10 hours ago, Jinder Roles said:
After listening to the podcast (which I believe is legit or else this Justin guy deserves an award) is that Josh really knows his way around a computer and has for a minute.
Justin sees Josh's passwords as reflecting comfort rather than being unintelligent. He compares it to forgetting to lock a car door because you feel safe where you are. He thinks Josh has been doing this for a long time.
That's scary to think about.
I really appreciate the podcast for highlighting the toxic structures of fundamentalist and conservative Christianity. These environments harbour all kinds of abuse and isms (sexism, racism, fatphobia, ableism, xenophobia etc).
What really stuck with me after listening to the 1st episode, was all that talk about "Satan attacking". Justin (and his wife) explained in great lengths the fundie-mindset that might have been prevalent in Josh, JB, and others in the church, when Josh was disciplined for his "porn-problem" (more likely the molestations).
Justin explains, that due to Josh being the golden child, and "reeking of destiny" (as he put it), this "Satan attack" will most likely have been viewed as some distinction or a "badge of honour". Meaning, that the attack (and the "serverity" of it) shows Josh being "chosen" for a "greater destiny", so Satan considers him 'important' enough to severely attack him (and thus God's plans with Josh). This will most likely have been also prevalent in Josh's thinking. So the church discipline in this context was yet another "distinction", and I think it's quite possible that this train of thought might have helped him to get through this. This also explains to me why nothing changed afterwards and Josh just carried on as he did before and got deeper and deeper into the quagmire. When "being under attack" is not your fault, there's no reason to change your behaviour, right?
To me this again shows the degree of mental gymnastics that are happening in those circles in order to ward off cognitive dissonances or doubts or whatever.
It also shows that "personal responsibilty" for your actions is not a concept that is held high in those circles. Everything and anything is externalized and pinned either on God (the good stuff, but also God 'testing' you) or Satan (attack, temptation). Having grown up in a fundie environment myself I kind of know this mechanism to a lesser degree out of my own experience. It was only by externalizing all that stuff, esp. the undesirable stuff, that made the pressure of having to be 'perfect' somewhat bearable.
This is not to defend Josh and his actions, it's rather an attempt to look behind the surface and find some possible answers to "how could this happen?" and "why did this end up (had to end up?) in such a mess?"