Parents Who Take Small Children To Abortion Clinics

[Want More Babies]

I know we have discussed Lisa Metzger before. I really can't stand this self righteous twat. The fact that she takes her young children is despicable to me. I'm not breaking the link because she has posted about us before and would love to cry "persecution". http://www.a2ndgenerationofhomeschoolin ... ebron.html

[emmiedahl]

I can't imagine letting a small child see those photos.

Please tell me they are hoaxes? I want to vomit looking at them.

[Austin]

She posts, "Above and below you can see a camera watching us on the sound system. Mothers with their young children are apparently a cause for concern. :)"

When those mothers are kooks like you looking to accost women who are exercising their constitutional rights, it is a cause for concern, you dumb twit.

[lilwriter85]

I'm not really familiar with this blog but I agree she is twat to do stuff like that. I know several pro-lifers that wouldn't take their small children to an abortion clinic or show them pics. Some pro-lifers have limits on what they do and how they teach their children.

I had to chuckle at this quote about the clinic having a camera

Above and below you can see a camera watching us on the sound system. Mothers with their young children are apparently a cause for concern.

As Austin stated (I say your post while looking mine) there is a lot concern about the protection of women who are exercising their constitutional rights. Those cameras are probably there to also protect the people working inside the clinic in case some kook tries something.

[emmiedahl]

Why does she have her kids speaking in microphones anyway? What information is a 3 yo going to offer about dealing with an unplanned pregnancy?

[contrary]

well, one of the littlest just sang 'jesus loves me', so i imagine they don't have much to say.

horrid.

[lilwriter85]

She was probably using the microphones and the sound system in hopes that her kids would somehow "haunt" the people inside the clinic by talking about how precious babies are. Lisa probably doesn't realize those attempts are mostly not going to affect anyone in that clinic or the women undergoing aboritions. Yes some women do regret having abortions but more than often their regrets come from within and not from someone else. Also having the children speak out an abortion clinic probably won't do anything to change the minds or attitudes of women who with unplanned pregnancies/

[Kaylee]

Why doesn't she post pictures of some of the other "pro-life" protesters in Charlotte. It's usually more men and they will try to grab women on their way from their cars into the building. I guess it's easier for her to cry persecution and look all harmless by posting pics with just her and the children.

I am personally against abortion in most cases, and would not have one myself, but people that stand out there and expose their own children and the children of people driving by to graphic photos like that make me sick. It can also be triggering as hell for women who had natural miscarriages, which is why the bother me so much.

My first encounter with abortion protesters actually did change my mind - it made me much more sympathetic to pro-choice activism. I drove a friend down to Charlotte for an abortion and walked into the clinic with her so she didn't have to walk through them by herself. I was 7 months pregnant at the time, so some of the idiots assumed I was the one going in for it and I had a couple people in my face and one guy who tried to grab me. The photos seriously bothered me though, not because of some sort of abortion guilt or anything, but because it reminded me of what the last 2 babies I'd miscarried looked like, and I was already terrified something was going to happen to my son.

[Want More Babies]

Raine,

I am sorry for your loss.

[lilwriter85]

Why doesn't she post pictures of some of the other "pro-life" protesters in Charlotte. It's usually more men and they will try to grab women on their way from their cars into the building. I guess it's easier for her to cry persecution and look all harmless by posting pics with just her and the children.

I am personally against abortion in most cases, and would not have one myself, but people that stand out there and expose their own children and the children of people driving by to graphic photos like that make me sick. It can also be triggering as hell for women who had natural miscarriages, which is why the bother me so much.

My first encounter with abortion protesters actually did change my mind - it made me much more sympathetic to pro-choice activism. I drove a friend down to Charlotte for an abortion and walked into the clinic with her so she didn't have to walk through them by herself. I was 7 months pregnant at the time, so some of the idiots assumed I was the one going in for it and I had a couple people in my face and one guy who tried to grab me. The photos seriously bothered me though, not because of some sort of abortion guilt or anything, but because it reminded me of what the last 2 babies I'd miscarried looked like, and I was already terrified something was going to happen to my son.

That is good point Raine. I couldn't imagine someone who had miscarriage having to see those pictures while driving by. I'm sorry about the miscarriages.

