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Let's share knowledge of the Bible, Torah, Quran and other religious texts. Fundies think they corner the market on biblical knowledge, but often they cherry pick and take things out of context. Let's discuss and learn together what the religious texts REALLY say.
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  2. elliha

    Become a minister?

    I want to update people a little. I am still a church warden, I am now confirmed within my church and I am working on my prayer life. I did not end up finishing the course I started and I have not applied again this autumn. I am contemplating contacting my church to discuss the fact that I have a calling towards the church. I am very scared to do so and I am not sure if I will be able to but I do feel that I may soon have to at least discuss this. I am also considering involving myself in a group that are leading lay-services to further see if this is for me and if this may actually be enough
  3. Pecansforeveryone

    Feeling Stuck/Doubt/Leaving Church

    @Jinder Roles, I relate to what you are saying so very much. I was raised devout evangelical Christian and tried through out my twenties and early 30s to be that faithful Christian, sweating blood to just believe. I am now a committed and very happy atheist. I would 1st and formost reassure it's 100% okay to have different beliefs than your parents. Yes, really. It is now up to this all-powerful, all-knowing deity to reveal themselves to you. You can relax. If you like studying you can read books on comparing World Religions. You can Google the evolution, sociology, and neuroscience of religio
  4. bucherwurm

    Feeling Stuck/Doubt/Leaving Church

    I came searching for this exact thing. I am feeling very cynical towards religion right now. I didn't grow up in a church, but I was always interested in it. I became pretty into it when I started college and went to church on the Sundays I wasn't working. Husband and I waited until marriage to move in and such. I was in to skirts only for a while, covering shoulders, etc. My brother is suddenly into becoming Catholic since his and his wife's baby got baptized this year. They told a story about the day they were at a "life chain". I had to restrain myself from not rolling my eyes too har
  5. VelociRapture

    Feeling Stuck/Doubt/Leaving Church

    I don’t have advice either unfortunately. I was raised Catholic, but I never really believed a lot of what we were told and I haven’t considered myself a Catholic since shortly after Confirmation (which they tell you is a choice, but I felt like it wasn’t.) It shocked my mom when she found out we weren’t baptizing our daughter, but I made it pretty clear it wasn’t up for discussion and she hasn’t mentioned it since. I figure that I’ll go to Church when necessary (funerals and weddings), but otherwise I don’t owe anything to the Church. (I haven’t refused communion before, but I don’t pla
  6. Bethella

    Feeling Stuck/Doubt/Leaving Church

    I haven't left our church but I have cut back on my attendance in order to avoid a couple of people. I just started sleeping in on Sundays. If I wasn't up and dressed by the time everyone else left for church, they got the message that I wasn't going. I'm not sure if it would work in your case but it might be worth a try.
  7. I don't know what to say, I don't have any of the answers and I know you didn't ask for them. I just wanted to acknowledge how you're feeling and let you know that this a safe space for you to do your thinking out loud - but you know that already. "You can tell me anything" has to be the most common lie ever told, especially in families. The thing is people believe themselves when they say it. Your parents, like my family and many others really do think that we can tell them anything and they will be fine. They don't realise that their instinct to help, guide or fix it means they are anyt
  8. A thread for FJers who feel or have ever felt ‘stuck’ in their practices/faith. And also for those who have left or changed their faith. I’d appreciate to hear your experiences and thoughts. My current personal experience: So I recently moved to the DC area with my family and naturally, my parents are looking for a church home while we are here. We went to one today that aligns with with what they believe. It’s an Independent Baptist Church. They use Focus on The Family (which I have issues with), the pastor there while genuine in his faith seems to be a mentee of Jerry Falw
  9. SilverBeach

    Convince me about Jesus

    I don't think anybody should try to convince anyone about Jesus. Matters of faith are personal. Institutional Christianity has little to do with Christ, and instead is centered on Paulist bible idolatry (I know Catholics don't practice sola scriptura, but the Pope is not Christ). If it works for you and isn't harming anyone else, believe whatever you want to.
  10. Pecansforeveryone

