Condoms at Liberty U

[wotdancer]

I've mentioned before that, in a former life (for both myself and the school), I went to Liberty University. Apparently they have birth control available on campus now, and it's stirring quite the controversy.

This article is insanely conservative, but I brought it to FJ hoping for more intelligent conversation!

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/get-your-christ-like-condom-at-the-lu-health-center

[Howl]

Woo, lots of pearl clutching. This is the author's bio: 

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I am a Constitutional-Conservative Libertarian Christian Feminist who wants to redefine feminism for her generation and effect change wherever God calls her.  

Girl, please!  I get the impression that she's young.  And idealistic. And young. 

Several commenters pointed out that this clinic is not a Liberty University clinic, but a community health clinic.  Someone else pointed out that many Liberty University students are married, so need birth control.  

There is also a link to NaProTechnology: 

http://www.naprotechnology.com/ 

I found this Catholic Web site interesting, because one of the tab addresses PMS, which was the absolute bane of my existence for, oh, 40 years.  They thought this was important to address because PMS can adversely effect relationships (true) and cause a lot of general misery (also true).  

Of course, the main purpose is to make sure women can have babies or deal with life if that isn't what god called them to do.  But still.....

 

[imokit]

@wotdancer is this more reasoned conversation for you?

Have you read the comments on that page?  They are surprisingly critical of the article, and mainly written by Liberty students.

Poor brainwashed lady:

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1. Available birth control on campus will likely increase sexual promiscuity among students -  Contrary to popular myth, birth control does not decrease abortion, but only increases sexual misconduct.

No source present - you if you are contradicting common knowledge (which she admits to doing), you MUST show a source/study - even if the study is crap, at least show something to back you up.

 

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2. Hormonal Contraception causes chemical abortions

Again source - evidence shows that the ones mentioned by the clinic prevent ovulation, some may prevent implantation.  None of these are chemical abortions.  Lots of fertilised eggs don't implant - that's god's will, proving that a fertilised egg would have implanted but didn't due to birth control is impossible.

 

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3. The concept of controlling birth is historically unbiblical and goes against the Christian marriage sexual ethic and natural law

A lot of things go against biblical christian marriage - are you going to object if your future husband takes multiple wives and concubines?  What about age we don't know how old Mary was when Jesus was born, but we do know that girls of that time were marrying at menarche (12-14).

Abortion is not mentioned in the bible - ergo it is not unbiblical

And yes - women have been inducing abortion to various success since humanity started, and were certainly doing so in biblical times

Thus - it doesn't go against historical christian marriage sexual ethic or natural law - unless history started in the 1900s - she even acknowledges it didn't become a christian crusade until the 1970s.

http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_abortion.htm

http://womenshistory.about.com/od/abortion/a/ancientabortion.htm

[nastyhobbitses]

This just reminds me of the part in Mean Girls with the gym teacher teaching sex ed. Don't have sex because you will get pregnant and die...OK everyone, take some rubbers.

[Toothfairy]

14 hours ago, imokit said:

@wotdancer is this more reasoned conversation for you?

Have you read the comments on that page?  They are surprisingly critical of the article, and mainly written by Liberty students.

Poor brainwashed lady:

No source present - you if you are contradicting common knowledge (which she admits to doing), you MUST show a source/study - even if the study is crap, at least show something to back you up.

 

Again source - evidence shows that the ones mentioned by the clinic prevent ovulation, some may prevent implantation.  None of these are chemical abortions.  Lots of fertilised eggs don't implant - that's god's will, proving that a fertilised egg would have implanted but didn't due to birth control is impossible.

 

A lot of things go against biblical christian marriage - are you going to object if your future husband takes multiple wives and concubines?  What about age we don't know how old Mary was when Jesus was born, but we do know that girls of that time were marrying at menarche (12-14).

Abortion is not mentioned in the bible - ergo it is not unbiblical

And yes - women have been inducing abortion to various success since humanity started, and were certainly doing so in biblical times

Thus - it doesn't go against historical christian marriage sexual ethic or natural law - unless history started in the 1900s - she even acknowledges it didn't become a christian crusade until the 1970s.

http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_abortion.htm

http://womenshistory.about.com/od/abortion/a/ancientabortion.htm

Translation I don't want people to fuck because I don't have a sex life.