[liltwinstar]

My parents used to drag us to Operation Rescue events. I was probably 9 or 10 at the time, maybe 11ish? Anyway, they were boring as hell and/or disgusting - at one point, they played some video that was basically all the gross abortion pictures put to music. Plus, I think it had footage of a abortion (so they said, anyway). The presenters at the event even said to take kids out of the room, but my parents didn't do that.

Anyway, I'm not sure why they felt that we needed to be at those events. I never had to block a door, but we stood on the sidewalk with the sign-holding protesters. I mean, I understand that my parents wanted to instill their values in us, but I don't think that dragging us to operation rescue events was the way to do that.

Also, I was going through puberty at the time (age 9-11) so that made it worse, you know? Becuase there we were, judging women for having sex (basically), which was kind of scary. I remember a lot of talk about how women should have just said no to the sex part and then they wouldn't be in the situation of needing an abortion. There was no nuance - that sometimes you can't say no (rape) or you don't want to say no, or the condom breaks or whatever. The message I got was "sluts get abortions," period. If you were a "good girl" who found yourself pregnant, you were supposed to be suitably repentant (sackcloth and ashes, I guess) and then give the baby up for adoption.

I hate those pictures with the fire of a thousand burning suns.

[Love]

This woman is AWFUL. I hate her blog, it pisses me off so bad. And yet, I haven't deleted it from my blog reader yet... self punishment i guess?

[luckylibrarian]

Raine, I'm so sorry. That sounds awful. I would have been totally freaked out if some crazy guy tried to grab me. What do they think they are going to do? Physically prevent you from going in there? That's nuts.

Even when I considered myself pro-life, I never would have protested an abortion clinic. :snooty: That nuts, and bringing children along is doubly nuts. Maybe they think a woman will see the OMGcutebaybez and change her mind.

[starfish]

I came across a video (FB, maybe? wish I could remember) that a man made with his telephone at an abortion clinic. He had gone in with his wife to end the pregnancy, b/c their very much wanted child had a congenital birth defect. (I think it was mermaid syndrome, no kidneys or bladder, and incompatible with life). They were inconsolable, and went to the clinic and had to walk through those protesters.

The man was angry. He came outside and started speaking with the protesters. It was great! They got mad at him and threatened to call the police. He was all like, you can exercise your right to free speech and I'll exercise mine. When he and his wife left the clinic, the protesters were gone.

[Feberin]

A coworker's 11 year old daughter had a teacher explain about abortion in Sunday school (very anti abortion) and she was livid. I can't imagine talking about it with a 2 year old.

[jockosmom]

She says that they offer food, baby showers, prenatal care and delivery, housing - was there more? I didn't copy that list verbatim. Who offers that? I got the impression this was just their family doing this. Are they part of a bigger organization? Baby shower? - do they think women are having abortions because they can't afford baby gear?

[GeoBQn]

She was probably using the microphones and the sound system in hopes that her kids would somehow "haunt" the people inside the clinic by talking about how precious babies are. Lisa probably doesn't realize those attempts are mostly not going to affect anyone in that clinic or the women undergoing aboritions. Yes some women do regret having abortions but more than often their regrets come from within and not from someone else. Also having the children speak out an abortion clinic probably won't do anything to change the minds or attitudes of women who with unplanned pregnancies/

Not to mention that 61% of women who have abortions already have at least one child. They are perfectly acquainted with babies--both in how precious they are and how much hard work and sacrifice it takes to care for one.

[MonkeyMomma]

Above and below you can see a camera watching us on the sound system. Mothers with their young children are apparently a cause for concern. :) Seeing as though we only offer love and support...food, baby showers, free prenatal care and delivery, housing, etc....I can understand their cause for concern. They risk losing business in light of our offers of long term help and support.

No, dumbass, they're concerned about the very real threat of terrorists who would attempt to blow them up or shoot their doctors. :roll:

I used to be a clinic escort. I can't imagine encountering a family with children this small. It's such a clear attempt at manipulation and coercion toward the patients, and puts the children in a potentially risky situation.

