Esther Shrader (Anna Duggar's sister) living in a pop up

[FloraDoraDolly]

If they were serious, one could work day shift and one could work second or graveyard shift...

That's what my parents did. They couldn't make it on one income during the first years of their marriage, so Dad worked days and Mom worked nights.

Another idea... Send the kids to live with extended family members. I doubt anyone could take all of them (another downside to having a Quiverfull), so they will have to be separated from each other as well as from their parents. But at least they'll have a roof over their heads and food in their bellies while the parents get themselves back on their feet.

[sassyNoz47]

If they were serious, one could work day shift and one could work second or graveyard shift...

exactly this... even they could both work fast food making it clear up front it has to be different shifts. Its better then nothing, hotels are always looking for maids and night desk people that could also be a option. I would be totally freaking out right now if I were them.

[Witsec7]

exactly this... even they could both work fast food making it clear up front it has to be different shifts. Its better then nothing, hotels are always looking for maids and night desk people that could also be a option. I would be totally freaking out right now if I were them.

They would probably lose out to the few openings there are to adults with HS diplomas and teenagers with experience. It's a tough market in OR, I can't get a job as a hotel maid at a Holiday in because I don't have experience. And I have a stable work history.

riffle

[Wolfie]

That's what my parents did. They couldn't make it on one income during the first years of their marriage, so Dad worked days and Mom worked nights.

I know families who do this so that mom has a job to go back to once the kid(s) are in school. In some professional fields you can work part time at night. Then when the kids are back in school they have enough tenure that they can choose and move to daytime positions.

And it is great to be able to not have the kids in daycare- but they're such dunces right now that they'd rather hurt the kids.

[Wolfie]

It's not built yet, they don't have one, they live in bumfuck.

Heck, I don't even live in bumfuck, and the closest walmart is an hour away. (I have lived in bumfuck before, and the closest walmart was only slightly closer)

[Witsec7]

Heck, I don't even live in bumfuck, and the closest walmart is an hour away. (I have lived in bumfuck before, and the closest walmart was only slightly closer)

Everyone here is giving good suggestions. The fact is these asswipes picked an area that even in the best of times doesn't have a lot of jobs or a large service economy. The fact that they are uneducated, unskilled with no work history totally eliminates them from the small bit of work available. Heck even if it were pear or apple season they'd probably wipe out the first day if they could get hired.

[DarkAnts]

Heck, I don't even live in bumfuck, and the closest walmart is an hour away. (I have lived in bumfuck before, and the closest walmart was only slightly closer)

The Dalls has a walmart, walgreens, safeway, grocery outlet, cash and carry exc. They are not in the middle of nowhere. They are in a beautiful part of oregon next to the columbia river. I-84 goes eight next to it so there is lots of traffic through the town.

I will point out that walmart will not hire anyone. They will not hire me but I have a masters degree in chemistry. It goes against their company policy because they know I will leave as soon as I get a job in my degree field. It may be different for people with a BA in english.

[Elle]

He took a ministry job in an area of Oregon that really has nothing but seasonal jobs so he could preach. There literally is no work out that way. She's not gonna get hired as a waitress, and perhaps doesn't even have a chance as a motel maid. Hood River may have seasonal jobs, but there are wind rats that take them at minimum wage so they can be on the river when they are not working. Neither would or could work in one of Hood River's brew pubs. I don't think he has any job skills. There may be field work, but apples and pears don't come in until late summer and fall. At minimum wage for the number of folks in their family they could qualify for a child care subsidy if there are openings. He certainly couldn't work in the woods. They're not going to apply for FS since at some point social services would find they were living in substandard housing and place them in a real house. Nah these folks are screwed and they screwed their kids.

A childcare subsidy doesn't cover 100%. It'll cover a certain percent per child, but, IF they could find childcare for SEVEN kids, their portion would most likely be more than a minimum wage salary. Minimum wage is about $1300 a month, before any taxes. The subsidy system wasn't set up with large families who won't stop having kids in mind, and the system just doesn't have the money to pay in full for childcare, and since there isn't individual discretion allowed for the sake of fairness, any rules that could be changed to allow families like her to get 100% subsidized childcare would apply across the board. The system is already so taxed that the Medicaid system for even disabled adults with current medical needs is on a lottery system just to get an application.

