Duggars and Bates must be so proud to support Santorum

[dawn9476]

According to a reporter in Colorado where Ricky boy is campaigning, a mother complained about how expensive the drugs are for her child's heart condition and Ricky said "companies need to make profits."

 

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[PokaDot]

Well...Until the majority of Americans believe that health care is a right and not a commodity, you'll continue to hear stories like this.

I mean, pretty much any GOP candidate will say something similar.

[crazyforkate]

I don't know how Americans survive under the system, frankly. One bad illness/injury, something that's not covered at the right time, and you could be in debt forever. It just boggles the mind. These aren't customers for your average commodity where you can just choose something else, these are people who might need that specific thing and can't go to another source. Lives are at stake, for heaven's sake.

Shame on you, Rick Santorum.

[3 is enough]

Wow. Of course, he and his family are covered by the Congressional plan for the rest of their lives. (correct me if I'm wrong).

Typical "I've got mine, fuck you" mentality.

[countressrascal]

He believes that medical insurance is a priviledge not a right. He has a real weird explaination that I don't fully understand.

[Guest Anonymous]

I don't know how Americans survive under the system, frankly. One bad illness/injury, something that's not covered at the right time, and you could be in debt forever. It just boggles the mind. These aren't customers for your average commodity where you can just choose something else, these are people who might need that specific thing and can't go to another source. Lives are at stake, for heaven's sake.

Shame on you, Rick Santorum.

Rick Santorum can bite me. I'm uninsured as we just can't pay the premiums with just Social Security plus a small pension. In November, I nearly died from a burst appendix. Without specifying the exact cost of my care, it will probably take us 6 or 7 years to pay it all off. And we're not even as bad off as many. It's easy for him to talk, since as an ex-Senator he has premiium health coverage.

[marmalade]

Rick Santorum can bite me. I'm uninsured as we just can't pay the premiums with just Social Security plus a small pension. In November, I nearly died from a burst appendix. Without specifying the exact cost of my care, it will probably take us 6 or 7 years to pay it all off. And we're not even as bad off as many. It's easy for him to talk, since as an ex-Senator he has premiium health coverage.

I was in the hospital 5 days after my appendix burst; the bill was 80 grand. Thankfully, my husband's union has excellent coverage and we didn't pay a dime. But I can't imagine having to pay off that kind of debt. Hell, I'm going back to school for a graduate degree and will be voluntarily putting myself around 40 grand in the hole. If I don't get a job right away, paying back that loan is going to be akin to paying off a 3 day hospital stay.

I can't wait until those fucks dissolve Medicare; it'll basically kill off what's left of "The Greatest Generation" and everyone else over 65 inside of 3 years (almost no one gets to be that age without SOME condition, even if it's just high cholesterol). Those drugs are still a fortune without good insurance. Way to set us back 100 years, assholes.

[slickcat79]

What an ass, especially right now when he's just faced a medical crisis with his own child. By that logic, Bella should definitely be dead by now. There's no way Santorum could afford her most recent hospital stay, never mind the other costs associated with her condition if he didn't have good insurance. You don't actually need to make a profit off the death and suffering of others.

[Avalondaughter]

If you're the Duggars and Bates, you believe that poor people need to have more faith and rely on God and God will keep them from getting sick or heal them when they are.

Unless God has a plan for them that includes strengthening their faith through giving them adversity. Then they can say how God got them through it.

[Esther]

Well...Until the majority of Americans believe that health care is a right and not a commodity, you'll continue to hear stories like this.

I just don't get how anyone can think that and not feel like they're being an asshole. Especially Christians. I'm no Christian, but Jesus sounds like a great guy who would've given the shirt off his back to anyone who needed it. So unless you're just gonna own up to the fact that you're too fucking selfish to do even half of what your supposed lord and saviour would've done... shut up.

[Luvchild]

Did anyone see Family Guy this week? I don't know if it was a rerun or not, but it was against the Christian Science religion, saying something like these Christians would rather sit around praying for a cure for their sick child. What if medicine that has been developed over the last century is the cure God has brought, and good doctors are the miracles God has brought. It was really good at looking at the hypocrisy of this religion. Not that any of those Christian fundamentalists would be watching that program, but good try anyhow.

Also, why do they not think providing health care and medicine to the most needy is not the Christian thing to do? Seriously, such a bunch of hypocrites.

