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salex

Thank God Mr. Keller didn't pick my husband

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salex

I have been anti courtship since I first heard of it, since I believe if a couple is mature enough to marry, they are mature enough to manage dating without constant supervision and what seems like horsetrading between the two fathers.

It strikes me that Mr. Keller should be the poster-dad for the anti-courtship cause.

1) Married Esther off to John Scrhader, who promptly took her on a joyride from his being a minister (or assistant minister or whatever) to a wannabe missionary and occasionally employed mostly homeless guy who had his many young children and often pregnant wife living full time in a pop-up trailer. And after years of begging and grifting his way from church to church, buying an airplane that somehow doesn't now exist and many other very public errors in judgement in his international move, seems to be washing out of being a missionary before his first full year abroad. Good Job Dad.

2) Married a reluctant Priscilla to an even more reluctant David. David had made it pretty clear to many people he wanted to do a few more things in his life before getting married. Priscilla was "crying out to God" about not feeling love for David before their marriage. But they look good together and marriage is more about roles than feelings or compatibility, plus, David was / is a catch in their circles, though post Gothard scandal, his star may be dimmer than before.

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3 Married Anna to Josh apparently after hearing he was a creeper who had felt up his sisters on multiple occasions. Apparently he was able to judge the risk of recidivism vs the reward of marrying into the Duggar name and went for it.

My non courtship self would have rejected out of hand anyone who had Josh's past, and I was not one to settle for someone who was not interested in marriage or me. (Old saw about never climb a barbwire fence that is leaning toward you or kiss someone who is leaning away from you) And I would never put up with living with umpty nine kids in a pop up trailer... .

Mr Keller seems at best a social climber with Josh and David, and at worst clueless.

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Mela99

He is the one who does all those prison ministries though . . . It doesn't shock me he would overlook Josh's past.

He found Jesus, so the rest doesn't matter. . . :evil:

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lexiloumarie

It makes Suze's running make even more sense though. She didn't want to get married off like her sisters and be trapped. Good for her for getting out while she could.

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nokidsmom

With regards to Esther, I have stated before that as Pa Keller is responsible for marrying her to such a loser, he should feel a lot of guilt over the situation that his daughter and grandchildren are in.

As far as Pris and PT, David did not want to get married in the first place, he clearly was pushed into it by his parents. Had they not done this, he wouldn't have approached Pa Keller about marriage at all. But since he did, Pa Keller was not going to say no to a suitor who was considered a good catch for his daughter. Here I blame David's parents more than Pa Keller for their "fake happy" state of affairs as it was they who got this ball rolling in the first place.

Marrying Anna to Josh, it was about the Duggar name. even without this current scandal.

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ILoveJellybeans

He has terrible taste in men. Rebekah really lucked out, her husband seems like a decent guy who got her out of fundamentalism.

John is a grifting douche, David comes across as very gay and not attracted to Priscilla, and Josh molested his sisters. Good on Suze for getting the fuck out of there.

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Trynn

And we all thought that Anna got the long straw for marrying Josh, because at least he was (because of the show) able to provide for her and obviously loved her. Remember how we all agreed Anna got the best deal of all of them besides the married girl who left?

I think now that we all had it backwards. Where's the crying smiley? I need it.

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Georgiana

I like Pa Keller himself. I get the feeling that he is a good man. However, he sure does suck at picking husbands.

Gil Bates on the other hand seems like a shifty grifter up to no good. But he sure does take care of his daughters in the husband department.

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Finduilas

This is a (sadly) excellent title ...

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sense and nonsense

He probably couldn't support all of them, and was in a hurry to get them married off.

The consequences of having more kids than you can provide for are not always directly seen.

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And we all thought that Anna got the long straw for marrying Josh, because at least he was (because of the show) able to provide for her and obviously loved her. Remember how we all agreed Anna got the best deal of all of them besides the married girl who left?

I think now that we all had it backwards. Where's the crying smiley? I need it.

Well, not "we all" - as I never bought into or commented on that train of thought. I have always had problems with all of it. It's current day slave sales.

I completely agree with Salex's opening post in this thread.

Mr. Keller all by his lonesome (while intending the opposite) debunks the courtship myth.

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apandaaries

Well, not "we all" - as I never bought into or commented on that train of thought. I have always had problems with all of it. It's current day slave sales.

I completely agree with Salex's opening post in this thread.

Mr. Keller all by his lonesome (while intending the opposite) debunks the courtship myth.