    Convince me about Jesus

    Christianity was recognized and imposed by the Emperor Constantine in 373 AD (or so) as the official religion of the Roman Empire. This was absolutely pivotal in Christianity becoming a major world religion. Prior to that, Christianity was considered a small, oddball sect of Judaism with maybe 5,000 followers. Please bear in mind a lot of Christian doctrines were put to popular votes with the doctrines of St. Augustine winning the popularity contest. Christianity is where it is today largely due to Constantine and Augustine, and as @danvillebelle pointed out is largely Paulinian in nature.
  11. elliha

    Become a minister?

    Small update: I am not moving at a high speed but I am still a church warden and I have started an online course about world religions which I will be able to count towards the academic requirements to become a minister. So far the course is quite interesting but I have only studied about 2 weeks yet. I wanted to start a course about Jewish texts too but had to skip that due to lack of time. I will try next term to get into a bible course or other more Christian courses one is expected to have studied some courses about other religions too so I am not taking a detour.
  12. danvillebelle

    Convince me about Jesus

    Not necessarily related but this thread is the best place to put it... Reading Zealot by Reza Aslan and The Islamic Jesus by Mustafa Akyol has kinda rocked my world lately. The super-quick upshot being...if the Romans had not sacked Jerusalem in 70 AD thereby wiping out the Jerusalem church (headed by James)...things could have (and would have IMO) turned out QUITE differently. The older I get the more I start to think that Christianity as we know it is solely Pauline. Obviously as a professed Orthodox Christian, that kinda throws a monkey wrench into things. I'm working i
  13. nausicaa

    Convince me about Jesus

    Yep! I am active at an Episcopal church but still consider myself an agnostic. I pray, go to church, and practice a lot of the liturgical calendar traditions because I find them soothing. I also love history and think it's interesting to reflect on how many people have done these things over the years and why these traditions developed (agnostic answer: because they are soothing and bring humans a sense of tradition, purpose, and community). From the people I've talked to at my church, a lot seem to be like me. To the OP: As others have said, you can't force yourself to believe. I'm not
  14. AliceInFundyland

    Convince me about Jesus

    You can’t force religion. What everyone else said is correct. I suppose I fall in the not damaged by religion so what do i believe camp? Well. Secular/cultural/ethinic Jew but atheist Dad plus Mom raised in Unity church. Unity is very similar to the Unitarians, but not. Metaphysical Christians is how they describe themselves. Not big on Jesus. And now I find myself...identifying with a higher power, who I call God. And I have a very strong connection to Judaism. But worship? It’s tricky. I never did it. I long for it at times. The sense of community. The shared experienc
  15. feministxtian

    Convince me about Jesus

    Part 2...yes, my church is KJV only...and that's fine with me. I know it's not a great translation and I prefer NIV/NASB for serious study but I love the language in the KJV and somehow it makes it easier for me to memorize passages of scripture. Beyond that, I'm on board with the rest of the core beliefs. I do believe that John 1 is literal truth regarding God and Jesus (In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God...). I do believe He did what was written about him. Why? Most of the NT was written while there were still people alive who witnessed Jesus'
  16. feministxtian

    Convince me about Jesus

    My beliefs are in many ways an oxymoron. I consider myself a fundamentalist Christian, attending an IFB church. BUT...I avoid the bastardization of Rethugican politics and Christianity. My political beliefs are formed from my religious beliefs. Matthew 25:31-46 is the base of what I believe along with Micah 6:8 and James 1:27. I was raised "cultural Catholic" in the immediate post Vatican 2 era, 12 years of Catholic schools and emerged basically an atheist. After my kids were born, I started feeling a pull to raise them in some sort of faith tradition and well...back to the RCC I went. I
  17. Daisy0322