[freejoytoo]

I just don't get how anyone can think that and not feel like they're being an asshole. Especially Christians. I'm no Christian, but Jesus sounds like a great guy who would've given the shirt off his back to anyone who needed it. So unless you're just gonna own up to the fact that you're too fucking selfish to do even half of what your supposed lord and saviour would've done... shut up.

I agree. I'm not Christian but if you ask me, Jesus would have been all for universal healthcare seeing as he was for helping the poor, not for making them wonder if they can afford treatment.

I don't understand how anyone can think that healthcare isn't a right. It shouldn't be something you can afford.

[SpeakNow]

I agree. I'm not Christian but if you ask me, Jesus would have been all for universal healthcare seeing as he was for helping the poor, not for making them wonder if they can afford treatment.

I don't understand how anyone can think that healthcare isn't a right. It shouldn't be something you can afford.

amen to that!

[PokaDot]

I agree. I'm not Christian but if you ask me, Jesus would have been all for universal healthcare seeing as he was for helping the poor, not for making them wonder if they can afford treatment.

I don't understand how anyone can think that healthcare isn't a right. It shouldn't be something you can afford.

I've done a lot of asking around various people in and out of the US on this subject. If they are against universal health care, the argument comes down to is one of three things things: 1) They believe health care is a commodity (because tests, equipment, drugs, etc... cost money, they should be commercialized and given to those who can afford it) and/or 2) They don't want to pay for "someone else's" care (Ex: Why should I help out person X if he gets sick? That's not my problem!). The third is the generic OMG it's socialism and that's EVIL EVIL EVIL! (insert something about how churches should run the country/provide welfare). Thanks to McCarthyism and the Red Scare, we (still) hate anything that remotely resembles government overstep and taking over.

Anyways, IMNSHO, it comes down to what the culture of America is: We don't do the "I'll help you if you help me" thing very well (because it's socialist/communist/whatever-evil-thing-we're-against). It's all about "me". We thrive on the "pick yourself up by the bootstrap" mentality.

Also, I've noticed one opinion here of this theoretical case: If someone smoked their entire life, and wound up getting lung cancer, and doesn't have insurance, who should be responsible for paying for the cost of treating the caner. Most people for universal health care would say "All if us. Because when we get sick, we want care". People against universal health care: "He should. He brought it on himself"

I think I still have the survey I asked my friends. I'll post it here (in a different thread obviously) if you guys think it would be an interesting discussion (if anything to see what people around the planet think).

[koolmom]

That sounds like a doozy of a survey! Please post it when you can!

[freejoytoo]

Seriously, what's so evil about socialism anyway? It's not the same as Communism, nor was the Communism practised in the USSR the kind set out by Karl Marx.

I have never got America's fear of socialism. The socialist countries in Europe are doing pretty well.

[PokaDot]

That sounds like a doozy of a survey! Please post it when you can!

Still somewhat new (to posting) here. What forum would this be best suited for?

[cindyluvs24]

Even bad medical care is as expensive as good medical care in this country. My hubby goes to Sloan-Kettering in NYC for his scans and oncologist and they know things that our local hospitals are light years away from. If he didn't have his good insurance, we'd be screwed.

[Elle]

crayforkate, MANY Americans DIE from lack of health care, and starting in 2014, it's going to be federal law to buy insurance, no matter whether you can afford to hand over 12.5% of your income or not. My family will, frankly, be unable to buy food when we have to give that much to insurance. We already can't afford it, and it's going to get more expensive.

But rich fuckers like Santorum, who doesn't have to pay his own premiums, don't understand this. Plus he's probably got stock tied to the drug companies.

At least he's nailed his coffin shut and has no chance of winning the Republican seat.

[Elle]

Also Sandumbass would be complaining if he had to pay for his sick daughter's medical care, even though he's rich.

[FearLyss]

The Bates couple said, in an abc primetime special (my extra ordinary family), that they did not have medical insurance. I doubt he would actually be ok if one of their 47 children got sick and was turned away from the ER.

[DarkAnts]

[debrand]

I just don't get how anyone can think that and not feel like they're being an asshole. Especially Christians. I'm no Christian, but Jesus sounds like a great guy who would've given the shirt off his back to anyone who needed it. So unless you're just gonna own up to the fact that you're too fucking selfish to do even half of what your supposed lord and saviour would've done... shut up.

My neighbor lectured me about how we live in a Robin Hood society where everyone wants to be given everything and not work for what they have. No amount of logic or fact would have reached him.

[demgirl]

"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.†- Stephen Colbert