They picked a bad state to move to, and a bad area. They picked a state that is cash-strapped rather than further raise already-very-high income taxes and property taxes, and an area that has little work aside from seasonal.

[Childless]

The Dalls has a walmart, walgreens, safeway, grocery outlet, cash and carry exc. They are not in the middle of nowhere. They are in a beautiful part of oregon next to the columbia river. I-84 goes eight next to it so there is lots of traffic through the town.

I will point out that walmart will not hire anyone. They will not hire me but I have a masters degree in chemistry. It goes against their company policy because they know I will leave as soon as I get a job in my degree field. It may be different for people with a BA in english.

Just don't tell them you have a college degree. Or do they do some kind of back ground check where they can find the information?

[DarkAnts]

A childcare subsidy doesn't cover 100%. It'll cover a certain percent per child, but, IF they could find childcare for SEVEN kids, their portion would most likely be more than a minimum wage salary. Minimum wage is about $1300 a month, before any taxes. The subsidy system wasn't set up with large families who won't stop having kids in mind, and the system just doesn't have the money to pay in full for childcare, and since there isn't individual discretion allowed for the sake of fairness, any rules that could be changed to allow families like her to get 100% subsidized childcare would apply across the board. The system is already so taxed that the Medicaid system for even disabled adults with current medical needs is on a lottery system just to get an application.

They picked a bad state to move to, and a bad area. They picked a state that is cash-strapped rather than further raise already-very-high income taxes and property taxes, and an area that has little work aside from seasonal.

That is true. Oregon is the hip place to move so general labor jobs are scares and the state is still recovering from the .com crash. I remember whole buildings going from being full of .com businesses to being empty and foreclosed.

[DarkAnts]

Just don't tell them you have a college degree. Or do they do some kind of back ground check where they can find the information?

They do a background check.

[Elle]

I wasn't thinking she'd bring all seven kids with her. Some of them are school age certainly and could be enrolled in the local elementary school. Besides, with dad out of work, he should be able to stay home with most of the kids.

OUugQoxS8_o

So putting the kids in school won't work right now. As it is, because it's summer, there are a LOT of parents who rely on their kids being in school so they can work who are having to find child care, meaning there are more parents who will be paying, so fewer free babysitters.

[Childless]

A childcare subsidy doesn't cover 100%. It'll cover a certain percent per child, but, IF they could find childcare for SEVEN kids, their portion would most likely be more than a minimum wage salary. Minimum wage is about $1300 a month, before any taxes. The subsidy system wasn't set up with large families who won't stop having kids in mind, and the system just doesn't have the money to pay in full for childcare, and since there isn't individual discretion allowed for the sake of fairness, any rules that could be changed to allow families like her to get 100% subsidized childcare would apply across the board. The system is already so taxed that the Medicaid system for even disabled adults with current medical needs is on a lottery system just to get an application.

They picked a bad state to move to, and a bad area. They picked a state that is cash-strapped rather than further raise already-very-high income taxes and property taxes, and an area that has little work aside from seasonal.

They moved to Oregon from Texas. They could alway move back. I hear Texas is actually doing half way decent employment wise. Or they could move to North Dakota which has plenty of jobs (after all, they moved to Oregon on a whim). It would definitely be in their childrens' best interest.

[Witsec7]

A childcare subsidy doesn't cover 100%. It'll cover a certain percent per child, but, IF they could find childcare for SEVEN kids, their portion would most likely be more than a minimum wage salary. Minimum wage is about $1300 a month, before any taxes. The subsidy system wasn't set up with large families who won't stop having kids in mind, and the system just doesn't have the money to pay in full for childcare, and since there isn't individual discretion allowed for the sake of fairness, any rules that could be changed to allow families like her to get 100% subsidized childcare would apply across the board. The system is already so taxed that the Medicaid system for even disabled adults with current medical needs is on a lottery system just to get an application.

They picked a bad state to move to, and a bad area. They picked a state that is cash-strapped rather than further raise already-very-high income taxes and property taxes, and an area that has little work aside from seasonal.

