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  2. Methodist Episcopal eventually became United Methodist minus some splits along the way.
  3. I think I may have found the answer. Her mother who died is buried in a family cemetery with a Methodist-Episcopal chapel and her mom's brother was a minister of that sect. The grandma who raised her was her Dad's mom and since my gramma didn't care probably just named the first religion that sprung to mind. Read up on all the denominations and no wonder she was willing to "marry the devil himself" to get the hell out of town and not end up a farmer's wife. None of those churches look like pleasant places for someone who gives very few f's about religion.
  4. Google says you can make wine out of those, too!
  5. Depends on the part of Missouri. We do have wineries here. As far as the religion, sometimes people don’t really pay attention to what someone’s denomination is when passing information down. Maybe she changed churches? If she moved from one town to another the new town may not have had the same denomination.
  6. I don't think those are grapes. They could muscadines.
  7. Someone on Reddit was asking for info about an ancestor who happens to be my 8th g-grandfather so I shared my info with him, kind of excited to be able to help, but he's just a mess and has no idea how he's related to this ancestor, just sure that he is because "he's the originator of all the Boh annon families in the US." Uhm, no, there were at least two others who came over in the same time frame who appear to be completely unrelated so I'm kind of annoyed I went to the trouble of renaming my tree (to remove my last name) and mark last two generations over me living so he couldn't see my parents/grandparents. (This is an open club so I split the name so this page won't turn up in a Google search.) Anyway, the TLDR is in doing this I looked at my mom's lines which I haven't done in a while and revisited my great-grandmother. She died when my grandmother was four, so all I know is she had her third child December 1910 and died May of 1911, and that baby died the next month, June 1911. The county has death records for all my other relatives except her. There was no epidemic noted in the local area in 1911 so I'm trying to brainstorm how she and her baby may have died? It could have been unrelated, but him dying at six months old only a month after her makes me wonder if their deaths were related. I never thought to ask my grams about it when she was alive. I know post partum infections can take a few months before becoming fatal, but that wouldn't explain the death of the baby. So this lead me to looking again at my 2nd great grandmother's obit (her mother in law took the kids in and raised them since my grandma's dad was a shit person.) The wording of the obit says she was a "consecrated Christian" who was "converted at a young age and joined the Presbyterian Church." What is a consecrated Christian? By convert do they mean baptism? Because the family is various flavors of Protestant going back hundreds of years so it's not like she was coming in from an entirely different religion. It said she joined the Presbyterian church, but there are also records of her being on some ladies committee at a "Congregationalist church" and my Grams said she was raised Methodist, and this is the woman who raised her. I have no idea what a congregationalist is, but I didn't think Presbyterians and Methodists were interchangeable? Am I wrong? Google says they are very different, but protestants confuse me because there are so many variations within some denominations. She married a Baptist. Does that mean anything? Do Presbyterians and or Methodists consider Baptists to be of like mind enough to marry without needing to convert? (Is my lapsed Catholicism showing in my ignorance?) My Grams wasn't a stupid woman, so I assume she knew what religion she was raised in, but she's also the one who said, when asked why she converted to Catholicism for Grandpa, "Simple, honey. He cared and I didn't." so she was not a religious person, but she was raised with mandatory church attendance so you'd still think she'd know what religion she was. And she wasn't a devout anything so I can't go by her beliefs, since the only thing she's ever said to me about religion I quoted above. I assume she believed in God as the Godbotherers in the family think she's in heaven. Pic of 2nd great grandmother in the spoiler. I think those are grapes? I'd like to think she's making wine, but in Missouri?
  8. I’m watching a things out the Salem Witch Trials from The Travel channel that’s on Hulu. (This one is okay, but they skim the details and don’t go into more than some of the highlights of the accused). This is a subject that I now will usually stop and watch documentaries on due to the genealogy work I’ve done. I’m a direct descendant of Mary Perkins Bradbury (accused, convicted was supposed to be hung but somehow escaped from jail.) I’m also descended from Phebe Wildes Day. (Accused, arrested, but was not taken to Boston/Salem but to a different jail because of where she was arrested. Likely saved her life). Also accused was her sister Sarah Wildes Bishop and Sarah’s husband. They both escaped and went into hiding. The interesting to me part of this was accused, arrested, convicted, hung their stepmother Sarah Averill Wildes. John Wildes first wife died. He remarried. But his late wife’s family (the Goulds) thought he remarried too quickly and didn’t like the new wife. Also John Wildes was a magistrate and I believe there was a whole issue with him not helping his brother in law out of a jam in some legal issue. Turns out the Goulds are related to (a couple of generations up back in England) the Putman family. Ann Putman Jr was one of the afflicted girls with her father giving names of suspects to be arrested. so, any other very distant cousins here on FJ?
  9. HerNameIsBuffy

