Duggars Daughters at ICHE 2012 Convention

[Fundilicious]

This link was posted over at TWOP. There are some sample clips of the daughters and the speech they gave at the conference. I haven't had time to listen to them, but it appears it's all very snark worthy.

 

So enjoy! http://www.iche.org/person/3085/jill-duggar

[xDreamerx]

I would like to listen, but it seems you have to buy the audio file.

[MrsYoungie]

You can listen to a few minutes worth for free by clicking on the play button. Dear me but they are terrible public speakers. I would not invest $4 for the audio never mind whatever people shelled out for the actual conference. Just a pair of mush mouthed kids. They sound like 15 year olds talking about boys. Seriously? They have zero experience with boys. It would be like me giving a speech about tatoos. I'd be an expert on how to avoid them and ot much else.

[lilwriter85]

They aren't great public speakers. I hate to say it, but Michelle does better than them. Part of the speeches are bullshit. "Relationships with your friends", oh yes J'Slaves, you barely have relationships with your friends. The J'Slaves are friends with girls from other fundie families. They don't know shit about making friends on their own and being friends with different people. They aren't normal at all. These girls are full of shit.

[Visionoyahweh]

They aren't great public speakers. I hate to say it, but Michelle does better than them. Part of the speeches are bullshit. "Relationships with your friends", oh yes J'Slaves, you barely have relationships with your friends. The J'Slaves are girls from other fundie families. They don't know shit about making friends on their own and being friends with different people. They aren't normal at all. These girls are full of shit.

They said to never, ever take advice from your friends, just your parents. Yeah, totally normal there...

And the point of having friends would be? It seems like noting more than a way to prove how holy you are amongst your inferiors.

[lilwriter85]

They said to never, ever take advice from your friends, just your parents. Yeah, totally normal there...

And the point of having friends would be? It seems like noting more than a way to prove how holy you are amongst your inferiors.

To the J'Slaves that is probably one of the reasons they friends. I don't think Jill, Jessa, or Jinger would be pleasant friends. I can totally picture them acting superior to their fundie friends who are pretty much the same as them. Jill has turned into a smug bitch. For the most part, I don't think any of them have deep friendships with people outside the home.

[Fundilicious]

Their attitudes towards the men who contact them kind of bother me. Sure, they get creepy e-mails, presents, etc. But they are on public television. This is going to happen and they need to be gracious (maybe there is a better word out there) But TLC is providing them a better life. With it comes hard core and frankly crazy fans. It's ok to not contact these people and even be skeeved out by some of them, but they are now publicly making fun of these individuals. The attitude in their voice makes me believe the girls just sit around in their bedroom and make fun of everyone who isn't them or in their circle. Kind of a sad attitude to have in my opinion and certainly not a godly one either.

[lilwriter85]

If the girls have issues with men contacting them, Boob and Mullet should rethink certain things. The Duggars are dumb about certain things. Sometimes it seems like they never expected to have crazy fans, and when they get the crazy fans they make fun of them to an extreme. As I said before, I don't think Jill, Jessa, or Jinger are pleasant to be around. I think Jana isn't as smug as them. They probably do make fun of people who aren't fundie. I bet Jill will only focus on working with fundie moms when she becomes a midwife. I can't see her working with atheists, mainstream Christians, lesbians, etc.

[crassy]

Two types of girls, eh? Can't tell if they are married, eh? So fucking what?

These girls need to step down off of their high horses.

[CrazySister]

Jill, I have one word of advice for you, even though you can use many more: ENUNCIATE!

[JenniferJuniper]

Jill, I have one word of advice for you, even though you can use many more: ENUNCIATE!

She sounds like a 12 year old.

The "relationships" they have with "guys" seem only to involve receiving packages and proposals from obsessive fans. I can't fathom how they could be paid to give relationship advice to young women.

[Mela99]

So what's the point of friends if you don't go to them?

[Georgiana]

Well, you know what they say, "Pride goeth before a fall".

Even in less fundie communities than the one the Duggars operate in, when women in a family are unmarried for too long, people start to talk. A family can get away with one unmarried daughter (it's a fluke), but when ALL the older ones are unmarried well into their 20's without prospects, people start to ask questions. People start to wonder if maybe they are too proud or too used to the material status of their parents to leave and cleave and start over with someone who is just building a financial foundation. People start to wonder if maybe there was something wrong with how they were raised. The tighter/smaller the community, the quicker the family gets an unsavory connotation.

Is it fair? No. Is it right? No. But if I were these girls, I would be VERY CAREFUL with how I come off, because they've only got a few more years before this all turns around on them. Even in my parents' fundie-lite community, I am very careful to stay very humble because I am unmarried at 24, and I know how people get. And I don't even want a husband from that community!

[CrazySister]

She sounds like a 12 year old.

The "relationships" they have with "guys" seem only to involve receiving packages and proposals from obsessive fans. I can't fathom how they could be paid to give relationship advice to young women.