    Convince me about Jesus

    @feministxtian do you have any thoughts on this? I remember you speaking about your personal faith before. (I hope you don't mind me tagging you)
  18. Daisy0322

    Convince me about Jesus

    Im not sure this is very insightful but... I enjoy going to church. I've noticed when I go my life tends to be more positive and I tend to be happier overall. That's enough for me. Did the magical stuff happen? Maybe, maybe not. I don't take it all literally. I didn't grow up in a religious family ... or a happy family. But I used god as someone I could talk to when I had no one else. I think that feeling of not feeling alone or like you've been heard is where my believing comes from. That and something inside me has always been drawn to church. I think people can turn religion into fire and b
  19. elliha

    Convince me about Jesus

    I was very much in your position and I am now a more traditional Christian but this was a process of years. I do however believed that because I opened up myself to the possibility of there being a truth to the Christian message I did find my way into it too. I don't belong to the perfect church or congreation but it corresponds with some of the important points on my list and I have a place there. I do dream of taking the step to become a minister in my church at some point but for the time being I am a church warden and I will probably soon start taking a bit of extra classes and such about
  20. Pecansforeveryone

    Convince me about Jesus

    Please feel free to explore religious beliefs and communities, both past and present. I feel more connected to humanity when I realize the journey of searching for "truth, understanding, and enlightenment we are on." You can Google why Jew' s don't believe in Jesus. There are plenty of reasons why the Jewish people didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah. You can practice rites and rituals without belief. You can pray and meditate all you want. Meditation is comforting for many people of diverse beliefs.
  21. singsingsing

    Convince me about Jesus

    I'd highly recommend avoiding Lee Strobel's books (which I have read), or any author who's presenting an extremely biased, one-sided argument in an attempt to convert you rather than to actually examine the facts. Or at the very least, if you're going to read heavily biased stuff like Strobel, you'll want to even it out by reading heavily biased works by atheists and by apologists for other religions, and of course try to find less biased, more honest and academic sources as well. I was going to add the caveat 'unless you're okay with basically tricking yourself into believing something'
  22. molecule

    Convince me about Jesus

    I struggled with some of these things for many years. Although I now believe all that woo-woo stuff about Jesus, miracles, dying for my sins, etc., I still pray to God, not to Jesus. You mention several things you don't believe. May I suggest you begin by embracing what you DO believe? Years ago, I recognized that I truly believe there is God, even though I couldn't explain what it who God was. My journey with Jesus also started with what I believed--that he was a good man who understood God. He used his life to teach us what it means to love people--even to the point of dying. I didn't
  23. Pecansforeveryone

    Convince me about Jesus

    Also remember religion and religious belief is heavily determined by your surrounding culture. If you had been raised in Idonesia, you would be asking us to prove to you that Allah is God alone and Muhammad was his prophet. If you had been raised in India, you would be asking us to prove to you that Krishna and Shiva are truly divine and why karma and reincarnation are real. Humanity has pondered the existence of the Divine since the beginning of time. I see the burden of proof being on an almighty deity to reveal themselves and any incarnations of themselves to you in an undeniable, indisputa
  24. justoneoftwo

    Convince me about Jesus

    This exactly. Look into religions that are not Christianity. Judaism is a good option, but there are others. Try them and see what fits for you.
  25. keen23

    Convince me about Jesus

    Perhaps you should look into Judaism? Just saying, if the Jesus part of the religion is what you're stuck on, remove it from the equation and look outside Christianity.
  26. nolongerIFBx

    Convince me about Jesus

    Singsingsing has given good thoughts. I am a believer but I was raised in church so I freely admit that believing was easy for me. While I have stepped away from a lot of the rules that I was taught, my belief is part of my identity. But if I decided that I wanted to be Hindu instead, I would have trouble believing in the deities (although I do find a lot that speaks to me in their teachings). If you do want to seek to believe, I would start with John in the New Testament. Find a version that works for you (which is probably not going to be the KJ version unless you really enjoy Old
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