Women may use rape as an excuse for abortion?! WTF

[Three and Done]

I just read this on Huff Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/2 ... 66994.html

I HAVE NO WORDS.

TIME FOR RUM, THEN PERHAPS I CAN BE COHERENT :angry-cussingblack: :angry-screaming:

[Maude]

There are no words (that would not be censored on daytime television).

(Edited to be more zen. I'm not a horrible person who wishes harm on others, but these kinds of things make me angry).

[debrand]

Winder, a Republican from Boise, responded to those concerns by raising the question of whether women understand when they have been raped.

“Rape and incest was used as a reason to oppose this," Winder said on the Senate floor. "I would hope that when a woman goes in to a physician with a rape issue, that physician will indeed ask her about perhaps her marriage, was this pregnancy caused by normal relations in a marriage or was it truly caused by a rape. I assume that's part of the counseling that goes on.â€

:shock: I don't even know how to respond to this comment. Is he saying that women don't know if they've been raped or not? Surely, everyone accepts that women can be raped by their husbands.

[Lillybee]

Every day another arrow is shot in the war against women.

[GeoBQn]

Sadly, there are people who believe there is no such thing as marital rape. They think by getting married, a woman automatically consents to every possible sex act ever with her husband.

[FJismyheadship]

Dear dumb asses. The definition of rape is A SEXUAL ACT FORCED ON ANOTHER PERSON AGAINST THEIR WILL!!. THEREFORE if a man FORCES his wife to have sex with her IT FALLS UNDER THE DEFINITION OF RAPE!!!!

[Gizmola]

Seriously, what is going on in this country? How can anyone with half a brain and any kind of conscience vote yes on these misogynistic bills? I am not one for conspiracy theories, but I truly believe the GOP and the Tea Partiers (grrrr) and the evangelicals are really trying to move the country back to the '50's. Why the 50's? White men are in charge, in power and for quite a long time that power was unchallenged. Women were either madonnas or whores; yet, in either case, their main goal in life was to serve men. Minorities were, for the most part, in subservient roles and their status in society was certainly secondary to that of white men. The white men made the money, made the policy and made the decisions. They reigned supreme.

Then the pesky Civil Rights movement and Women's Lib came and shook up the foundation of their perceived superiority. Women got the Pill, got jobs and realized there was something more to life than waiting to get that Mrs. and a baby. Women started to challenge men on college campuses, in the workplace and refused to back down. Minorities demanded equality and legal protection. Women even started to realize that having a child wasn't dependent on having a husband. Minorities celebrated their culture instead of adopting the white man's culture, thereby lessening the stronghold of only one "American" culture. With great speed from at least 1960 onward, the white man's exclusive hold on power has and is continuing to diminish. And they are scared because they realize that the minorities and women out number them.

What to do? Demonize. The minorities become the illegal immigrants with their anchor babies, welfare queens in the ghetto, homeboys doing drive bys, Islamists trying to destroy America in every mosque, everyone refusing to speak english and expecting America to be inclusive of their culture, feminazis are sluts running around expecting drive-thru abortions, and all of these people are united in their desire to turn America into a socialist nation where success is punished, Godlessness prevails, heathens and homosexuals indoctrinate children and where Grandma is put to death on Obama's orders because he's a secret Muslim agent, non-American who wants to ration our healthcare.

The bottom line? White men no longer feel secure and instead of coming up with good ideas that support and elevate America and propell her into the 21st century, they cling to a past long gone when they were kings. Unfortunately, they represent a greater portion of those in political power and they are determined to retain it at any cost. If that means building fences along the border, cutting govt programs, limiting reproductive choice and doing everything they can to scare the average American into believing that all these demonic people listed below are coming for them.

The sad part is, a lot of these Tea Baggers and their ilk - the ones who feel dispossessed because their $300,000 house is worth $100,000 now, their job is either gone or downsized enough that they do twice the work for 1/2 the money, they feel no lessening of the stress of making ends meet and either they hate everyone else for the lot they have in life or they still have a well paying job with insurance, a house that's retained it's value and therefore believe if they can, everyone can. So they warm to the idea that they are special, more American, better. And they listen to men who look like them and talk about how special they are for being "real" Americans, the "Joe Six Pack/Plumber," etc. guy.

They're organized, they play on fears and prejudices and they are gaining power at an alarming rate. They fucking scare me because I don't think they'll stop until they have all of us back under their thumb.

[Witsec1]

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[ladypuglover]

My first born son was less than a week old when my ex-husband demanded and took his marital rights. If that wasn't rape, then I don't know what rape is. The damage to my body was as much as if a stranger had done it, but it couldn't be rape since I was married to him? Was having a wedding ring somehow to prevent the damage to my nether regions? Were vows of love, respect and honor supposed to heal me? I don't have to prove that I screamed, cried and begged him not to, I know and any doctor who looks done there knows that I was rapped, against my will to have sex and will forever more carry the scars inside and out. When these ....... when these men can begine to know what and every single woman on the planet can and have gone through because of men then they can decide what goes on with my body. By doing this they are raping woman like me and millions of others over again and again.

Plain and simple and not hard to say or understand, MY BODY, MY RIGHT.

[galaxygirl]

Sadly, there are people who believe there is no such thing as marital rape. They think by getting married, a woman automatically consents to every possible sex act ever with her husband.

Wasn't marital rape legal until the 1990's? Which, yeah :shock:

[Maude]

So sorry that happened to you, ladypuglover. :( This whole situation with the GOP just makes me so sad and angry. If ever there was an election to get out in vote, this one is it.

[Three and Done]

Gizmola - Very well written post. Thank you!

ladypuglover - I am SO sorry to hear what happened to you. How awful :cry:

It seems these old, white men are damn determined to perpetrate additonal assaults on women.

