Asians are more racist than the KKK

[SpeakNow]

Once again Lousewife shows off her vile intolerance.

"They support ‘affirmative action’ because all Asian societies are tribal- and clan-based in nature, with extreme xenophobia present between tribes and clans, much less evinced towards those of other races and nationalities. Asians are so ‘racist’ that they make the KKK look like the NAACP; every single Asian I talked to about the election of 2008 was astonished that the U.S. would elect a black man as President, since in their view, blacks are subhuman."

"He said he would often circulate in the Chinese community and listen to the conversations, without the residents knowing he could understand them. He said their common term for an American was “foreign devil.†(I’ve confirmed this from other sources.) He said they have “no respect†for white Americans and generally regard blacks as amimals.

On the subject of corruption, he said that Chinese restaurants have different sets of books, one to show the IRS and the other to show the real cash flow. They don’t worry about audits because 1) few IRS agents speak Chinese and can decipher the available records 2) if an auditor should figure out what’s going on the proprietors can simply shout “racism.†They are quite aware of the potency and usefulness and of that charge."

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[terranova]

ALL Asians? Like from Oman to Japan and everyone in between? Wow that's a lot of racists there. :roll:

[JesusFightClub]

To be fair to the Lousewife, that's one of her commenters, not her. Since she approves the comments, though, that's not precisely an excuse!

I also notice that the main post has the usual shit about guns:

They support gun control because their assumption is that the system can be used to keep guns out of the hands of undesirables (e.g., blacks, Arabs, et. al.), while they themselves will be able to pretty much openly own guns by paying bribes to the relevant government officials, as they do in their native countries (China is the big exception to this, as the Communists have pretty much eradicated gun ownership amongst the hoi polloi; in Japan, the yakuza and other elements in the underlying power structure, as well as politicians, openly own firearms).

There's so much wrong with this it's difficult to know where to start, but one thing (as a generally pro-gun person) that really fucking irritates me is this idea that everyone in every country everywhere was armed to the teeth until the ebil Big Government took all their guns away. In Japan I knew absolutely no-one who wanted to own a gun and felt like they were being deprived of their rights. In the UK, the American right constantly tell us that we have had our guns taken by successive socialist governments, but the truth is completely different - although we have strict gun-control laws, which I am not happy about, we have never had a widespread culture of gun ownership in the UK. Farmers had shitty old guns, some people had revolvers their dad brought back from the war and then stuffed in a drawer and forgot about, some (a very few) dodgy types had guns, that was it. Not even the polis are armed (to be fair, give one of our coppers a gun and he tends to behave like a twat with it, which is why we decided not to arm them in the first place). In China, you really telling me before the Communists took power everyone was strolling about with serious weaponry?

On the subject of corruption, he said that Chinese restaurants have different sets of books, one to show the IRS and the other to show the real cash flow. They don’t worry about audits because 1) few IRS agents speak Chinese and can decipher the available records 2) if an auditor should figure out what’s going on the proprietors can simply shout “racism.†They are quite aware of the potency and usefulness and of that charge."

Yeah yeah ;)

I know from the Revenue. Believe me, it's not only Chinese restaurants that attempt "creative auditing" and nor is it the majority of Chinese restaurants either. Like everywhere, it's a tiny minority that pull stupid crap and when they are found out they are clamped down on. Shouting "racism" won't keep you out the jail - that's a myth, when does it ever? If you are found guilty of tax evasion or fraud, you can claim the whole of HMRC or the IRS are racist but that will not sway the fiscals.

[dora]

Yep, married to an investigator in the tax department here, same deal.

in my industry I've seen a LOT of small business owners of all ethnic backgrounds who were unable to claim business interruption insurance because they 'didn't keep any records' and presumably didn't pay any employment taxes. Can't prove your loss, can't get a claim paid.

When we were students my husband worked in an Asian restaurant - a very popular one. Several years later it closed down when it was discovered that they had not been paying PAYE (employment tax) although they were deducting it. No possibility of getting out of that by claiming racism.

We have a number of Asian friends, if they are all racist and hate us, they're doing a pretty good job of hiding it. Especially the ones who are married to people of European descent.

[Joan of Snarc]

Not even the polis are armed (to be fair, give one of our coppers a gun and he tends to behave like a twat with it, which is why we decided not to arm them in the first place).

