What not to wear turns homemake into easy sleazy

[Beeks]

Jacinda is one of the few fundie blogs I actually keep in my reader....maybe because she routinely makes me LOL at how she almost snarks on herself:

"I got half-way through one episode and then turned it off. It's true that show's victim looked kind of frumpy in her over-sized pink t-shirt and worn-out denim jumper. But at least she was modest! After undergoing her make-over, she looked more like an easy sleazy than a tired homemaker"

An easy sleazy? Teehee.

[Glass Cowcatcher]

Jacinda is one of the few fundie blogs I actually keep in my reader....maybe because she routinely makes me LOL at how she almost snarks on herself:

"I got half-way through one episode and then turned it off. It's true that show's victim looked kind of frumpy in her over-sized pink t-shirt and worn-out denim jumper. But at least she was modest! After undergoing her make-over, she looked more like an easy sleazy than a tired homemaker"

An easy sleazy? Teehee.

I don't always like how the people are dressed "After" on that show, but I can think of very few instances in which the "Afters" were put in immodest clothing. In fact, many of them got on the show because they dressed immodestly in the first place!

[Maude]

I don't always like how the people are dressed "After" on that show, but I can think of very few instances in which the "Afters" were put in immodest clothing. In fact, many of them got on the show because they dressed immodestly in the first place!

Agreed. I can't remember if it was last week or the week before, but a lady from Puerto Rico was on because her daughter was tired of her 'dressing like a hooker' (not the exact phrase they used, but that's what was meant). I watch the show on occasion because I like their tips on how to dress for your body type, and of course, the hair and make-up transformations are always cool to see.

[Jessica]

Agreed. I can't remember if it was last week or the week before, but a lady from Puerto Rico was on because her daughter was tired of her 'dressing like a hooker' (not the exact phrase they used, but that's what was meant). I watch the show on occasion because I like their tips on how to dress for your body type, and of course, the hair and make-up transformations are always cool to see.

Desiree! She had clothes from a porn store! They asked her why she'd think it was ok to shop at a porn store and her response was "What? It was HAAAHHHT!" :P

[lilith]

Desiree! She had clothes from a porn store! They asked her why she'd think it was ok to shop at a porn store and her response was "What? It was HAAAHHHT!" :P

What was haaahhht? The weather or the clothes? I'm confused!!

[Glass Cowcatcher]

What was haaahhht? The weather or the clothes? I'm confused!!

Neither is a good excuse for dressing like a hooker. :naughty:

[Maude]

Desiree! She had clothes from a porn store! They asked her why she'd think it was ok to shop at a porn store and her response was "What? It was HAAAHHHT!" :P

Yes, that was her. She was really whiny and annoying, imho. :lol:

What was haaahhht? The weather or the clothes? I'm confused!!

The clothes.

[SealFan1963]

Love that show, but I have to laugh at their horror that someone would wear sweats or yoga pants to the grocery store.

It is so obvious neither of them have ever been up half the night with a sick kid when they suggest that a mom take the time to put on her casual weekend pants with coordinating jacket before running to the store for milk and Tylenol while carrying said sick kid who will probably throw up on her.

On the morning I drive my daughter to school at 6:45 I sleep in my yoga pants and t-shirt, wake up, splash water on my face, put on a coat and shoes and pray that I don't get pulled over.

[Beeks]

Love that show, but I have to laugh at their horror that someone would wear sweats or yoga pants to the grocery store.

It is so obvious neither of them have ever been up half the night with a sick kid when they suggest that a mom take the time to put on her casual weekend pants with coordinating jacket before running to the store for milk and Tylenol while carrying said sick kid who will probably throw up on her.

On the morning I drive my daughter to school at 6:45 I sleep in my yoga pants and t-shirt, wake up, splash water on my face, put on a coat and shoes and pray that I don't get pulled over.

Hahaha yes. I actually have "nice" yoga pants but stille, when I go to the store in them, what other people think of my attire is pretty much the last thing on my mind! I thi m Stacy and Clinton just have to be all horrified for the sake of the show. ;)

[nomoxian]

What was haaahhht? The weather or the clothes? I'm confused!!

Neither is a good excuse for dressing like a hooker. :naughty:

I generally agree... but if she were going to a fetish party I'd say "do what thou wilt"

I wear some revealing clothes, and in some cases no clothes at all - but not around my kid brother! (I don't have/want any kids) Maybe she should keep those threads to the bedroom. Just sayin'

[2xx1xy1JD]

Love that show, but I have to laugh at their horror that someone would wear sweats or yoga pants to the grocery store.

It is so obvious neither of them have ever been up half the night with a sick kid when they suggest that a mom take the time to put on her casual weekend pants with coordinating jacket before running to the store for milk and Tylenol while carrying said sick kid who will probably throw up on her.

On the morning I drive my daughter to school at 6:45 I sleep in my yoga pants and t-shirt, wake up, splash water on my face, put on a coat and shoes and pray that I don't get pulled over.

As much as I like Stacey and Clinton, having a mom as part of the cast would be great. You can't run after kids in a pointy-toe shoe with a heel!

