On 5/16/2024 at 11:55 AM, noseybutt said:

Why would you be beaten to death for saying that? I think it's pretty well known that his speech was at a trad Catholic school, which means it likely is not standard Catholic teaching.

Apparently any criticism of the Catholic Church is "being beaten to death". No one can have their own experiences with the Church. No one can have negative experiences that aren't dogma. Trying to talk about problems with church teachings that aren't dogma is unfair.

The numerous sex abuse scandals aren't Dogma either, but they are negative experiences people have had with the church. I guess it's not fair to complain, since it's not Dogma to cover up sex abuse. It's also something that seems to happen over and over again within the Church.

On 5/16/2024 at 1:55 PM, noseybutt said:

Why would you be beaten to death for saying that? I think it's pretty well known that his speech was at a trad Catholic school, which means it likely is not standard Catholic teaching.

See above. 

8 minutes ago, louisa05 said:

I don’t think they are.  But they nicely pointed out that this shit isn’t Catholic teaching and certainly not Dogma as half the internet is telling the world it is. 
 

Dogma has a very specific meaning in Catholicism. It’s reserved for the stuff in the creed and other core Christian teachings based on scripture and teachings of the church fathers. Cultural norms like who works or doesn’t are not matters of dogma 

No one said it was Dogma that I've seen. But it is consistent with a lot of people's experiences of what being Catholic is like. He certainly said some things like his tirade about IVF, which fit in with Catholic teachings. The Catholic Church puts a lot of emphasis on things like reproductive rights, which he touched on in his speech, and have an impact on women's ability to have careers outside the home. 

Behind this car in traffic this morning. I feel like there’s no chance they’re not fundies. 
 

1 hour ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

With all due respect to the nuns, that's not the spirit of the college. I read several comments from people who had been there and it aligns with most of what Butker said. 

The original poster on ex-Catholic Reddit said that the commencement opened with the President of the College saying:

I don't know if the Nuns aren't currently involved, if their order is dying out, etc., but they don't seem to be that involved if they're unhappy with his remarks.

I don’t think they are.  But they nicely pointed out that this shit isn’t Catholic teaching and certainly not Dogma as half the internet is telling the world it is. 
 

Dogma has a very specific meaning in Catholicism. It’s reserved for the stuff in the creed and other core Christian teachings based on scripture and teachings of the church fathers. Cultural norms like who works or doesn’t are not matters of dogma