:lol: I do love how our friends in the UK express themselves :lol: Makes my day! Plus our coppers act like twats with guns too, but hey, that never stopped the good 'ole USofA from arming anybody (and everybody!)

[Mary C Doates]

I thought this thread was going to be about yet another Kidist anti-Asian rant...

[Arete]

I have a new flash for the Lousewife's commentator-Asians are hardly the inventors of the venerable practice of keeping two sets of books in cafés/restaurants/diners. In the NYS area, the practice is WIDESPREAD. The tax man gets some, and you keep the rest. Sure, they could lock registers and place inspectors in your place for weeks, but for the most part, it is not done. Too many people from the owners to the employees to the vendors have a stake in some unreported income to actually make complaints.

Yeah, it is not a tiny minority, and it is not limited to one minority. Only the franchises are actually being consistently honest, and that is because they have deeper pockets to sue and negative publicity in one place can affect the franchise on a national level.

[Loveday]

I thought this thread was going to be about yet another Kidist anti-Asian rant...

So did I! :lol:

I can't wait to tell my Filipino husband about how racist he is. Of course, Filipinos are 'Pacific Islander' Asians, so maybe being separated from the mainland by a body of water has diluted their racism just a bit.

I just can't even with this crap. :roll:

[samurai_sarah]

This is totally true. We, Asians, are like the borg. We all look alike, we all think alike. Not a single one of us has a different opinion. And that is why we all supported our fellow Asian, Mitt Romney, in the last US election. Because Obama was so clearly not one of us that we couldn't be asked, to read up on his policies, and the hive mind just decided. And by "hive mind", I mean Amy Chua, the "tiger mom" who speaks for ALL of us*! We are the collective. We are not individuals with different lives, different experiences and different opinions. We live in tribes and clans, and caves (although my landlady persists in describing mine as a "flat"). We tribal people also still kill mammoths, and devour their flesh uncooked, because we haven't figured out how to make fire yet...uh, maybe I should go offline to figure that one out at last. Several billion people all across the globe with lives, experiences and opinions of their own (and central heating) will be grateful. But I speak for all of us. All billions of individuals. Everywhere. At all times! :angry-banghead:

*) No idea how she voted. Don't care. She just annoys me with her assertions about "Asian moms", so I took a swipe at her, because I can.

P.S.: I'm also not a US citizen.

Edited for riffles

[GolightlyGrrl]

I thought this thread was going to be about yet another Kidist anti-Asian rant...

Me, too!!

One of my besties, Nora, is Japanese-American. I should have known what a racist she is when she she declared, "Death to all white people!" while we texted during the Grammy Awards.

[gardenvarietycitizen]

Politicians in Japan openly carrying firearms? What planet is this person from?

There are guns in Japan (sadly, the amount of gun crime is increasing). Yes, organized crime is more and more happening with guns (often smuggled via North Korea - it's one source of private foreign currency over there). But the idea that this is somehow just "open" is crazy.

...and as others said, there's not any sort of widespread feeling that regular members of the public want to or need to carry firearms for personal safety. In fact one popular stereotype of Americans is that they're gun obsessed and paranoid, ready to shoot anything that moves. The stereotype is that there's mass shootings in schools every day. The accidental shooting of a Japanese exchange student who went to the wrong house on Halloween some years ago only helped cement that reputation.

In Illinois there are "Burma Shave" type signs put out by a group "gunssavelife.com" on some rural highways, and several people I know have stopped to take pics of those signs to show to people back home as a "haha can you believe it? It's totally guns guns guns, yep! We're totally in the US now!" type amazement thing.

[YPestis]

As a Chinese, I can concur that "foreign devil" is used as a pejorative against foreigners. "White devil" is a term used against white people. During WWII, there was also "Japanese devil". However, in America, we too have a slew of racist terms to describe different nationalities and race. That doesn't mean it's commonly used. I visit China regularly I've never heard "foreign devil' used (nor any other xenophobic terms). That doesn't mean it's never used, but it's uncommon, even between Chinese persons, and, quite frankly, very rude.

The issue of race in China is about as complex as in any other country. I will say that many people in China have few interactions with black people and will parrot racist ideas due to ignorance and no contextual understanding of race relations in other countries. However, Chinese-Americans who grew up here are no more racists than their white counterparts. Oh, and with a 1.3+ billion people, there's probably a huge range of acceptance of different races in and outside of China.