Now, since the topic is What Not to Wear and modesty, I found an article from Mayim Bialik about what it's like to be made over by them, and how they handled her "modest vegan" preferences.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-an ... 2/wardrobe

[ilovetchotchkes]

As much as I like Stacey and Clinton, having a mom as part of the cast would be great. You can't run after kids in a pointy-toe shoe with a heel!

Now, since the topic is What Not to Wear and modesty, I found an article from Mayim Bialik about what it's like to be made over by them, and how they handled her "modest vegan" preferences.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-an ... 2/wardrobe

I have friends who threaten to call them on me. My sister bitches about this episode, claiming "well that's what she signed up for". Whatever. If someone hates a style that they push on them, do you think they'll actually wear it after all is said and done?

However much I'd love a clothing makeover, they'd touch my butt length hair upon PAIN OF DEATH. And the makeup makeover would last however long filming did, and then I'd saturate my face in witch hazel and cold cream and never wear it again. :P

I don't understand the horror of going out for a quick trip to the grocery store in yoga pants either. Back in my gym going days, the grocery store was across the street. Depending on if I needed perishables and i'd pop in there either before or after my work out.... Its not like you're shopping on Rodeo Drive. Its Walmart people and if you're in yoga pants and a teeshirt, you're "over dressed" compared to some of the people there already.

Edited for riffles . Not wearing glasses, can't see lack of punctuation...

[2xx1xy1JD]

After baby #3, I really wanted hubby to get me on the show. Sadly, he couldn't take the hint.

I saw one episode where a woman absolutely refused to allow scissors near her hair. I think it's a matter of being REALLY firm about your preferences.

Re mommy clothes: Why can't they say, "here are some clothes that are just as practical as comfy as your sweat pants, but they look decent"? Maybe a pinstriped Lululemon pant, a flattering top and jacket that is actually comfortable and practical? Or a great tank, jacket and skirt from Hard Tail? And maybe a decent backpack for an active, busy mom instead of bag dangling off the arm? And some smart yet practical flats, like Sketchers or Naots?

[ilovetchotchkes]

After baby #3, I really wanted hubby to get me on the show. Sadly, he couldn't take the hint.

I saw one episode where a woman absolutely refused to allow scissors near her hair. I think it's a matter of being REALLY firm about your preferences.

Re mommy clothes: Why can't they say, "here are some clothes that are just as practical as comfy as your sweat pants, but they look decent"? Maybe a pinstriped Lululemon pant, a flattering top and jacket that is actually comfortable and practical? Or a great tank, jacket and skirt from Hard Tail? And maybe a decent backpack for an active, busy mom instead of bag dangling off the arm? And some smart yet practical flats, like Sketchers or Naots?

Then the makeover won't be as ZOMG DRAMATIC. That's what they're pushing for is the dramatic "reveal" yanno?

[Glass Cowcatcher]

I generally agree... but if she were going to a fetish party I'd say "do what thou wilt"

I wear some revealing clothes, and in some cases no clothes at all - but not around my kid brother! (I don't have/want any kids) Maybe she should keep those threads to the bedroom. Just sayin'

I don't in principle have a problem with women dressing immodestly, but I think women do themselves a disservice when they wear clothes that are revealing in a way that does NOT flatter them, show an amount of skin that is inappropriate for a certain situation, or wear clothes that looks "Fetishy" for everyday wear.

ETA--I mean habitually, not the running-to-the-store-for-a-sick kid type of situations.

[ElphabaGalinda]

They dress women fairly modestly on What Not to Wear. I agree they're not great at the normal person going to the grocery store type outfit, but they don't dress women in very revealing clothing (not that there's a problem with that). What many fundies don't realize is you can dress modestly, as well as modernly and fashionably, and What Not to Wear offers some great tips you can apply to the most modest of wardrobes. It's like how you draw a lot more attention to yourself in an outdated frumper which doesn't seem very modest to me, and you can be just as covered up in something more fashionable.

[Glass Cowcatcher]

They dress women fairly modestly on What Not to Wear. I agree they're not great at the normal person going to the grocery store type outfit, but they don't dress women in very revealing clothing (not that there's a problem with that). What many fundies don't realize is you can dress modestly, as well as modernly and fashionably, and What Not to Wear offers some great tips you can apply to the most modest of wardrobes. It's like how you draw a lot more attention to yourself in an outdated frumper which doesn't seem very modest to me, and you can be just as covered up in something more fashionable.

I think they DO realize that and while they won't come out straight and say it, they want women in frumpers to shame them, to prevent them from feeling any sort of confidence about their womanhood.

[fakepigtails73]

Love that show, but I have to laugh at their horror that someone would wear sweats or yoga pants to the grocery store.

It is so obvious neither of them have ever been up half the night with a sick kid when they suggest that a mom take the time to put on her casual weekend pants with coordinating jacket before running to the store for milk and Tylenol while carrying said sick kid who will probably throw up on her.