[Creativepowerhouse]

I don't know Lisa Metzger very well -- in fact, I've never met her in person -- but my daughter has benefitted from the women who offer clothes, diapers, baby food, furniture, car seats, etc. The ministry is called Truth and Mercy. The woman in charge of it gives free baby showers to anyone in need, not just "rescues" from abortion clinics. It isn't Lisa's ministry, but she brings them baby things to give away. Although her religion is probably different from yours and her values definitely are, I don't understand why you're calling Lisa a twat. To each his own, I guess.

My daughter is part of a growing secular movement away from abortion and toward treating all humans with dignity. They view the lives of unborn children as innocent and thus worth protecting from harm. It makes sense to me. So much sense that I've aligned myself with this secular view alongside gay, lesbian, and transgender pro-lifers, feminists for life, Democrats for Life, and other worthy organizations. I recognize that abortion is a constitutional right, but so was owning slaves at one point in our history. They were looking for someone to drag to the Supreme Court when Norma McCorvey came along. Once they got the constitutional precedent, they tossed her aside. She wasn't even invited to the victory party. She's now pro-life. She has never had an abortion. Abortion is constitutionally protected, sure, that doesn't make it right. And it's certainly not in the best interest of the child.

I think Lisa is probably much more conservative than I am and certainly more so than my daughter. Still, I agree with her efforts to provide for women in crisis. She has recently driven 40 minutes several times to bring groceries and meals to a woman who changed her mind at the clinic. Yes, women DO change their minds. Many, many women are there because they're suffering financially. They want to keep their children, but they have no means to do so. It seems way snarky of you guys to waste your time fussing about Lisa when she's using her time and money she probably hasn't got to spare to give free baby things to women in need. They are mostly minorities by the way.

I think you all may have listened to a lot of misinformation about what is really happening with this issue. If abortion wasn't horrific, there would be no freakish photos to gross out innocent children WITH. That's the whole point. That no one should dismember their own children for the sake of convenience, money, or fear. I didn't allow my children to view photos of abortion when they were younger, but I wonder why those who support abortion so vigorously mind so much. I mean, they are all FOR killing unborn babies. If it's so OKAY to do that, why not advertise them on tv, show them on medical shows in real time on TLC? Maybe because it's not so okay. Sort of a dirty little secret.

Before Roe, it was already legal to have an abortion for medical reasons such as tubal pregnancy or serious birth defects. No one is asking to change that. But to me, it's logical and pro-woman to offer assistance to KEEP a baby the way Lisa tirelessly does. Her personality may make you cringe. She's sort of Duggary, I suppose, and you guys don't like all that authority and control. I get that. But name-calling is a total waste of time. Go volunteer at a soup kitchen or take a homeless person home with you to take a shower and have a hot meal. I'm not saying this to offend. I just want to let you know what goes on at the clinics is not what you think. Also, although there are two men that show up sometimes that I think hinder the cause, there are waaaaaay more women there. My daughter, the mother of my one year old grandson, felt duped by all the liberal propaganda she heard regarding abortion. She's so glad she didn't abort her son, and she sometimes goes out to the clinic and sets up a table filled with baby items. Women serving women. That's what it's all about.

[Guest Anonymous]

She's not a twat because she's pro life or offers assistance to pregnant women - she's a twat because she exposes her young children to graphic photos. She let her child hold her 16 week miscarriage? Yup, twat.

[desertvixen]

If abortion wasn't horrific, there would be no freakish photos to gross out innocent children WITH. That's the whole point. That no one should dismember their own children for the sake of convenience, money, or fear.

It is a medical procedure. Medical procedures are often not pretty. Also, a lot of the pro-life propaganda photos misrepresent what they are - how old the fetus is, etc. Also, when women have a procedure that "dismembers" their child, they are often having it to end a pregnancy they WANTED, that was incompatible with life.

I mean, they are all FOR killing unborn babies. If it's so OKAY to do that, why not advertise them on tv, show them on medical shows in real time on TLC? Maybe because it's not so okay. Sort of a dirty little secret.

Pro-choice people are for women having choices available, not killing unborn babies. In some cases, abortion may be the answer - but I think most of the pro-choice crowd would rather go the preventative route.

