Stay At Home Daughters Discussed On Another Site

[debrand]

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2010/12/wh ... -movement/

An exert from the article:

The number of these blogs and their followers may be surprising to mainstream women, who would likely find the tenets the bloggers live by disturbingly retrograde, if not just plain disturbing. For instance, stay-at-home daughterhood means, among other things, subsuming one’s own identity into the family unit. The Botkin sisters write in So Much More that loving your parents means agreeing with all their opinions. “When your parents have your heart you will truly ‘delight in their ways,’†write the sisters in one blog post. “You will love what they love, hate what they hate, and desire their approval and company and even ‘think thoughts after them.’â€

The Botkin sisters aim to validate living a life of confinement with staunch, if unfounded, opinions and beliefs regarding college. “College campuses have become dangerous places of anxiety, wasted years, mental defilement and moral derangement,†they write. Although neither of the sisters has attended college, they also claim universities are hotbeds of Marxism that forbid a free exchange of ideas and seek to indoctrinate students in leftist thinking. Elsewhere, they quote a document from the pro-patriarchy website Fathers for Life that states that the “prime purposes of feminism are to establish a lesbian-socialist republic and to dismantle the family unit,†echoing Pat Robertson’s notorious statement that feminism is a “socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians.â€

Learning critical thinking and immersion in a diversity of viewpoints and opinions—a chief goal of the college experience—seems to be what the Botkin sisters truly fear. Well, that and Satan—the sisters use the age-old image of women as helpless to resist temptation as another argument against a college education: “Recall that Satan targeted a woman first, too. God’s enemies have recognized that women are not only the weaker vessels, and consequently more easily led, but they are incredibly influential over their husbands (think of Eve again) and children, and they make excellent and loyal helpers,†claim the sisters [italics theirs]. The story of one misled college attendee, the providentially named Evangeline, is instructive. A homeschool graduate attending a Christian college away from home, Evangeline recalls, “I will never forget the night I sat on my bed reading [so Much More] until 4 in the morning, weeping over it.†She continues, “My heart had ached for a protected mission, a biblically sound mission, an ancient mission. And here it was! What joy! What relief! I was not designed to be an independent woman, but rather a part of a man’s life, a helper.â€

Every single ray of light that shines on the stay at home daughter movement makes me happy. I think that most people would be shocked to know how much some groups limit their children's futures.

[Inky]

I agree with you. I wonder how these SAHD's and their families justify it when they have to go to the hospital, and be cared for by a well-educated professional nurse, or operated on by a well-educated professional doctor. Or what happens when they purchase a property? Who do they think draws up legal documents, so that someone else can't come along and take the house right out from under you. Who works in the bank where you keep your money?

Really, they are indebted to any profession/person that requires post-secondary education, that they avail themselves of.

[fundies_like_zombies]

Not designed to be an independent women?!

[Soldier of the One]

Inky: a very good point. They write their blogs on computers, bear their children in hospitals (or at home) with skilled medical staff, eat their non-GMO food grown by ecologically-astute farmers... how can they reject science and education when it surrounds them so fully? It's one of those contradictions I've never been able to figure out. You're a hard-core Creationist? Well, good luck when you go for pre-natal screening, genetic testing, a bone marrow transplant or cancer treatment. A lot of our medical science and understanding of genetics is immediately based on evolutionary principles. How principled are fundies then to reject 'the culture' or 'the world' when it's about to save their lives or make their lives more comfortable?

This ultimately gives me hope because their lifestyle and culture is not able to perpetuate itself. Fundie doctors? Unless they had a conversionary experience after training, I highly doubt it.

Lurking on FJ (am mostly a lurker) tends to skew my perceptions a bit: how powerful and influential is Quiverfull and the SAHD movement anyway? We're all obsessing/fascinating by it but could we be overestimating it? Just asking - don't want to seem naive. OTOH, it's great that this sees the light of day. Hopefully, it will make men and women think more about the blessings of living in an open society. And heck, be thankful for the blessing known as feminism!

