seriously? My husband works with several women, I don't have any concern about him cheating with any of them! Most adults know what is right and wrong, and try to live that way.

[Glass Cowcatcher]

OMG, seriously? My husband works with several women, I don't have any concern about him cheating with any of them! Most adults know what is right and wrong, and try to live that way.

I just don't understand how the men, who apparently have no control at all over their sexual urges, are supposed to rule over the family.

[snarkbillie]

I listened to the "intro" where they say what all they'll talk about, which includes "improper sexual behavior like oral sex, pornography, and same sex attraction".....yuck. I talked about all those things with my tween at some point or another but none of it was "improper". Mostly it was "condoms are good" and "porn is unrealistic" and "some people like boys and some like girls and some like both".

[Kitty]

I just don't understand how the men, who apparently have no control at all over their sexual urges, are supposed to rule over the family.

And I'm sure that working men were having affairs LONG before it was socially acceptable for women to work. Hell, even when the majority of working women were cleaners, nannies, or secretaries they were in contact with men all the time while they worked.

Edit: I found the full text of 1 Timothy 5 on biblegateway.com. Paul's advice to men to treat younger women as sisters does NOT mean that they should treat them like sisters to avoid being defrauded and stumbling or whatever. It's basically Paul telling Christian men how to treat all other people, and how Christians should behave toward each other (like caring for widows and letting younger widows re-marry). Nothing in that chapter says anything about not cheating. You're supposed to treat older men like fathers, older women like mothers and younger women like sisters, because that's the whole "love thy neighbor" thing Jesus was all about. Whoever wrote that page about affairs in the workplace also assumes that every single heterosexual relationship consists of an older man and younger woman. Men totally aren't into older women, not at all :roll:

[Glass Cowcatcher]

And I'm sure that working men were having affairs LONG before it was socially acceptable for women to work. Hell, even when the majority of working women were cleaners, nannies, or secretaries they were in contact with men all the time while they worked.

In some times and places it was even somewhat socially acceptable to have a mistress on the side. Then you have stories of things like the "Hell on Wheels" towns, where 'working women' basically followed around men's workplaces.

Edit: I found the full text of 1 Timothy 5 on biblegateway.com. Paul's advice to men to treat younger women as sisters does NOT mean that they should treat them like sisters to avoid being defrauded and stumbling or whatever. It's basically Paul telling Christian men how to treat all other people, and how Christians should behave toward each other (like caring for widows and letting younger widows re-marry). Nothing in that chapter says anything about not cheating. You're supposed to treat older men like fathers, older women like mothers and younger women like sisters, because that's the whole "love thy neighbor" thing Jesus was all about. Whoever wrote that page about affairs in the workplace also assumes that every single heterosexual relationship consists of an older man and younger woman. Men totally aren't into older women, not at all :roll:

In the context of the site, though, i found the use of that particular verse insulting, because treating younger women as "sisters" implied that they were young girls, who could not take care of themselves, like the men on the workplace were basically just babysitting the women.

[Kitty]

I couldn't find the page that was on, but yeah, I do see how that implies that the men are basically babysitting the women. Jesus. Because women are never in higher positions than men, right?

I did find this, however: http://www.familylife.com/articles/topi ... mismatched

From what I can tell, this whole site is mostly geared toward wives and mothers (because men don't want or need help with family life, right?) but all of those articles just seem to encourage women to be controlling and jealous. Jealous of the husband's female co-workers, any other woman in the husband's life, and to basically be a martyr if the husband doesn't believe the same as the wife. Because women are all holy and shit and would never stop believing in God, oh no :roll: like I did at fourteen! Maybe teenage girls just aren't as spiritually tuned in or whatever as married women? I read one story about a woman who was in an abusive relationship and wouldn't leave instead, "turning it over to God." She accepted that her marriage would never be happy or loving, and it all paid off because now her husband is disabled and she's the one taking care of him! :o Moral of this story: Don't worry about your asshole husband, ladies, because 40 years from now he'll be at YOUR mercy!

