Hamid Karzai: beat women in accordance to sharia law

[16strong]

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So the president of Afghanistan opened his fat trap and said the following:

"The clerics’ council of Afghanistan did not put any limitations on women.

It is the Shariah law of all Muslims and all Afghans."

This quote was in response to the Ulema Council's (who is responsible for making sure sharia law lines up with secular law) Declaration on Women:

"It needs to be said that teasing, harassment and beating of women without a Shariah-compliant reason, as set forth clearly in the Glorious Qur’an, is prohibited."

Also from the article, and lest we forget, are some of the more inane rules sharia law implements:

Refusing an arranged marriage.

Infidelity.

Females over the age of 8 receiving an education.

Appearing in the streets without a male blood relative.

Failure to wear a burqa.

Wear high-heeled shoes as no man should hear a woman’s footsteps lest it excite him.

Speak loudly in public as no stranger should hear a woman's voice.

All ground and first floor residential windows should be painted over or screened to prevent women being visible from the street.

The photographing or filming of women and displaying pictures of females in newspapers, books, shops or the home.

Forbidden to appear on the balconies of their apartments or houses.

Banned from radio and television broadcasts or at public gatherings of any kind.

Riding in a taxi without a male escort.

Segregated bus services to prevent males and females traveling together.

Banned from riding bicycles or motorcycles, even with male escorts.

So beating women is effectively okay as long as one of the inane rules above is broken?

:angry-banghead: :angry-banghead: :angry-banghead: :angry-banghead:

Arrrrggghhh!!!

The article: http://www.examiner.com/article/afghan- ... ll-afghans

[acheronbeach]

To clarify the above post - the article quote violations of Sharia as interpreted by the Taliban.

Most Muslims don't follow the Fundamentalist interpretation of Sharia followed by the Taliban, and a lot of those "rules" would be totally weird and out-there for any Muslims I know...

[cindyluvs24]

Because hearing women's shoes hitting the floor will give any man a boner... OK, yeah. I think they've been in the sun too long. Maybe the Duggars should visit there and teach them to stick their fingers in their ears and yell Nike.

[Three and Done]

To clarify the above post - the article quote violations of Sharia as interpreted by the Taliban.

Most Muslims don't follow the Fundamentalist interpretation of Sharia followed by the Taliban, and a lot of those "rules" would be totally weird and out-there for any Muslims I know...

When the President of the Afghanistan is vocalizing his approval of the Taliban's interpretation of Sharia law, the resurgence of the Taliban cannot be far behind.

Women's rights in Afghanistan may have improved somewhat in urban areas, but with the withdrawal of Western forces, the likely result is glaringly obvious.

[RachelB]

To clarify the above post - the article quote violations of Sharia as interpreted by the Taliban.

Most Muslims don't follow the Fundamentalist interpretation of Sharia followed by the Taliban, and a lot of those "rules" would be totally weird and out-there for any Muslims I know...

acheronbeach, do you know if Karzai has talked at all about how his own interpretations differ from the Taliban's? If he wants to differentiate his position from theirs, I hope he would make that clear.

(I am Not Cool with any reason for legalizing spousal abuse-- or abuse of J. Random Women who have the temerity to be out in public living. Just want to point out that Karzai isn't doing a good job of making a case for any women would prefer him as a head of state over his ostensibly more extremist and violent fellow arbiters of female behavior.)

[holierthanyou]

When the President of the Afghanistan is vocalizing his approval of the Taliban's interpretation of Sharia law, the resurgence of the Taliban cannot be far behind.

Women's rights in Afghanistan may have improved somewhat in urban areas, but with the withdrawal of Western forces, the likely result is glaringly obvious.

Well the national election is literally 4 days away, so Karzai knows he has exactly 4 days left (he is not eligible to run for election again).

[2xx1xy1JD]

How much of our money and soldier's blood was spent to get this guy in power? Sounds like his problem with the Taliban was simply tribal. If we were hoping for more enlightened views, we were duped.

[Toothfairy]

Why do they make themselves look bad

[Marianne]

[acheronbeach]

acheronbeach, do you know if Karzai has talked at all about how his own interpretations differ from the Taliban's? If he wants to differentiate his position from theirs, I hope he would make that clear.

(I am Not Cool with any reason for legalizing spousal abuse-- or abuse of J. Random Women who have the temerity to be out in public living. Just want to point out that Karzai isn't doing a good job of making a case for any women would prefer him as a head of state over his ostensibly more extremist and violent fellow arbiters of female behavior.)

I'm not talking about Karzai. The way that the post was quoted cut out any reference specifically to Karzai, Afghanistan, or the Taliban so it appeared that those "rules" were universally Muslim. I thought it appeared biased, since the article made it clear that they were talking about a specifically conservative interpretation of Islam.

[RachelB]

I'm not talking about Karzai. The way that the post was quoted cut out any reference specifically to Karzai, Afghanistan, or the Taliban so it appeared that those "rules" were universally Muslim. I thought it appeared biased, since the article made it clear that they were talking about a specifically conservative interpretation of Islam.

Yeah, I caught that part. I do not love or expect good reporting the Examiner, because their preference for short articles gets in the way of nuance, and because I don't think they're clear enough on distinguishing editorial writing from reporting. I worked in a newsroom for three years, and I've seen the Examiner print a number of stories that would not have met our editor's standards for journalistic ethics.

I was just wondering if they were misrepresenting Karzai as well as mainstream Muslims.

[Minerva]

This is from two years ago. And yet there are people who STILL believe that we invaded Afghanistan to liberate the women, and who STILL believe that we were successful at it. *shakes head*

(Also, OP's article contains a picture of a woman with severe acid burns on her face and upper body, in case anyone is bothered by that.)