I've always been intensely skeeved out by Pa Keller. I wouldn't leave any kid alone in a room with him. He might not be bad and I might just have a negative reaction to him, but that's how I feel.

I'll also say this: the kinds of people others like and approve of for their kids reveals a lot about their character. Pa Keller might not hear anything except "I love Jesus," and then think the guy is ready to get one of his daughters.

I think Anna loves Josh, but I've always felt he looks at her with disdain or boredom (wtffundies on tumblr has some good screenshots). David and Pris ALWAYS look awkward. Haven't seen Esther and John interact, but that guy is clearly a tool, too. I think Pa chose fellas that reminded him of himself.

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SPHASH

Even Daniel who married a non-fundie girl lucked out. Too bad he got shunned for it.

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anjulibai

Yeah, Pa Keller is a moron when it comes to husbands for his daughters. Only 1 out of 4 has a decent marriage. Thank god Suze left, who knows what vile individual Pa Keller would have chosen.

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Hane

He's skeeved me out since the first time I saw him on TV, in the Smuggaranna wedding rehearsal episode. He was all SEG as he described the concept of Transfer of Authority (I threw up in my mouth a little), which one of us here elegantly rebranded as "the Hymen Sale").

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Dandruff

I remember when Josh had asked for permission to court Anna, Mr. Keller had wanted to think and pray about it for awhile. He later said to Josh something like "All the lights are green so far". Did he know then? Could he have known only part of it?

Maybe being part of ATI is - or was - such a blanket of approval in their world that it was easy to look past things said to be atoned for.

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IrishCarrie

I have a dim recollection of him talking to Josh before the wedding and the only subject he wanted to discuss was Josh allowing Anna to monitor his internet use. That was all Pa Keller care about! Porn obsession much???

:cracking-up:

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Black Aliss
He has terrible taste in men.. . .David comes across as very gay and not attracted to Priscilla. . .

Oh, good, I'm not the only one who thinks that it is only a matter of time before David is unceremoniously outed persecuted.

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tropaka
I have a dim recollection of him talking to Josh before the wedding and the only subject he wanted to discuss was Josh allowing Anna to monitor his internet use. That was all Pa Keller care about! Porn obsession much???

:cracking-up:

well, if the person who tipped off sites like FJ in 2007 was right (and they were right about the number of girls molested by Josh), then Josh had also had a porn addiction, so if Keller knew this his comments, unfortunately, made sense.

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memabelle

Pa Keller is batting 1.000 in the find-my-daughter-a-shitty-husband department, that's for sure...

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JenniferJuniper

well, if the person who tipped off sites like FJ in 2007 was right (and they were right about the number of girls molested by Josh), then Josh had also had a porn addiction, so if Keller knew this his comments, unfortunately, made sense.

I thought that was a conversation with David Waller, the nut thief. But maybe he had a similar one with Josh.

Pa Keller has always given me the creeps.

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mollysmom
He has terrible taste in men. Rebekah really lucked out, her husband seems like a decent guy who got her out of fundamentalism.

John is a grifting douche, David comes across as very gay and not attracted to Priscilla, and Josh molested his sisters. Good on Suze for getting the fuck out of there.

Yeah, no kidding!

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roddma

Wasnt Rebekah's husband the one who wrote that long letter to DWOP? It mentioned how people thought Pa Keller looked like a creepy child molester but in reality he has health issues.

I could agree it seems both the Kellers and Bateses are trying to climb the social ladder. Though, I think the Bateses made better matches at least for now.

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knit1purl1
He is the one who does all those prison ministries though . . . It doesn't shock me he would overlook Josh's past.

He found Jesus, so the rest doesn't matter. . . :evil:

Could JB have deliberately sought out the Keller girls, knowing that Pa ran a prison ministry and was likely to believe that Josh had overcome his struggles? :pink-shock:

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Brightonbelle

I suspect JB married Josh off early since the lack of outlet for his urges may have - in part - led to the abuse. And I suspect that Pa Keller cares more about the brand than his daughter's happiness.

I don't know why it's a surprise to be honest - we see it all the time with the older sister's parenting, blanket training, beating children etc. The individual children don't matter so long as you're 'godly'. This, in my opinion, is an extension of that.

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FloraKitty35

Oh, good, I'm not the only one who thinks that it is only a matter of time before David is unceremoniously outed persecuted.

No you aren't, but if that ever happens I hope that he would get professional counselling, realize that there are "worldly" people who would have be supportive of him in a positive fashion, and that he could get some very good lawyers so that he could fight for custody of Paul & Davia.

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