12 is what I was thinking, too. I work with a 13yo and Jill sounds younger.

[JenniferJuniper]

People start to wonder if maybe they are too proud or too used to the material status of their parents to leave and cleave and start over with someone who is just building a financial foundation. People start to wonder if maybe there was something wrong with how they were raised. The tighter/smaller the community, the quicker the family gets an unsavory connotation.

Is it fair? No. Is it right? No. But if I were these girls, I would be VERY CAREFUL with how I come off, because they've only got a few more years before this all turns around on them. Even in my parents' fundie-lite community, I am very careful to stay very humble because I am unmarried at 24, and I know how people get. And I don't even want a husband from that community!

In bold is what I think is a key reason why the young Duggar women have remained unmarried. Plus the fact that the siblings are getting older and the idea of having a ton of their own blessings probably doesn't appeal to them any more than it did to me when I was helping my own mother.

I'm curious, how do people "get" with you? You're only 24. You may get married at 26 or 56 or not at all. What do you care what people think of your marital status, especially if you don't plan on marrying within your parents' community?

[Georgiana]

In bold is what I think is a key reason why the young Duggar women have remained unmarried. Plus the fact that the siblings are getting older and the idea of having a ton of their own blessings probably doesn't appeal to them any more than it did to me when I was helping my own mother.

I'm curious, how do people "get" with you? You're only 24. You may get married at 26 or 56 or not at all. What do you care what people think of your marital status, especially if you don't plan on marrying within your parents' community?

People don't really get any particular way to your face. I am lucky since I live in a state where the general marriage age is higher, at 24 I haven't quite yet crossed into old maid status. But you hear it when people talk. When women are young, if they break up with a boy, it's a shame. Then they get older, and once they're in their mid-twenties, people start attributing the break ups to the woman. They start to speculate. Things that were once overlooked become talking points. She's high maintenance. She's proud. She can't be easy to be with. She needs to do X, Y, or Z. If a boy in the community is interested in her, they may "caution" him. It's really like a connotation. There are things that can be unofficially attached to the girl that are never openly attached, but can really make it harder for her to get a mate in the community.

From what I have seen, if you stay humble and under the radar, then people just think it's a shame you haven't married because they haven't thought to talk about it. Don't give them anything to talk about, and there's less chance of them talking. All I know is that in my parents' community, the Duggar girls are reaching a point where people may think there is a REASON why they haven't married and not want their sons messed up in it. Reputation is a HUGE deal in fundie and fundie-lite communities. It's all sneaky talk. Someone implies something here, says a few words about it there, and suddenly the whole community thinks you're shallow and concerned with money. And who wants their son to marry a girl who is so concerned with material things?

As for me, I don't care about this for myself. Obviously, I don't plan to ever need a good reputation in that community. I care for my parents, because my being perceived in a certain way would have a very tangible impact in their lives. It can be a huge stigma. I may not agree with my parents' religious choices, but I love them dearly. Plus, I'm only ever around that community for select events, so it is no great inconvenience for me to toe the line and keep sweet and humble for those few hours. I see it as a way to be respectful to my parents. After all, were I ever involved in an activity at a mosque I would dress modestly and cover my hair out of respect to my hosts. I give my parents the same respect plus some.

[luckystone]

The "relationships" they have with "guys" seem only to involve receiving packages and proposals from obsessive fans. I can't fathom how they could be paid to give relationship advice to young women.

Okay that is messed up. Everyone on TV has weirdo fans, because there are a lot of freakish people out there. There are also a lot of mentally ill people who aren't really responsible for their behaviour, and a lot of desperate bored prisoners. I know friend of a friend who simply guest starred on a show and apparently mail rolled in. Some people just write to everyone! These girls probably think (and are told by their parents) that all men outside their community are like this. It's really sad they are using this as an example of their relationship with guys and talking about all the letters, because that's all they can come up with. Seriously creepy and gross. It's also creepy and gross that their parents apparently read them the letters (when they won't let them talk to just normal teenage boys outside the family) and don't seem to filter them out at all. It's also completely irrelevant for all of the girls who are listening unless they are also on TV! Yuck.

They are very poor public speakers too.

[alba]

You can listen to a few minutes worth for free by clicking on the play button. Dear me but they are terrible public speakers. I would not invest $4 for the audio never mind whatever people shelled out for the actual conference. Just a pair of mush mouthed kids. They sound like 15 year olds talking about boys. Seriously? They have zero experience with boys. It would be like me giving a speech about tatoos. I'd be an expert on how to avoid them and ot much else.

This was my thought when I first saw the TV show. For young adults who have spent their teenage years talking on TV, they're terribly ineloquent.

[Miggy]

12 is what I was thinking, too. I work with a 13yo and Jill sounds younger.

Agreed. My daughter is 13 and she is way ahead of Jill both in her public speaking skills and, more importantly, in the advice she would give about boys.

