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I've got VF's next big money-making event planned:

You do it 20,000 times a day, seven days a week and fifty-two weeks a year. If you live to be 85 years of age, you will experience it more times than our SOTDRT minds can calculate. It is called breathing, and it was designed by God as the fuel of life. But to describe air merely as fuel falls short of the depth and breadth (and breath - get it?) of the biblical message. Frankly, there are few subjects which are addressed as often in the Bible as air. Hundreds, if not thousands of Scripture verses, incorporate various types of people who breathe, directions about breathing and spiritual lessons in which air is an element.

In air we see the love of Jesus Christ for His Church, the wisdom of God as Creator, the mercy of the Lord on the sons of men, and a vehicle for structuring and organizing the life and dominion labors of mankind.

Discussion Topics Include:

Breathing as Family Culture

The Theology of Inhaling and Exhaling

The Politicization of Air – Obama's Socialist Plan to Share Your Air

Being a Manly Headship – taking Dominion over Your Family's Air

Air Frugality

The Art of Offering Air to Guests

Informed Stewardship of the Lungs

Asthma as God's Punishment for Apostasy

Dominion over plants – make them work for that carbon dioxide

The Heresy of OxyClean

Nose or Mouth – Which is More Godly?

Balloons – A Sin?

Panting – DEFINITELY a Sin!

And Many More!

Speakers Include:

Terry McMillan (author of Waiting to Exhale)

Louis C. Camilleri (CEO of Philip Morris)

Former members of Aum Shinrikyo

Doug Phillips

And Many More!

Special Highlights Include:

Special Ladies’ breathing session (Victorian costumes, with corsets, required) – learn to sigh piteously

Performances by Air Supply

Daughters trimming their fathers' nose hair

FABulous Vendors

And Much More!

Don't breathe until you've learned how to make it Godly, and paid us thousands of dollars to find out how!

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Modern Orthodoxy does the former, not the latter, meaning that many Modern Orthodox Jews are not, in your own definition, fundie. The whole idea that separates Modern Orthodoxy from other strains of Orthodoxy is that it values secular ideas for their own sake. In other strains of Orthodoxy people study (or at least would study, my knowledge comes from the 19th century by and large) secular subjects, but only for the sake of supporting themselves or to help them understand the Talmud better, but did not value secularism for its own sake. But there's a reason that the motto of Yeshiva University is Torah Umadda -- Torah and secular knowledge.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of fundamentalist Jews, don't get me fucking started on these people, because they are batshit crazy and deserve no excuses for their fundamentalist bullshit. Fundies can and do come in all religions. But not all Orthodox Jews are fundamentalist.

I admit to using a looser definition of "fundie" than we typically see around here. For instance, I consider most evangelicals "fundie," even ones that don't quite fit the description. For me, "fundie" means making everything in life about religion, with almost no ability to enjoy secular life for its own sake. I don't know if all Orthodox Jews fit the description, but for those who base their entire life around religion, whose lives are centered around rules, rituals, prayers, and prohibitions that have a significant impact on every aspect of their day, then I would consider that "fundie." If I had to put some kind of dividing line, it would be people who adhere to strict rules all the time, never breaking them, vs. people who are more flexible with religion, who don't think about it and follow every rule to the letter every second of every day.

[treemom]

I admit to using a looser definition of "fundie" than we typically see around here. For instance, I consider most evangelicals "fundie," even ones that don't quite fit the description. For me, "fundie" means making everything in life about religion, with almost no ability to enjoy secular life for its own sake. I don't know if all Orthodox Jews fit the description, but for those who base their entire life around religion, whose lives are centered around rules, rituals, prayers, and prohibitions that have a significant impact on every aspect of their day, then I would consider that "fundie." If I had to put some kind of dividing line, it would be people who adhere to strict rules all the time, never breaking them, vs. people who are more flexible with religion, who don't think about it and follow every rule to the letter every second of every day.

I go by the idea if it is a religious belief that requires viewing a religious text as fundamental to life. Usually with Christians this comes hand and hand with literalism.