    23 and Me

    I have that too and for the last couple of months had been on a quest and I finally found the common ancestors this weekend. I was so excited to solve the puzzle I forgot how none of this matters irl Turns out in 1512 and 1518 a Swiss couple had two sons amongst their kids. The descendants of one (my 10th g-grandfather) went to Germany and stayed (my dad was born there) and the other's descendants (my 11th g-grandfather) also went to Germany and then to the US in 1717. Pedigree collapse doesn't bother me when there's almost half a millennium in between. I've been working on this for months, cross referencing DNA matches from various sites, their trees, shared matches....so satisfying to finally find them. And fun fact, my 11th g-grandfather noted above - his middle name is the same as my youngest son's first name. I didn't know he existed until recently, but that was fun for me. I mean I didn't know about this g-grandfather, I definitely knew my son existed. Since he's lived in my house since I expelled him from my body he's kind of hard to miss!
  10. I’ve had limited results in using dna matches (mainly on ancestry) to figure things out in my tree. This usually involves practing what I refer to as bad genealogy, following so,e of the suggested parents (which is pulling from other people’s trees and those are often not sourced) and seeing what happens with my dna matches at that point (using through lines). I have backed into a correct sort of parents for a 2x great grandmother this way. Most folks are using something else and the suggest parents for that give me nothing. While the other one (which does have a basis as I’m discovering) has given me some matches. I have a couple of other branches where I can tell there are ties to a particular family. But the extract connection has yet to materialize. One of those I have given up using dna matches to figure out because of a phenomenon I’ve learned is called “tree collapse” and happens when you end up with first/second cousins marrying each other, (in my case, the descendants of multiple cousin marriages pop higher than they should on my dna matches and obscure the results. in the realm of fundies, would it count if I tell you that I have a branch of Spurgeon (Or Spurgin) dating back to colonial America (and involved an ancestor arriving here as an indentured servant that I think was in prison/jail)?
  11. HerNameIsBuffy

    Fundy adjacent family trees - anyone want to share?

    Spending another weekend deep in cross-referencing my families based on DNA to try to break a few brick walls and have to add another fundy adjacent name - Keller in Germany. I think it's so weird I'm into this as I have no contact or interest in living extended family. If I wanted to get all navel gazy about it I'd say it was very telling of my need to keep relationships and connections superficial. You don't get more superficial than "family" that only exists as names, dates, and positions on a tree. It's a nice way to feel a sense of family while still respecting my aversion to intimacy. ? If anyone has any tips of how you compare DNA to your tree to confirm stuff I'd love it if you share. The strict believers don't last many generations in my family. I mean my g-whatever grandfather was a Mennonite minister who fled religious persecution to the US in 1717. If the reason he came here with his children was true, then he must've been disappointed that so many of them married into local Lutheran and regular protestant population first generation. Yet the Bontrager's had some of their people carry it until ....is it Pa Bontrager's parents or grandparents who were still Mennonite? If we get a time machine perhaps I will go back and let my ancestor know the Bontrager patriarch was better at being Mennonite than he was. I mean why time travel if not to troll your ancestors?
  12. WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?

    Fundy adjacent family trees - anyone want to share?