Before Roe, it was already legal to have an abortion for medical reasons such as tubal pregnancy or serious birth defects. No one is asking to change that.

They don't have to dismantle Roe. They can make enough inroads and cuts and roadblocks that it won't matter because women who need the services won't be able to access them.

[lilah]

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My first encounter with abortion protesters actually did change my mind - it made me much more sympathetic to pro-choice activism. I drove a friend down to Charlotte for an abortion and walked into the clinic with her so she didn't have to walk through them by herself. I was 7 months pregnant at the time, so some of the idiots assumed I was the one going in for it and I had a couple people in my face and one guy who tried to grab me. The photos seriously bothered me though, not because of some sort of abortion guilt or anything, but because it reminded me of what the last 2 babies I'd miscarried looked like, and I was already terrified something was going to happen to my son.

That's because a lot of the pictures of aborted fetuses are actually fetuses that died from a miscarriage.

I think you all may have listened to a lot of misinformation about what is really happening with this issue. If abortion wasn't horrific, there would be no freakish photos to gross out innocent children WITH. That's the whole point. That no one should dismember their own children for the sake of convenience, money, or fear. I didn't allow my children to view photos of abortion when they were younger, but I wonder why those who support abortion so vigorously mind so much. I mean, they are all FOR killing unborn babies. If it's so OKAY to do that, why not advertise them on tv, show them on medical shows in real time on TLC? Maybe because it's not so okay. Sort of a dirty little secret.

I mind it when people are lied to about what abortion looks to raise the shock value. And that people who think it's their god given duty to protect their children from the "real world" feed them all kinds lies.

I also get frustrated with the anti-choice movement because it is largely an anti woman's rights movement. If you can't trust a woman with a choice how can you trust her with a child? It is a movement that judges women for their sexuality.

I also hate how few anti choicer realize how important access to comprehensive sex education contraception to lowering the the rate of crisis pregnancy. There's a quite a few studies that show that it is education and contraception that lowers the rate of unwanted pregnancies.That's what works, not shame, not abstinence only education (in fact people who have received abstinence only sex ed are way more likely to engage in unsafe sex practices) and not shock value signage.

[liltwinstar]

I am pro choice because I believe that a woman has a right to decide what to do with her body.

That's not to say that I *like* abortion. I don't. I'm sure there are women out there who have had abortions for purely "selfish" reasons, just as I'm sure there are women out there who have had babies for "selfish" reasons. People make choices all the time I don't *like* but that doesn't mean I'm against their right to make those choices.

I am for comprehensive sex education starting at an early age and including age-appropriate information as children grow. I believe in prevention and birth control, not judgement of sexuality. I believe in making society better for women and children and families by funding day-care, medical coverage, educational opportunities, and support such as food stamps. Things that make a difference to existing people.

Also, re: the pictures. I have a problem with them for the reasons that others have said - we don't know where they came from, or what the pictures actually are (miscarriage, abortion, etc). And yes, most surgical procedures are gross. Hell, from what I'm told, birth is pretty gross, too. We don't post pictures of women with crowning babies on billboards, so why do we allow dismembered heads?

[emmiedahl]

Creative Powerhouse, in my experience the crisis pregnancy centers *say* they will help, but at most you get a recalled car seat and a few pairs of 80's style maternity jeans. They might let you sleep on someone's couch for a month or two if they can find someone who wants your evil influence around their innocent children.

There is no excuse to expose your children to pictures of dead babies. No excuse. I don't care what your freaking reasons are; it is traumatic and doing it willfully is child abuse imo.

Where do they live? I bet it was a hot day when she dragged her kids out for an all day protest. People are quick to judge beggars and panhandlers who bring their kids along. This is worse.

I would never have an abortion btw.

[lilah]

Just to add something to the discussion, I am pro choice. I always thought that if I had an unplanned unwanted pregnancy I'd get an abortion. And then I had a pregnancy scare (false alarm, whew) and realizes it wasn't so simple. And the lesson I learned that day was that it's impossible to know how you'd deal with a crisis pregnancy unless you've actually been in one.

Abortion clinics have received quite a few pro-life activists in their time. ( more stories here: http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html). Quite a few people can be anti abortion until they realize they need one too.