On the morning I drive my daughter to school at 6:45 I sleep in my yoga pants and t-shirt, wake up, splash water on my face, put on a coat and shoes and pray that I don't get pulled over.

I admit I'm guilty of going to the market in my yoga pants once in a blue moon, lol! :whistle:

Those shows make me laugh. I remember watching Sally Jessy Raphael when she had on "Please help, my mom dresses like a porn-star!" as a topic, and liking neither before or after. Usually you had a 45 year-old wearing next to nothing, then what they would make her wear made her look 60 instead of 45. Why did every single 40-something on that show end up as a beige blazer and skirt suit bore? There is a happy middle between porn star and beige bore, you know...

Also I seldom saw any men on those make-over shows, hum, and why is that? Me thinks that men have more "latitude" to dress how they want, and even when they look like crap no one from their families parades them in front of a panel to be judged on a TV show.

[2xx1xy1JD]

So, what does the Hive think about the general WNTW message about modesty and "your clothes make a statement about you"?

In some ways, it's not unlike the guidelines and attitudes on some of the more moderate pro-modesty sites (Ms. Raquel and That Wife have a similar look). Does it come across better without fundie language, and with some humour, over-the-top self-parody and a $5,000 shopping spree?

Note: they used to do makeovers on men too, but they stopped because they didn't find them as interesting.

[Mountain Girl]

So, what does the Hive think about the general WNTW message about modesty and "your clothes make a statement about you"?

In some ways, it's not unlike the guidelines and attitudes on some of the more moderate pro-modesty sites (Ms. Raquel and That Wife have a similar look). Does it come across better without fundie language, and with some humour, over-the-top self-parody and a $5,000 shopping spree?

Note: they used to do makeovers on men too, but they stopped because they didn't find them as interesting.

I think most women really do feel good when they look good. There are times when it's just not possible (ie. sleepless baby, explosive stomach flu, work situations, etc.) And there are some caveats:

What makes me feel pretty is not what makes everyone feel pretty

Not everyone wants to feel "pretty", some may want to feel professional, put-together, casual, whatever

Someone can be beautiful on the outside but a horrible person on the inside

Just my .02 on fashion.

[ilovetchotchkes]

So, what does the Hive think about the general WNTW message about modesty and "your clothes make a statement about you"?

In some ways, it's not unlike the guidelines and attitudes on some of the more moderate pro-modesty sites (Ms. Raquel and That Wife have a similar look). Does it come across better without fundie language, and with some humour, over-the-top self-parody and a $5,000 shopping spree?

Note: they used to do makeovers on men too, but they stopped because they didn't find them as interesting.

I have to honestly say, with a toddler, and pregnant with #2, if I'm dressed in CLEAN clothes, yoga pants not withstanding, its an accomplishment. Its not a depression or a "i don't feel good about myself" but if I changed my shirt every time someone short and blonde with sticky or yogurty hands smeared them on me, I'd have even more laundry to do, and I cloth diaper. So there's a LOT of laundry to do in this house. In fact, this time of year? I just leave the kid in one of his diapers to run around unless we're leaving the house. Less laundry for me.

[dawbs]

I think the high standards for women make this a loosing battle.

There's a tremendous amount of subtext surrounding women putting on clothes in the morning...and I dont like it.

I don't WANT my clothes to make a statement.

(well, that's not entirely true--I resent the fact that I do't hve a choice but to work to make the statement be 'right' at my job)

[ilovetchotchkes]

I think the high standards for women make this a loosing battle.

There's a tremendous amount of subtext surrounding women putting on clothes in the morning...and I dont like it.

I don't WANT my clothes to make a statement.

(well, that's not entirely true--I resent the fact that I do't hve a choice but to work to make the statement be 'right' at my job)

THIS !

When I worked I ran into a lot of trouble for not dressing "professional" enough. Its like, ok, its not that I didn't care about my job, its that i've gained tons of weight in the last 4 years and could not afford due to my heniously crappy salary to BUY new "professional" clothes. Not only that but there is PRECIOUS LITTLE out there that's "professional" for a larger woman that actually looks good. And what there is, its horrifically expensive, and to add to it, made out of horrifically cheap nasty fabrics.

If you're not thin and rich, you're basically getting punished for your situation re: clothing choices.

[velly]

Love that show, but I have to laugh at their horror that someone would wear sweats or yoga pants to the grocery store.

It is so obvious neither of them have ever been up half the night with a sick kid when they suggest that a mom take the time to put on her casual weekend pants with coordinating jacket before running to the store for milk and Tylenol while carrying said sick kid who will probably throw up on her.

On the morning I drive my daughter to school at 6:45 I sleep in my yoga pants and t-shirt, wake up, splash water on my face, put on a coat and shoes and pray that I don't get pulled over.

I always shake my head at this statement because my mother not only had two little girls but two sick little girls... chronically sick too! I don't think I ever saw my mother in sweat pants... ever. But me? I am more casual... I am just saying that it is possible. Even when she got surgery that woman refused sweat pants/yoga pants...

[Coconut Flan]

They really should worry about the people wearing their pajamas to the grocery store or people who think tights are pants.