Broken teeth and the power of submission

[Koala]

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2013/04/women-wearing-pants.html

Emily Wierenga wrote those words. She is getting beat up in the comments section about teaching that wives are commanded to submit to their husbands. She tells of a friend of hers in Lebanon whose husband broke out some of her teeth when she became a Christian. She stayed with him and he became a Christian.

Oh, this angers many women. "How can you support abuse?" Her husband will be in heaven praising Jesus for eternity because she fought silently for her husband's salvation. Women are willing to fight for many things but for some reason to fight for your marriage and your husband is not worth it? {Of course, she doesn't condone physical violence against women and neither do I but uses this example as the power of submission.}

Maybe if men would stand up to their wives and say "No" and stop being afraid of their wives, they would have more authority in the home.

In the quest to be equal with men, women have systematically destroyed masculinity and in the process destroyed femininity. God has made it very clear that men are to be the leaders in the home and wives are to obey them in everything.

Learning to not argue with your husband is the first step to taking off those pants once and for all and allowing your husband to wear them!

Does she know any other song????? :angry-steamingears:

[Koala]

Oh btw, Lori can say she doesn't support women staying in abusive situations all she wants. The fact is, she glamorizes it and makes it seem like the only real option. Because she stayed her husband didn't have to go burn in hell (you know, the one created by a loving god), and they are sooooo happy! God's ways are best! It's just the world that makes them look "ugly". :angry-banghead:

[GeoBQn]

She keeps saying that she doesn't condone abuse, but then points to a woman staying with her abusive husband as evidence of the power of submission. The part about the husband now being able to be in Heaven with Jesus reminds me of a Chick Tract called Lisa that was so horrible, they ended up discontinuing it. The tract was about a man who becomes addicted to porn and, as a result, he and his neighbor friend start sexually abusing the man's daughter. Eventually, it turns out the little girl has herpes. The doctor calls the man in, preaches the gospel, and the man is saved. Who cares if a woman ends up sick, injured, or dead, as long as the abuser finds Jesus?!?

[VooDooChild]

There needs to be a Lori warning in the subject title of this thread. :angry-banghead: why did I click? :angry-banghead: why did I click? :angry-banghead: why did I click?

[lilwriter85]

Lori is a fucking idiot about abuse topics. I've said this several times before, but I bet a tragedy linked to her shitty advice will happen someday. Maybe it is already happening. Sadly, a part of me thinks a tragedy involving one of her kids and their spouses or future spouses will happen. I got the chills when Lori wrote about her married daughter getting rid of clothes that her husband didn't like. Her son might be abusing his wife in some way. There is something dark about Lori and her family. Ken gives off a super creep vibe in pictures and the youngest daughter has a creep vibe. It has been suspected by several FJers that Ken emotionally/verbally abuses Lori and I have to agree with that. Many of her postings hint at that. The fact that she is giving out advice on her blog and "mentoring" women at her church is fucking scary for different reasons. Some people at Lori's church have rejected her and Ken as mentors. I'm glad people somehow realized that Lori and Ken are assholes.

[laura oz]

There needs to be a Lori warning in the subject title of this thread. :angry-banghead: why did I click? :angry-banghead: why did I click? :angry-banghead: why did I click?

I feel the same way about Lori. I tell myself to not click and stay away cause she makes me nuts. But I'm like a moth to the flame.

[hywelis]

Where is this magical planet where men have no authority and are afraid of their wives? On the one I live on, patriarchy is alive and well.

I don't mean to dismiss the very real issue of female-to-male domestic violence. It does exist and it is as reprehensible as the reverse. I just see no lack of male authority and of authoritarian and abusive husbands/male partners.

Hywelis

[NotALoserLikeYou]

Ugh I hate her. She is SO LUCKY that she has never had to live with the fear of an abusive husband. The humiliation, the terror. Wondering what will set him off. Knowing you can't ever win. Knowing this secret while others think he is just an amazing person. Having to go through police interviews and restraining orders. And once you leave and are hated, you seriously think that your car JUST MIGHT EXPLODE every time you turn it on.

She has NO IDEA.

[yewchapel]

If God wants a person to be a Christian, He does not need women to stay in abusive relationships for that to happen. Fuck you Lori.

[NotALoserLikeYou]

If God wants a person to be a Christian, He does not need women to stay in abusive relationships for that to happen. Fuck you Lori.

If you are a christian you should believe that women (and men) are "fearfully and wonderfully" made. Cherished children of God. Loved so much that HE would die for you. Why would God want his creation to be beaten by their *Protectors/Providers?* You can show forgiveness and grace and mercy and compassion and kindness WITHOUT allowing yourself to be violently terrorized.

[Cora Persephona]

I'm sorry, how did this "miracle"(the conversion) happen because of the power of submission? If your husband doesn't want you to be a Christian, but you insist on being one, how does that mean that you are submitting to his will? The only power she submitted to was the one of his fists. :angry-banghead:

/crying inside now

[VooDooChild]

I feel the same way about Lori. I tell myself to not click and stay away cause she makes me nuts. But I'm like a moth to the flame.

It's like a train wreck. I don't want to see it. But I can't look away.

Ugh I hate her. She is SO LUCKY that she has never had to live with the fear of an abusive husband. The humiliation, the terror. Wondering what will set him off. Knowing you can't ever win. Knowing this secret while others think he is just an amazing person. Having to go through police interviews and restraining orders. And once you leave and are hated, you seriously think that your car JUST MIGHT EXPLODE every time you turn it on.