    Some of my ancestors came west to join Horace Greeley's utopian Union Colony of Colorado. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Colony_of_Colorado I haven't investigated it very much, but I don't think it was exactly fundy. Just Utopian and big on no drinking aka the "Temperance Movement". Of course, a few generations later, my grandma from that line married my alcoholic grandfather. I guess he might not have been obviously alcoholic yet when they married?
  13. I'm distantly related to David Daleiden, one the guys behind the Planned Parenthood Sting Videos from a couple of years ago. Prior to all of this he and his family were invited to a big family reunion but luckily none of them showed up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Daleiden
  14. Let me preface this by saying I have no knowledge and even less interest in the family trees of the fundies on here so I'm strictly going by name but in the last few months I've made some progress on my trees and discovered that I am both Bontrager (Penna Dutch US line) and Arndt (Germany) adjacent. But the reason I am posting this is last weekend I found a Gotthard. It was a first name, not surname and had the extra T....but if any of my kids ever go mining the old family tree for baby names I will delete that one before letting them log into my ancestry account. Fun fact....my Gotthard was Catholic. I bet David Waller felt a shiver right down the pleat of his carefully pressed khakis at the thought of a Catholic Got(t)hard.
  15. clueliss

    brick wall- so close

    My sympathies. I have one branch where the names Thomas, Simon, and Uriah (along with John, James, Joseph) are used on repeat.
  16. HerNameIsBuffy

    brick wall- so close

    I'm so frustrated - I moved on from one brick wall to another as a change of pace. I've got my g-grandparents marriage records and the names of their parents. The for my gg grandmothers line there are 5 local families with her name, all related descending from two brothers several generations earlier. I'm just missing the link to my ggg grandfather. I know he's from one of those families but I can't find anything to tell me which one. My distraction for today is to map them out on paper and maybe engaging a new part of my brain will help. I need a time machine to go back and explain the important of being a little creative with names. Multiple families, same surname, each with tons of kids all using the same 10 or so names....and how about not reusing identical names for living kids that you used to babies who passed. Because it's creepy and complicates things.
  17. HerNameIsBuffy

    Oh, Goddess! I Think I'm Related to the Bateses

    I'm Bontrager adjacent from PA Dutch early migration! My people dropped the Mennonite thing first generation after the patriarch was a minister, so apparently I'm of heathen stock from way back. Also have people in the Missouri Ozarks - mostly Laclede county. Do you share a common ancestor with them?
  18. Couldn't figure out how to start a new topic under, Geneology. Please, tell me how to move it. Bottom line: I'm an avid, amateur genealogist, and I have an entire line of Bates, from the Missouri Ozarks area that were very Christian Fundamentalist, to the point that they didn't believe women should read. My Great Grandma rebelled, and married a damn Quaker.
  19. clueliss

    How to get started

    Finding your royal roots. From the useful charts channel And the video before that one is spoilered it’s about is everyone related to royalty.
  20. keen23

    23 and Me

    I did 23&Me, and there weren't any surprises. My parents are in fact my bio parents. There haven't yet been any surprise relatives coming out of the woodwork. I do have more than a handful of relatives who I'm related to on both sides (not that surprising). My family on both sides came over from eastern Europe - I am 99.9% European and .1% unassigned- hung around in Newfoundland and Quebec for 150 or so years, and then came to New Hampshire/Maine/Massachusetts between 1880 and 1920. Except for my maternal grandfather who came directly from northern Italy to Massachusetts.
  21. HerNameIsBuffy