[formergothardite]

I agree with you. I wonder how these SAHD's and their families justify it when they have to go to the hospital, and be cared for by a well-educated professional nurse, or operated on by a well-educated professional doctor. Or what happens when they purchase a property? Who do they think draws up legal documents, so that someone else can't come along and take the house right out from under you. Who works in the bank where you keep your money?

Really, they are indebted to any profession/person that requires post-secondary education, that they avail themselves of.

I remember Kristina got all mad when people called her out about this because she said she would only see women doctors right after she said women should never work outside of the home. :roll:

[Soldier of the One]

I remember Kristina got all mad when people called her out about this because she said she would only see women doctors right after she said women should never work outside of the home. :roll:

Wow. The inconsistency, it burns. Or is it okay to be treated by heathen female doctors?

[formergothardite]

She said she wouldn't talk about it and she could see any sort of doctor she liked. Which is true, but if you are going to bash women working, it doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense to then say you only want to see women doctors. But with "soak and wet", I don't think she is the brightest.

[Buzzard]

Inky: a very good point. They write their blogs on computers, bear their children in hospitals (or at home) with skilled medical staff, eat their non-GMO food grown by ecologically-astute farmers... how can they reject science and education when it surrounds them so fully? It's one of those contradictions I've never been able to figure out. You're a hard-core Creationist? Well, good luck when you go for pre-natal screening, genetic testing, a bone marrow transplant or cancer treatment. A lot of our medical science and understanding of genetics is immediately based on evolutionary principles. How principled are fundies then to reject 'the culture' or 'the world' when it's about to save their lives or make their lives more comfortable?

This ultimately gives me hope because their lifestyle and culture is not able to perpetuate itself. Fundie doctors? Unless they had a conversionary experience after training, I highly doubt it.

Lurking on FJ (am mostly a lurker) tends to skew my perceptions a bit: how powerful and influential is Quiverfull and the SAHD movement anyway? We're all obsessing/fascinating by it but could we be overestimating it? Just asking - don't want to seem naive. OTOH, it's great that this sees the light of day. Hopefully, it will make men and women think more about the blessings of living in an open society. And heck, be thankful for the blessing known as feminism!

Glad to see you back! I missed by BSG/Caprica friend!

The whole SAHD movement is an extreme reaction to whatever fears the parents have of society. It cannot survive because logic wont let it. There are too many "good" women out there aiding society. Whether its medical, education, public safety etc. they are essential elements of a functional society and the same functional society is blessed by god, right? I understand that 'merica is going down the tubes because of teh geyz, but they havent been bold enough to say that its because we dare to allow women to be edumacated and work. Even to the highly uneducated this has to be a #logicfail.

I'm really glad this is seeing a more mainstream approach and differentiated from valid homeschooling because they are not the same thing. One can be beneficial when done correctly, the other is patently abusive.

[Soldier of the One]

Glad to see you back! I missed by BSG/Caprica friend!

The whole SAHD movement is an extreme reaction to whatever fears the parents have of society. It cannot survive because logic wont let it. There are too many "good" women out there aiding society. Whether its medical, education, public safety etc. they are essential elements of a functional society and the same functional society is blessed by god, right? I understand that 'merica is going down the tubes because of teh geyz, but they havent been bold enough to say that its because we dare to allow women to be edumacated and work. Even to the highly uneducated this has to be a #logicfail.

I'm really glad this is seeing a more mainstream approach and differentiated from valid homeschooling because they are not the same thing. One can be beneficial when done correctly, the other is patently abusive.

It's nice to be back! Thank you for the warm welcome :) I haven't seen JFC in a while, I hope she's still around :)

True. I also think there's a fantasy-element around and a fair bit of 'chosenness' syndrome. For all their PR work and proselytizing efforts, I am skeptical whether the Biblical Patriarchy movement actually wants to go really and truly mainstream. I think they enjoy their 'vanguard'/'special snowflake' position quite a bit and relish in it. Not only would it be unfeasible for them to 'turn' the entire world, I also don't think they actually want to. They want power and control, but they may also want servitude by the heathen masses.

OK, now it's time for me to take off my tinfoil hat :)