She has NO IDEA.

:( Sounds like you have experience in that. *hugs*

The bolded can apply to emotional abuse also. I suspect Lori has been/is emotionally abused by her Dickheadship. If that is not the case then, OMG what a bitch!

[rward]

Ugh I hate her. She is SO LUCKY that she has never had to live with the fear of an abusive husband. The humiliation, the terror. Wondering what will set him off. Knowing you can't ever win. Knowing this secret while others think he is just an amazing person. Having to go through police interviews and restraining orders. And once you leave and are hated, you seriously think that your car JUST MIGHT EXPLODE every time you turn it on.

She has NO IDEA.

All the hugs. Everyone thought my dad was the bestest guy ever. They had no idea what living with him was really like. For the longest time, I thought the abuse was my fault. After all, he was nice to everyone else.

Fuck Lori.

[Trynn]

Learning to not argue with your husband is the first step to taking off those pants once and for all and allowing your husband to wear them!

I don't have a husband, or even a boyfriend, but most of my guyfriends (maybe there's ONE exception) would not be able to wear the same pants as me, not just because of different styles, but because I'm really short (4'11") and really thin. Most guys I know are tall and... well, not as thin as I am (which on them wouldn't be healthy anyway.)

So guys, I guess I better keep that in mind when looking for a husband: can he wear my pants?

How about the rest of you ladies? Could your husband/boyfriend/so wear your pants? I don't think exchanging them is that simple...

Oh wait, Lori wouldn't know that, would she? Has she EVER worn pants?

[gibbsgirls]

Lori is such a bitch. I commented on this posted asking if it was okay if woman were abused or hurt for the sake of Christ. She deleted it. I then commented, asking why she deletes posts that don't agree with her propaganda (yes, i did use that word). She deleted that too. Just hoping that at least one person saw them before she removed them. I keep telling myself that a wall will eventually crumble if there is just only tiny crack.

[lilwriter85]

I don't like to wish bad things on people, but Lori has become the one fundie that I hope gets some kind of comeuppance someday. I find it easier to sympathize with Zsu than Lori.

[wtylcf]

This sounds like classic bullying. Lori submits to her husband in everything, then takes to the internet to bully religious women into feeling inferior unless they submit as well as her. Perpetuating the cycle of abuse, even to the point of a threat to the woman's life and/or physical well-being. I'm sure Lori sleeps well at night...after all, that (hypothetically murdered) woman is in heaven now, and since her abusive husband sent her there, it must have been God's will for her to die, since God would never allow it to happen otherwise.

(How's my Lori logic? Warped enough to pass muster?)

[lilith]

There needs to be a Lori warning in the subject title of this thread. :angry-banghead: why did I click? :angry-banghead: why did I click? :angry-banghead: why did I click?

Who else but Lori would this thread title refer to though? Of all the submissive fundie wives she's the most hung up on stressing absolute submission even (or especially) in cases of abuse. The others either gloss over abuse or mention it only rarely - Lori seems to take a masochistic delight in urging women to allow their husbands to treat them like shit and brings it up at every available opportunity.

[GeoBQn]

I can imagine her adding a disclaimer to this post saying, "I specifically said I DON'T condone abuse. Duh! You are clearly too stupid to realize what I meant."

[VooDooChild]

Who else but Lori would this thread title refer to though? Of all the submissive fundie wives she's the most hung up on stressing absolute submission even (or especially) in cases of abuse. The others either gloss over abuse or mention it only rarely - Lori seems to take a masochistic delight in urging women to allow their husbands to treat them like shit and brings it up at every available opportunity.

I suppose. But because I don't have a fucked up mind, I kinda hoped/thought/assumed broken teeth were because an accident. Like: "Submit to your husband because he is god. BTW, my son fell out of a tree and broke his teeth. But my essential oils saved the day!"

I hate this woman. I almost feel traumatized after reading her diatribe.

[Hisey]

All the hugs. Everyone thought my dad was the bestest guy ever. They had no idea what living with him was really like. For the longest time, I thought the abuse was my fault. After all, he was nice to everyone else.

Fuck Lori.

Same thing was true with my father. Except he was only nice to a few people. Everyone ignored his abuse or pretended it was appropriate in some weird way. Reading Lori's posts re-traumatizes me every time (yet I can't stay away).

[RosyDaisy]

Lori seems to take a masochistic delight in urging women to allow their husbands to treat them like shit and brings it up at every available opportunity.

:agree: Lori is one sick, twisted woman. Fuck you, Lori!

[Bloo]

I have to wonder how many other injuries this woman sustained on this dick's "journey to Christ." Or after he already declared his belief, 'cause, y'know, I'm tired of wishing shitdouches like this would change. FAR more often than not, the "change" is only temporary.

On her point about letting my man wear my pants....I do have to say, I think that my man would look FABULOUS in my shapely lady style pants. Mmmmm....I may have to think about that one a bit.

[Deloris]

All I have to say is that I am very disappointed in Emily Wierenga (the author of the original article). I have read her blog on occasion and enjoyed it, and had no idea that she buys into these terribly dangerous beliefs.

[GeoBQn]

From the comments:

Courtney

What does the leader of the home do? I'm sorry if that is a dumb question, but I guess I don't really understand. It means providing financially? But what else?

Lori Alexander

Yes, providing for the family is important but it is just like a boss at work...makes the decisions, runs the company {family}. Most husbands want their wives imput but when there is an impasse, he gets to decide. He also should have the last word.