Currently minimum wage is $8.80 because of the way our state workers comp is calculated (and how its regulated) and other state taxes, employers save on working employees less than full time when it comes to minimum wage positions. Typical hours for min. wage emps. max out at 30. I would think they would do better with Head Start but that's ebil and socialist. Fact is they have screwed themselves. Thats not to say some they won't get bailed out by family and friends. As I've said, in an area with high unemployment, and few opportunities for experienced workers its unlikely they could get jobs. They don't have HS degrees or real world work experience. A kid who is in HS and worked fast food for a year has a better chance on getting a job at Mickey D's than they do.

To the OP, I wasn't aware that the Wallmart was completed.

[tabitha2]

Point is those two could get secure jobs where you can move ahead and learn useful skills if you work hard and show some initiative at Wally world

[Elle]

All 7 of those children are daycare age? Really? I just assumed the oldest 2 would be old enough to go to school, which would solve the problem of figuring out what to do with at least a couple of the children while the parents work.

Does anyone know the ages of the children?

Even IF the oldest two are school-aged, and even IF it wasn't summer (no school), that would still mean five spots are a daycare given to her for free in addition to paying her. The adult-infant ratio is at least one adult for every four infants, and for older children it's at least one adult for every seven children. I think toddlers is at least one for every five. In a childcare setting, unless all the kids were older, it would take more than one carer for just her children. No facility is going to pay her plus someone else to watch her own kids. That's a major net loss. At a even just $500 per kid per month (extremely low for childcare in Oregon), that would be $2500 per month worth of spots for just five of her kids, plus another $1300 or so if she got minimum wage, plus insurance and all else, that the facility would be out each month without putting even one other child under her care. It's a perk to be allowed to take one child with you, and not all facilities allow that because your own child counts in the ratio. I used to work in a licensed home daycare facility, and the owner's own teenaged grandchildren counted in the count when they were there, and since a home daycare can't have more than 14 kids at one time, her grandchildren couldn't visit even briefly when there were 14 other children there. The law is very strictly enforced.

[Childless]

OUugQoxS8_o

So putting the kids in school won't work right now. As it is, because it's summer, there are a LOT of parents who rely on their kids being in school so they can work who are having to find child care, meaning there are more parents who will be paying, so fewer free babysitters.

If she wanted to work, she'd find a way. Nothing is impossible.

[Elle]

He quit so he could minister and raise money to go on his mission.

Nope, no problems with this idea at all.... :roll:

[CrazySister]

I get wanting to be a stay at home parent, but when you can't feed your kids and they don't have a proper place to sleep (within the norms of their current society), it's time to at least pretend to be a half-way responsible adult and go job hunting and work on getting jobs working opposite shifts. I would understand the whole "God will provide" BS they spout IF THEY WERE ACTUALLY LIVING WITHIN THEIR SOCIETY'S NORMS FOR CARING FOR THEIR CHILDREN! AHHHH! This kind of thing just really pisses me off! It'd be one thing if they were living in a location where clean drinking water were scarce and a safe location for sleep is a luxury, but they're NOT! They're actively choosing not to get the help they need, not to get the jobs they so desperately need, and not use bc! Family values my ass. They have no regard for anyone older then a fetus/embryo/zygote! :angry-banghead:

[Elle]

exactly this... even they could both work fast food making it clear up front it has to be different shifts. Its better then nothing, hotels are always looking for maids and night desk people that could also be a option. I would be totally freaking out right now if I were them.

Spoken like someone who isn't familiar with The Dalles. When it's called Bumfuck, it really is. Good luck finding much of anything anything open graveyard. Good luck finding anyone willing to hire a woman whose education was SOTDRT and who has no job history over a known local who was laid off a few months ago. That's a town small enough that the locals (moving there doesn't automatically make you a local) will get the jobs. An employer will hire their longtime friend's unemployed son before someone pretty new to the area. Hotels in areas like The Dalles tend to be small enough that not much staff is needed, and again, the jobs will go to those who are natives of the town and need work. If Hubsy is applying and can't find work while having a job history, who the hell will hire someone with none?