I think TTH is guilty of the typical racist fallback of showcasing the worst stereotypes of one group and extrapolating it on everyone. It's no different than assuming all Americans are lazy, guy-totin', uncouthed white people who can't do math (had to add this one is as I was accused of being math illiterate in China).

As for guns in China....not sure where TTH gets her info but the Chinese didn't go around carrying guns prior to 1949. As hard as it is for TTH and her crazy ilks believe, not every country had a gun culture. Only the rich could afford guns, and only they could go hunting. Most Chinese prior to 1949 were subsistence farmers. There was no money (or need) for guns on the land (no large game). There were no native Americans to kill, few game to hunt, and no money for guns. And this is from a country that *invented* gun powder lol.

And yes, the CCP has banned gun ownership but every the Chinese I've spoken with all thought it was as normal as banning heroin or hand grenades. To them, guns are for soldiers. Even few policemen in China carry guns. Once, my policeman uncle told me that he sometimes has to chase down *really* dangerous criminals, and have to carry a GUN! *insert shocked face* It's just a different mentality there. There's no culture of game hunting for the masses and violent crime is not common. And most people don't feel safer with guns around. Frankly, if gun ownership was suppose to prevent a tyrannical takeover, how do fundies assume the mythical gun-totin' Chinese managed to let the Communists take power? The Chinese and Chinese-Americans I've spoken with have mostly though of guns as liabilities and a blight on US society. I'm sure some Chinese would love to own guns, but there's no cultural history with guns like in the US. As I stated, it's a different mentality. People like the TTH can't think beyond their own cultural contexts and constantly try to extrapolate their beliefs onto other countries. All it does it make them look stupid.

[hapamama]

Ah, the old "All Asians are alike" bullcrap again. Lovely.

[Vex]

I'd love to know how many Asians these commenters actually know. Not in the sense of 'that Asian who works in the grocery store' or 'the Asian who works with my husband', but Asian people who they are on a first name basis with.

I'm guessing that the number would be zero.

I am white and I regularly shop at several Asian grocery stores. I have never received so much as a second glance and the staff have never been anything but polite and helpful. They certainly don't immediately begin whispering or pointing. Some of my closest friends have happened to be Asian and they were as open to other cultures as anyone I've ever met.

Honestly, racist people are missing out on some awesome friends. That's their loss. I can get in to see my (Chinese) doctor any time I like, he's never as busy as the white doctors at my medical clinic because the customer base is largely made up of elderly people who don't like having to deal with people who have accents. Personally, I'd rather have the doctor who has gone through medical school in two different languages, but what do I know?

[flojo]

I lived in Japan for 3 years. And guess what - there are racist people there. There are also racist people in the US. There are also racist people in Turkey. There are also racist people in Canada. There are racist people in my home country of New Zealand.

I have experienced racism in Japan (not frequently directed toward me - a white female, but frequently directed toward my male friends of non-Japanese origin). I have also experienced racism here in the US - I have been told that I am the "right kind of immigrant", purely based on assumptions about my legal status and education level from talking to me for all of two minutes, and the fact that I am a white English speaker. The assumptions happened to be correct, but it still really frustrated me.

For the most part, however, people I knew in Japan weren't racist - as seems to be the pattern in every country I've spent significant time in.

Stuff like this makes my blood boil.

Incidentally, in my experience (which is not the be all and end all of understanding Japan, of course), guns are significantly less common than the US, and there isn't the same percieved right to ownership. I lived in a city where the Yakuza were very, very strong, and I never once saw a gun - I'm sure they used them, but never that I saw. Incidentally, my city was extremely safe because nobody dared with petty crime.

[Vex]

There is a certain kind of xenophobia present in Japan, but it's fairly understandable since the country was isolated from the rest of the world for such a long time and suffered a lot of hardship at the hands of the forigeners who occupied the country. From what I understand from talking to people who spent time working/living in Japan is that they will get stares and hear people say 'gaijin', but generally that only happens with very little kids or very old people and it's usually confined to more rural areas. They didn't really experience the stares and whispers in cities or larger towns.

The Yakuza doesn't go around openly carrying, though. LOL. Like Flojo said, in areas where there is a strong Yakuza presence the instances of petty crime drop because nobody wants to piss off the clans. The Yakuza is not the mafia, and is nothing like American organised crime.

[Arete]

It's what, a better sort of organized crime?

