Sotomayor block ACA contraception mandate

[bettertomarry]

Anyone hear anything about this? I'm trying to have faith in Sotomayor but this seems alarming.

www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2014/0101 ... date-video

[Stephanie66]

It's just for one small group of nuns. But yes, it will probably signal bigger things.

[bettertomarry]

I thought the same thing. Today its just for a group of nuns but tomorrow will it be for Hobby Lobby?

[EmiGirl]

I thought the same thing. Today its just for a group of nuns but tomorrow will it be for Hobby Lobby?

This is true. As much as I love shopping at Hobby Lobby, I'm kind of looking forward to all the amazing yarn deals I'm going to get if they go out of business.

[Stephanie66]

The irony of Hobby Lobby is they want to refuse their employees contraception that *might* interfere with implantation of a fertilized egg, but they sell lots of stuff from China, a country which has no issue with female infanticide and forced abortion.

[Anise]

The irony of Hobby Lobby is they want to refuse their employees contraception that *might* interfere with implantation of a fertilized egg, but they sell lots of stuff from China, a country which has no issue with female infanticide and forced abortion.

I thought you were going to mention lead content in products or something that can affect fertility.

Chinese policy is that if people have more than one child and they do not fall under one of the many exceptions, the punishment is a fine and losing their job if they are government officials. Geez. . . :evil-eye:

[EmiGirl]

The irony of Hobby Lobby is they want to refuse their employees contraception that *might* interfere with implantation of a fertilized egg, but they sell lots of stuff from China, a country which has no issue with female infanticide and forced abortion.

The problem with the belief that it prevents implantation is all theoretical. I read and article about a year ago that says the breastfeeding theoretically could do the same thing. I have not idea where it is though.

[PennySycamore]

It's important to remember that it is only a temporary ruling. I hope that it will be overturned.

[Miggy]

Coming from a place with socialised medicine I just don't get the American system at all. Surely, if a religious group only employs people of their own religion it doesn't matter what the government says they have to offer in their health care plan as none would go against the religious teaching anyway. So, an organisation employing Nuns can offer birth control because even though it runs against their beliefs, they know none of the Nuns will use it. (Does that make sense or did I just write a tongue twister?) I will admit though, I still can't understand why bosses think they should have any say at all in the health care choices of their employees.

[slickcat79]

The problem with the belief that it prevents implantation is all theoretical. I read and article about a year ago that says the breastfeeding theoretically could do the same thing. I have not idea where it is though.

You don't even need to be breastfeeding. Many, many fertilized eggs naturally fail to implant naturally, depending on the state of your uterus on any given day. If you are super-concerned about unintentionally "aborting" fertilized eggs, you are still a lot better off to be on hormonal birth control because its primary function is to keep you from ovulating. Your body can't reject a fertilized egg if you don't produce any eggs in the first place. You are a lot more likely to abort the poor zygotes when not on BC because your body will produce more eggs.

Coming from a place with socialised medicine I just don't get the American system at all. Surely, if a religious group only employs people of their own religion it doesn't matter what the government says they have to offer in their health care plan as none would go against the religious teaching anyway. So, an organisation employing Nuns can offer birth control because even though it runs against their beliefs, they know none of the Nuns will use it. (Does that make sense or did I just write a tongue twister?) I will admit though, I still can't understand why bosses think they should have any say at all in the health care choices of their employees.

[Stephanie66]

I thought you were going to mention lead content in products or something that can affect fertility.

Chinese policy is that if people have more than one child and they do not fall under one of the many exceptions, the punishment is a fine and losing their job if they are government officials. Geez. . . :evil-eye:

I don't want to hijack the thread, but the intense desire for a male child leads to abortion of females and female infanticide. Lucky females and handicapped children from poor families end up in orphanages. Forced abortions DO happen, and the government is involved in them.

A good book, written by a pro-choice atheist, is "Unnatural Selection" by Mara Hvistendahl. She starts in China, but also goes into India and Europe. I found it more truthful BECAUSE she had no agenda coming in, and wrote it as a sociologist studying the absence of girls and women.