[xReems]

John worries too much about secular music getting played and santa taking away the meaning of Christmas when he should be worried about his family and finding an actual job. This is what pisses me off about these fundies-they put EVERYTHING in God's hands and believes that He'll provide for them. There's a reason why we're provided with a brain and the ability to think for ourselves but these people don't want to believe it. Yes, the secular world is not perfect but that doesn't mean you should completely close your family out to the point where your struggling this much. It's called sacrificing--you have to accept certain things and move on from it.

Like I said with my first post, I do feel bad for them that they're struggling but they definitely put themselves in this situation and refuse to do anything about it since God will fix it for them.

[Witsec7]

I get wanting to be a stay at home parent, but when you can't feed your kids and they don't have a proper place to sleep (within the norms of their current society), it's time to at least pretend to be a half-way responsible adult and go job hunting and work on getting jobs working opposite shifts. I would understand the whole "God will provide" BS they spout IF THEY WERE ACTUALLY LIVING WITHIN THEIR SOCIETY'S NORMS FOR CARING FOR THEIR CHILDREN! AHHHH! This kind of thing just really pisses me off! It'd be one thing if they were living in a location where clean drinking water were scarce and a safe location for sleep is a luxury, but they're NOT! They're actively choosing not to get the help they need, not to get the jobs they so desperately need, and not use bc! Family values my ass. They have no regard for anyone older then a fetus/embryo/zygote! :angry-banghead:

This is the crux of the matter. But he's not gonna give up his ministry. He was whining on facebook about having 55 hr weeks between his ministry and his job.

[emmiedahl]

A childcare subsidy doesn't cover 100%. It'll cover a certain percent per child, but, IF they could find childcare for SEVEN kids, their portion would most likely be more than a minimum wage salary. Minimum wage is about $1300 a month, before any taxes. The subsidy system wasn't set up with large families who won't stop having kids in mind, and the system just doesn't have the money to pay in full for childcare, and since there isn't individual discretion allowed for the sake of fairness, any rules that could be changed to allow families like her to get 100% subsidized childcare would apply across the board. The system is already so taxed that the Medicaid system for even disabled adults with current medical needs is on a lottery system just to get an application.

They picked a bad state to move to, and a bad area. They picked a state that is cash-strapped rather than further raise already-very-high income taxes and property taxes, and an area that has little work aside from seasonal.

In a child care subsidy, usually you are assigned an amount to pay that is a certain percentage of your income, and then the state pays everything else.

[Elle]

If she wanted to work, she'd find a way. Nothing is impossible.

There is only so much in any one person's control. What they need to do is to take up a collection and get the hell out of that area. You don't move to an economically depressed small town in an already-struggling state and expect to be hired over long-time locals and natives who are out of work and who can put down where they went to school (home-schooling is acceptable in some cases) and what jobs they've had. Employers in small Oregon towns WILL hire who they know who needs a job first. Want to know how I know? When the economy was better, I spent three years searching for a job, and learned that it's who you know more than what you know. I had to move out of the state to get a job. I'm back now, and many of my friends with really strong job histories, some with college, all with high school diplomas, are having difficulty finding jobs. And just driving somewhere else isn't a very good option when gas is so fucking expensive. We paid $4.69 per gallon a couple days ago. Gas is painful for us, and we have more resources at our disposal than the Shraders.

They could hardly have chosen a worse place to move. Even if they had high school diplomas, everything is against both of them in that area.

They need to take up a collection and go back to Texas. Even North Dakota is a good idea. They won't freeze to death right now, so there's plenty of time to get work and get into a home, even a rental, and ND is so hard-up that employers are reaching out to people in other states trying to attract desperately-needed employees. What ND has going against it is one of the coldest winters in the US.

[xReems]

Remember, this is the same guy who had a post on how proud he was when his older daughter yelled "Thief" when she saw Santa since he's taken away the real meaning of Christmas. If I recall, he also posted on why people put up a tree and lights during the holidays and how women these days are not dressing in a feminine fashion. Oh yes, because the second a woman puts on a pair of pants, people will assume she has a penis.