[JesusFightClub]

LOL, AreteJo! I don't think Vex meant that :lol:

I have met and dealt with yakuza a little tiny bit but I don't know anything about US organised crime so I'll keep my mouth shut on that. They are intimidating but they do it without openly carrying weaponry - the lower level ones are flashy and have a lot of tattoos and casually drop the fact of their allegiance into conversation, the slightly more higher ones are sleekit (sorry, I don't know what the word for that is in English :embarrassed: It is a useful Scots word which I suspect doesn't have a precise translation). I also don't know how they organise internally.

If you meet the small lower level ones you are likely to find one thing - Japanese people who see you speaking to them will warn you who you were just speaking to and say "because you're a foreigner you don't know but...". This is quite kind of them.

[Vex]

LOL No, I didn't mean it that way. It's just as bad as any other criminal organisation, just has a different cultural background.

[rhianna]

There is a certain kind of xenophobia present in Japan, but it's fairly understandable since the country was isolated from the rest of the world for such a long time and suffered a lot of hardship at the hands of the forigeners who occupied the country.

Sorry to display my ignorance, but when and by whom was Japan occupied?

[Vex]

The US occupied Japan after WWII. Technically it was the allied forces who occupied Japan, but it was led by the US and the vast majority of troops there were American.

[August]

I lived in Japan for 3 years. And guess what - there are racist people there. There are also racist people in the US. There are also racist people in Turkey. There are also racist people in Canada. There are racist people in my home country of New Zealand.

I have experienced racism in Japan (not frequently directed toward me - a white female, but frequently directed toward my male friends of non-Japanese origin). I have also experienced racism here in the US - I have been told that I am the "right kind of immigrant", purely based on assumptions about my legal status and education level from talking to me for all of two minutes, and the fact that I am a white English speaker. The assumptions happened to be correct, but it still really frustrated me.

For the most part, however, people I knew in Japan weren't racist - as seems to be the pattern in every country I've spent significant time in.

Stuff like this makes my blood boil.

Incidentally, in my experience (which is not the be all and end all of understanding Japan, of course), guns are significantly less common than the US, and there isn't the same percieved right to ownership. I lived in a city where the Yakuza were very, very strong, and I never once saw a gun - I'm sure they used them, but never that I saw. Incidentally, my city was extremely safe because nobody dared with petty crime.

As a white person, the only time I've experienced negative racism was in Japan, the positive racism I experience everywhere else passes without notice. It's not surprising then that people find it so shocking and remarkable. You think I'm a slut because I'm white? How dare you? You're the inferior one! I'm white!

[Arete]

Vex and JFC,

OK, as is obvious, reading comprehension and I parted on bad terms early last night. :embarrassed:

[flojo]

As a white person, the only time I've experienced negative racism was in Japan, the positive racism I experience everywhere else passes without notice. It's not surprising then that people find it so shocking and remarkable. You think I'm a slut because I'm white? How dare you? You're the inferior one! I'm white!

I think this is part of it too. I have experienced a lot of positive racism. After a while it is hard to recognise it - you are kind of used to being different, and being treated differently, but you forget why.

It is actually a really odd experience for me in moving tot he US. I used to be seen as different immediately, from the way I look. Here (small town Ohio) it is weird - I don't look different, but when I talk with an obviouly foreign accent I can find myself with a similar sense of being the other. People are REALLY friendly about it, but you still have the constant reminder that you are different.

There is also the life facts that come with being different - I don't consider it so much racism as an interest in other people and other cultures. But, for example, I became very used to having strangers approach me for a conversation at all time in all places - train, grocery store, in the street, onsen, restaurant etc. I spent some time working in a community far out in the middle of the countryside. Myself and an Iraqi man, who owned a not for profit farm to show city kids how rice was grown nearby, were the only foreigners in the area (I actually commuted in). The people were nothing but welcoming and kind, but you just factored into your tme that you would be stopped/ asked to be in photographs/ given odd jobs to do at events etc. I see these experiences as different to racism though, especially as part of my job description, because of the programme I was on (JET), was to share culture and encourage internationalism (basically, whilst the job is teachign English, the programme was set up by the government as a kind of grassroots way to encourage internationalisation and have foreigners participate in communities where otherwise there would be no foreigners)

[Vex]

Vex and JFC,

OK, as is obvious, reading comprehension and I parted on bad terms early last night. :embarrassed:

It's all good. I can see how it might have read like I was saying the Yakuza isn't as bad as other organised crime syndicates. Definitely wasn't my intention, but I phrased the post poorly.