Vision Forum: The sufficiency & application of Scripture

[Deleted12]

24. Scripture is the believer’s sufficient guide for all of faith and practice, and Christians must believe and obey whatever it teaches and commands. The Bible provides the Christian — through precept, pattern and principle — all that is necessary to make wise decisions concerning the many ethically complex issues of life. (2 Tim. 3:16-17; 2 Pet. 1:3)

25. Fathers need to exercise discernment in the choices they make for their families and not simply drift with the cultural tide. Egalitarian feminism is an enemy of God and of biblical truth, but the need for care goes beyond this threat. The values of modern society are often at odds with those that accompany a biblical worldview. For example, fathers need self-consciously to resist the values of individualism at the expense of community, efficiency at the expense of relationships, and material well-being at the expense of spiritual progress. The world and the worldly church will cheer many choices that are detrimental to family sanctification. (Rom. 12:2; 1 Jn. 2:15)

26. While God’s truth is unchanging, the specific application of that truth may vary depending on facts and circumstances unique to each believer. Also, those who are further along in sanctification will see some issues more clearly than those who are less mature. For these reasons great charity must be maintained between believers who have differences of application, and liberty of application must be respected. However, an appeal to the doctrine of Christian liberty must never be used in an effort simply to avoid submitting to what Scripture plainly teaches. Believers should also bear in mind that things which are lawful may not be expedient if the goal is personal and family holiness. The biblical rule in judging behavior is charity toward others, strictness toward oneself. (Gal. 5:2-3 with Acts 16:3; Phil. 3:15; Rom. 12:10; 1 Cor. 1:10; 6:12; 9:27; 10:23; Gal. 5:13)

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[Soulhuntress]

24. Scripture is the believer’s sufficient guide for all of faith and practice, and Christians must believe and obey whatever it teaches and commands. The Bible provides the Christian — through precept, pattern and principle — all that is necessary to make wise decisions concerning the many ethically complex issues of life. (2 Tim. 3:16-17; 2 Pet. 1:3)

25. Fathers need to exercise discernment in the choices they make for their families and not simply drift with the cultural tide. Egalitarian feminism is an enemy of God and of biblical truth, but the need for care goes beyond this threat. The values of modern society are often at odds with those that accompany a biblical worldview. For example, fathers need self-consciously to resist the values of individualism at the expense of community, efficiency at the expense of relationships, and material well-being at the expense of spiritual progress. The world and the worldly church will cheer many choices that are detrimental to family sanctification. (Rom. 12:2; 1 Jn. 2:15)

26. While God’s truth is unchanging, the specific application of that truth may vary depending on facts and circumstances unique to each believer. Also, those who are further along in sanctification will see some issues more clearly than those who are less mature. For these reasons great charity must be maintained between believers who have differences of application, and liberty of application must be respected. However, an appeal to the doctrine of Christian liberty must never be used in an effort simply to avoid submitting to what Scripture plainly teaches. Believers should also bear in mind that things which are lawful may not be expedient if the goal is personal and family holiness. The biblical rule in judging behavior is charity toward others, strictness toward oneself. (Gal. 5:2-3 with Acts 16:3; Phil. 3:15; Rom. 12:10; 1 Cor. 1:10; 6:12; 9:27; 10:23; Gal. 5:13)

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#25 is unscriptural. So is #26. :naughty: The Bereans were specifically commended for searching the scriptures themselves (Acts 17:11). Note there was nothing about the fathers doing this study. :roll:

[CynicMom]

#24 and #26 seem mutually contradictory. First they state that the truth of scripture is universal and "all that is necessary to make wise decisions". Then they state that this truth might be different for different people and different situations. Did they even read this before they posted it?

Also in #26 they state that believers should have charity towards others that have different interpretations, but that some things should be prohibited outright. There's no guide to distinguish which things are appropriate for leniency and which are not.

Here is a brief list of assertions they make but do not support:

-fathers should be wary of the cultural tide

-egalitarian feminism is an enemy of biblical truth

-individualism is wrong

-relationships are more important than efficiency

-material well-being can be detrimental to spiritual progress

-it's the job of fathers to be wary of things that are wrong

-popular opinion is contrary to family sanctification

-older people have more biblical wisdom than younger people

-following the law may be contrary to holiness (wtf?)

[notsocommon]

-older people have more biblical wisdom than younger people

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1 Timothy 4:12 Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity. 13 Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching. 14 Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through a prophetic message when the body of elders laid their hands on you.

[MamaJunebug]

24. Scripture is the believer’s sufficient guide for all of faith and practice, and Christians must believe and obey whatever it teaches and commands. The Bible provides the Christian — through precept, pattern and principle — all that is necessary to make wise decisions concerning the many ethically complex issues of life. (2 Tim. 3:16-17; 2 Pet. 1:3)

Oh yes, the ...

Basic

Instructions

Before

Leaving

Earth

... heresy.

No, Mr. Phillips: The Bible (Scripture) is the record of man's inability to keep the instructions (Law) and the mercy of God Almighty in promising to, and in fact sending Jesus Christ to do that for us (Gospel).

To reduce it to a book of commands is willfully to ignore the Gospel, the Good News.

Come to think of it, it's also to ignore our inability to keep the Law; leaving individuals to begin to believe that they can lead a perfect life.

25. Fathers need to exercise discernment in the choices they make for their families and not simply drift with the cultural tide. Egalitarian feminism is an enemy of God and of biblical truth, but the need for care goes beyond this threat. The values of modern society are often at odds with those that accompany a biblical worldview. For example, fathers need self-consciously to resist the values of individualism at the expense of community, efficiency at the expense of relationships, and material well-being at the expense of spiritual progress. The world and the worldly church will cheer many choices that are detrimental to family sanctification. (Rom. 12:2; 1 Jn. 2:15)

Mr. Phillips, please define these buzzwords:

egalitarian feminism

biblical worldview

values of modern society

Also please explain how your camera-crew'ed manly romps and your all-too-plentiful close-up lectures are not indvidualism;

While you're at it, what's 'spiritual progress'?

And what is 'family sanctification'?

And how do those two concepts compare and contrast to the heretical LDS doctrines of eternal progression and 'forever' families?

26. While God’s truth is unchanging, the specific application of that truth may vary depending on facts and circumstances unique to each believer. Also, those who are further along in sanctification will see some issues more clearly than those who are less mature. For these reasons great charity must be maintained between believers who have differences of application, and liberty of application must be respected. However, an appeal to the doctrine of Christian liberty must never be used in an effort simply to avoid submitting to what Scripture plainly teaches. Believers should also bear in mind that things which are lawful may not be expedient if the goal is personal and family holiness. The biblical rule in judging behavior is charity toward others, strictness toward oneself. (Gal. 5:2-3 with Acts 16:3; Phil. 3:15; Rom. 12:10; 1 Cor. 1:10; 6:12; 9:27; 10:23; Gal. 5:13)

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How does the bolded statement compare/contrast to Scientology huckster Hubbard's statement that "what's true for you is true" and also, to the dubious notion of 'situational ethics'?

Finally, why all the emphasis on rules and instruction, and the absolute absence of Grace, Mercy and Atonement?

Patiently awaiting your reply,

MJB (Mrs. TSU)