I'm surprised at how rude the girls are about the men who contact them. Fundy Christian version of Heathers? (or Mean Girls, depending which generation you belong to.)

[TinyDancer87]

They said to never, ever take advice from your friends, just your parents. Yeah, totally normal there...

And the point of having friends would be? It seems like noting more than a way to prove how holy you are amongst your inferiors.

I didn't hear them say "never, ever take advice from your friends". They actually said you could, but at the end of the day your parent's have the last say, so to speak.

The girls are so hard to listen to. It sounds like they never swallow their saliva, and with the constant AAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNDDDDDD's, I get lost.

I wouldn't pay to go to a conference like that. They have absolutely no credibility. When one of the girls was talking about how communication with the parents will carry over into their marriage, I thought, "How in the world do they know?! They don't even have a boyfriend!" BTW, there are somethings that I would NEVER tell my parents, but I feel perfectly comfertable talking to my husband about it. So figure that out J'Slaves!

Oh also, I hated the part where they mocked their fans for the love notes. Wow. There is NO humility at all. I felt bad for the men who might be listening to the recordings. I hope they muttered "Bitch" underneath their breaths. :) But still, Duggars- don't mock your fans... especially infront of other fans... it makes you look self-righteous and foolish. Don't bite the hand that feeds you!

[donks]

I imagine the Boob and Mullet read the creepy letters aloud to the whole family as a way of keeping the kids scared of the real world.

Not everyone out here is creepy and weird, but if they filter the mail and ONLY read the creepy ones to their captive audience, it 'proves' their way is the best way-the safest way. It ensures no one wanders from the cult.

[JenniferJuniper]

Oh also, I hated the part where they mocked their fans for the love notes. Wow. There is NO humility at all. I felt bad for the men who might be listening to the recordings. I hope they muttered "Bitch" underneath their breaths. :) But still, Duggars- don't mock your fans... especially infront of other fans... it makes you look self-righteous and foolish. Don't bite the hand that feeds you!

Any guy who writes to these young women is apt to have a few screws loose. However, it goes with being on TV for years; people have watched them grow up on the show and some believe they actually know them. It's the down side to being celebrities, albeit B list celebrities bordering on C and heading towards D.

You think they'd have been taught to be a bit more charitable towards these poor fellows who are never going to be allowed near them anyway. But as someone above said, their parents probably want them to believe all men outside their warped little circle are murderers and stalkers. And so they'll sit tight and wait for Prince Charming to hop out of some fundie fairytale book.

But just remember, Duggar women, in your world, Brother Josh is considered a pretty good catch.

[Guest LilaFowler]

I hate their "ummmms."

Sadly, reading those letters probably gives them a thrill and flatter them in a way, since that's the only contact from boys/men that they get.

[lilwriter85]

I didn't hear them say "never, ever take advice from your friends". They actually said you could, but at the end of the day your parent's have the last say, so to speak.

The girls are so hard to listen to. It sounds like they never swallow their saliva, and with the constant AAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNDDDDDD's, I get lost.

I wouldn't pay to go to a conference like that. They have absolutely no credibility. When one of the girls was talking about how communication with the parents will carry over into their marriage, I thought, "How in the world do they know?! They don't even have a boyfriend!" BTW, there are somethings that I would NEVER tell my parents, but I feel perfectly comfertable talking to my husband about it. So figure that out J'Slaves!

Oh also, I hated the part where they mocked their fans for the love notes. Wow. There is NO humility at all. I felt bad for the men who might be listening to the recordings. I hope they muttered "Bitch" underneath their breaths. :) But still, Duggars- don't mock your fans... especially infront of other fans... it makes you look self-righteous and foolish. Don't bite the hand that feeds you!

I agree they have no credibility on the subjects they are discussing and it is ridiculous that people pay to go to those bullshit conferences. The J'Slaves have Sarah Mally type egos. They think they have credibility because they observe their parents. People can learn about relationships and communication by observing couples, but that still doesn't give them completely credibility on those subjects subject. Boob and Mullet are just one couple and the J'Slaves are dumb to think they can learn everything based on their parents' relationships.

I agree with you on how they mocked their fans. If they continue having that attitude about their fans, it will bite them in their asses one day. Someday some of the diehard fans might show to conference or some other event to see the Duggars speak. If the girls have that mocking attitude, I hope they get heckled. The Duggars do bite the hands that feed them all the time. Don't forget the time SmugJill bragged on the show about how her parents allow their kids to live at home after age 18, while "most parents kick their kids out to go to college." That was a bullshit statement from Jill and she probably didn't realize that was shitting on some of the viewers who likely have allowed their kids to live at home after age 18 or high school graduation. Mullet, Boob, Smuggar, Anna, Jessa, Jinger, and Josiah have also shitted on viewers with some of the stuff they say about "average or smaller families". Part of the Duggars' viewership comes from smaller families, they shouldn't be shitting on those people.

[Jessica]

Public speaking skills aside, those stories about their proposals are pretty funny.