    23 and Me

    I also find the migration paths fascinating. Of my 16 g-g-grandparents 6 lines are Colonial. And except for one that went direct to MD from England everyone else is either MA/PA to VA. From there I have a couple who went to NC before TN but then it gets super crowded with the ones that went to TN and from there to MO post civil war. Oh, except for a couple that went England > VA and one that went Scotland > Barbados > VA. It makes sense for farmers as the government was awarding land in TN to Revolutionary war vets as an incentive to settle and lots of families (mine included) then went in groups together to MO, as you mentioned. Some of mine went to OH also at that time, were they giving land grants for that area as well? It's a dream of mine to go to Laclede county MO and just people watch to see who looks like me, since I share ancestry with so many people there (and my Grams was the last to leave the area, so as recent as that there is a lot of extended family.) If I had the time/money/someone interested to go with me I'd love to do the TN > MO trip as ancestors graves are pretty cool in pics and I'd like to see then in person. Some family cemeteries are on private property but from some forum posts they're super welcoming of people who want to visit. Which is why I won't....I'd love to see the sites and the area but actually speaking to people....nope. I think about those ancestors every morning in winter when I pre-start my car so I don't have to be cold for even a few minutes driving to work. I imagine what it must have been like to travel those distances in covered wagons and dealing with eleventy kids without modern conveniences and having a baby every freaking year in some cases. If I could go back in time I imagine they'd find me useless as my only skills require electricity. I mean, I can cook but not on a wood stove and how do I know when things are done without a timer on my phone? I just realized how very sad it is that I have a lifelong dream of visiting Laclede Co. Missouri. I'm not sure a lot of people have that so high on their bucket list!
  22. clueliss

    23 and Me

    I also did some research and found a migration pattern out of Massachusetts after the Salem Witch Trials to Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York and New Jersey. But you know, I just can't imagine why the families of those persecuted in 1692/1693 would want to flee the area. I have ancestry that goes back to that area (as well as Maine). And found that post Revolutionary War/War of 1812 when the government decided to pay soldiers with land grants there was a migratory hop out of New England and the Mid-Atlantic states (for me Maryland/Virginia) to the Ohio River area (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky, Tennessee). And then another hop out of that area to Missouri/Kansas where my family is from after the Civil War. Granted this is minus the German Immigrants (seemed to head right for St. Louis area) and a branch of the family that set up in Northern Arkansas (migrated from North Carolina across Tennessee and the southeastern tip of Illinois) I find migration times and routes fascinating.
  23. HerNameIsBuffy

    23 and Me

    I have that migration pattern as well! I wonder how many of us with Colonial ancestors have lines that tie in at some point. I am now sad I haven't come across a Quaker. But I am certainly glad my uncle because an LDS convert because there was some serious time and money spent documenting that side. We've got documents on one line going back to 1635 - it's crazy. It's so much more fun to do that side than my dad's....I'm a first generation American on that side so the brick walls come pretty early. Main goal is to solve the mystery of my Grandfather's parents, but part of me feels kind of guilty since if he wanted us to know he would have been chattier about it.
  24. clueliss

    23 and Me

    On that note -I'd like to thank the colonial era Quakers for documenting (not really kidding) every stinking life event in their notes and preserving them. Even if your family was Quaker for a short period of time - the notes are there. Also explained to me (along with some google research) that Migration of folks from New Jersey/Pennsylvania through Maryland, Virginia and into the Carolinas really did happen (and you know, Quaker Meeting Notes).
  25. HerNameIsBuffy

    23 and Me

    Ancestry is super easy and you can create an account for free....but if you want to use the feature with records then you have to upgrade to one of the paid packages. I was on there all weekend - needed an escape from life - and when looking at family trees trying to sort out one of my dead ends I saw a very familiar name keep cropping up. Guess whose former Mennonite family has criss crossed lines with a fundy family of Mennonite extraction? Hey Bontragers....my family dropped the Mennonite stuff first generation here in the 1700s and none of my line married a Maxwell!
  26. WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?

    23 and Me

    My mother-in-law gave me an Ancestry DNA test as a birthday gift in 2019. I'm lazy/disorganized/worried by new things enough that it's still in the box. I need to find out if I can still use it. I'm not particularly worried about any surprises in my immediate family. I look too much like both of my parents and my 3 siblings to expect any surprises there. I just haven't felt up to reading all the instructions and making sure I follow them all correctly. I'll also have to make an Ancestry account, I presume. This makes me sound like the lazybones I often am, but I find new things harder to start, even though they often turn out to be quite simple. (I recently put off returning a swimsuit to CostCo for over a week because I had never made a return there. It was super simple and took all of 10 minutes. ) So, I guess I'm curious how difficult anyone has found Ancestry to navigate, and to hear whether people found the results worth the hassle. (Sorry to jump in when my question is kind of tangental.)
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