Jeeeeeeeeeesus.

[Glass Cowcatcher]

I couldn't find the page that was on, but yeah, I do see how that implies that the men are basically babysitting the women. Jesus. Because women are never in higher positions than men, right?

It was here, sorry, I forgot the link:

http://www.familylifeDOTcom/articles/to ... age-garden

I did find this, however: http://www.familylife.com/articles/topi ... mismatched

..all of those articles just seem to encourage women to be controlling and jealous. Jealous of the husband's female co-workers, any other woman in the husband's life, and to basically be a martyr if the husband doesn't believe the same as the wife.

You'd think they would clue in to how this kind of behavior actually does rot marriages, but instead, they're encouraging it.

I read one story about a woman who was in an abusive relationship and wouldn't leave instead, "turning it over to God." She accepted that her marriage would never be happy or loving, and it all paid off because now her husband is disabled and she's the one taking care of him! :o Moral of this story: Don't worry about your asshole husband, ladies, because 40 years from now he'll be at YOUR mercy!

Or he might, you know, snap and kill the woman and possibly the children? It happens every day.

[Kitty]

You'd think they would clue in to how this kind of behavior actually does rot marriages, but instead, they're encouraging it.

Indeed. I don't understand why anyone would choose to stay in a relationship like that. Maybe I'm just a young, naive, 20 year old heathen.

Acting like a martyr in a relationship is bound to destroy it faster, because you're holding your 'sacrifices' over your significant other's head, and that's never healthy.

And for all the talk of 'submission' fundies spout, these Family Life writers do enjoy turning every marriage into a goddamn power struggle. They confuse 'submission' for 'passive aggression,' which really isn't a whole lot better.

[Glass Cowcatcher]

Indeed. I don't understand why anyone would choose to stay in a relationship like that. Maybe I'm just a young, naive, 20 year old heathen.

Acting like a martyr in a relationship is bound to destroy it faster, because you're holding your 'sacrifices' over your significant other's head, and that's never healthy.

And for all the talk of 'submission' fundies spout, these Family Life writers do enjoy turning every marriage into a goddamn power struggle. They confuse 'submission' for 'passive aggression,' which really isn't a whole lot better.

When I was your age (I'm only a few years older than you, don't think i"m talking down to you) I said "Screw you" to an asshole of a partner who thought he was God on Earth and wanted to be worshiped as such. I get livid about this kind of advice, because that relationship damn near killed me at least in the emotional sense, and these assholes don't lose a wink of sleep telling women to stay in that kind of relationship.

[genericJname]

Ooh, I found another great gem on that site:

http://wwwdotshopfamilylife.com/p-2007- ... -have.aspx

Aggressive girls, clueless boys.

In our sex-saturated world, how can parents address the dramatic upswing of sexually forward girls in hot pursuit of their young sons?

:lol:

[Glass Cowcatcher]

Ooh, I found another great gem on that site:

http://wwwdotshopfamilylife.com/p-2007- ... -have.aspx

Aggressive girls, clueless boys.

:lol:

Hide yo wife, hide yo kids, the Twitards be rapin' everybody! :lol:

[Kitty]

Ooh, I found another great gem on that site:

http://wwwdotshopfamilylife.com/p-2007- ... -have.aspx

Aggressive girls, clueless boys.

:lol:

'dramatic upswing'? :roll: Girls are a little more assertive, yes, but walk into any high school and you'll quickly figure out that the boys are STILL a lot worse.

Of course they're trying to go back to the '50s where boys were little gentlemen and girls were shy and dainty or something. So of course girls in the 2000s/2010s are aggressive tempting harlots out to seduce all the little gentlemen :roll:

Considering they're all about wifely submission, they probably think that any kind of assertiveness or disagreement in any relationship is sinful because the woman isn't submitting.