[Beammeup]

Pretty sure I can judge the difference between consensual sex with my husband the person of my choosing and being raped. If I say I'm raped, I demand that medical staff believe me, and ask are you sure? If it was your husband are you really sure?

ladypuglover, I am so very sorry that happened to you. No means no.

[Boltingmadonna]

This ass clearly subscribes to the view that all women exist in a permanent state of consent. Our whole purpose for existing is to provide sex for men. So a woman has to prove she didn't consent, rather than the rapist having to prove she did. And having the tiny ladybrains that we do, we are not really competent to decide such matters anyway, so we need a man to tell us if we really consented or not.

Agree that was an excellent comment, Gizmola. Also agree that I am so very sorry that happened to you, ladypuglover. Of all the times when you should have been treated with the utmost respect and consideration! Certain people need to get it through their heads that they do not own us, and there is no form of contract that can say they do. Marriage is not a license for one man to own one woman.

[Nothing2CHere]

Gizmola - Very well written post. Thank you!

ladypuglover - I am SO sorry to hear what happened to you. How awful :cry:

It seems these old, white men are damn determined to perpetrate additonal assaults on women.

Seconding all of this, and ladypuglover, *hugs* to you - I just can't imagine.

[elliesmash]

Ladypuglover, I am so sorry that happened to you. Reading your comment made me so furious I don't even know what to say, except that I'm so sorry.

[ems]

Surely you'e been on fj long enough to know that sadly not everyone does :(.

And "normal relations within a marriage?" Yeah, in a normal marriage a man doesn't force sex upon his wife.

The one thing I will say is that if one believes that life begins at conception, then that holds for lives conceived by rape too. BUT BUT BUT I've noticed that none of these people clamoring for forbidding abortion even in the case of rape/incest ever talk about lifting a single finger to make sure those raped pregnant women have counseling. It's the lack of empathy factor that really blows my mind. Would they like to be raped and then carry and birth their rapist's child??

[ems]

My first born son was less than a week old when my ex-husband demanded and took his marital rights. If that wasn't rape, then I don't know what rape is. The damage to my body was as much as if a stranger had done it, but it couldn't be rape since I was married to him? Was having a wedding ring somehow to prevent the damage to my nether regions? Were vows of love, respect and honor supposed to heal me? I don't have to prove that I screamed, cried and begged him not to, I know and any doctor who looks done there knows that I was rapped, against my will to have sex and will forever more carry the scars inside and out. When these ....... when these men can begine to know what and every single woman on the planet can and have gone through because of men then they can decide what goes on with my body. By doing this they are raping woman like me and millions of others over again and again.

Plain and simple and not hard to say or understand, MY BODY, MY RIGHT.

Wow, I'm so sorry. :(

[ems]

Marriage is not a license for one man to own one woman.

This.

[Minerva]

Winder, a Republican from Boise, responded to those concerns by raising the question of whether women understand when they have been raped.

“Rape and incest was used as a reason to oppose this," Winder said on the Senate floor. "I would hope that when a woman goes in to a physician with a rape issue, that physician will indeed ask her about perhaps her marriage, was this pregnancy caused by normal relations in a marriage or was it truly caused by a rape. I assume that's part of the counseling that goes on.â€

How is that not the most condescending thing ever? What is it about Winder that makes him more qualified than a woman to know whether or not she's been raped? What century does he think he's living in to not know that marital rape exists?

This whole thing is ridiculous because women lying about rape is not a problem. Rape has the lowest false reporting rate of almost any crime, and by assuming that it will even be an issue they are actively making things worse for all survivors, not just the ones having ebil abortions.

Edited to make my last sentence longer and more outraged.

[YPestis]

Martial rape is still a relatively new concept. In other parts of the world, it is not criminalized. Sadly, even in this country, some fundies still can't get their head around the idea that marriage doesn't equate to sex on the demand from the female. Interestingly, if you ask most people whether a man can be abusive and beat their wives, most people would say 'yes' and agree that should be illegal. Somehow, when it comes to martial rape, people are less willing to believe a woman could not give consent to sex during marriage....

[OohLaLa]

I have nothing more to contribute other than my jaw drop and eyes about bugged out of my head when reading the concerns that women don't understand when they've been RAPED. Jesus christ, I'm shaking, that makes me so upset.

[Arielkay]

What amazes me is that so few people seem to know what these assholes are saying. If I were to ask most people - most of them conservative Republicans around here - if they knew what their supposed representatives were saying, they wouldn't have a clue. Or there would be some excuse thrown out - "like, it's the liberal media, you know, they lie about everything." It burns me up. Yet if anything this insane was said by a Democrat, you can damn sure bet it would be all over Fox News. They'd have a field day. But with these guys? They can literally say ANYTHING and believe ANYTHING and people seem to let it slide like water off their backs. Next thing you know they'll say something like "oh, well, we really should get those gas chambers back. Such an economical way to take care of those uppity women, minorities, etc. It would surely make the world a much more moral place."

I know you shouldn't compare everyone to Hitler. But really - with all that's been said recently? No abortion - make women go thru hell and shame her for getting one - but let men totally off the hook. No birth control to prevent abortions either. Rape is okay, cause all women want it, and those who accuse are just making it up. Incest is fine too - all women belong to men, even if said man happens to be a relative. Men - or at least white men - reign supreme. It's sickening, just sickening. I feel like we are heading down a very dark path - AND MOST PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA. That's most frightening of all.

[Swamptribe]

I just read this on Huff Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/2 ... 66994.html

I HAVE NO WORDS.

TIME FOR RUM, THEN PERHAPS I CAN BE COHERENT :angry-cussingblack: :angry-screaming:

Try tequila, tequila is the drink of outlaws and soon, they are outlaw our being independent, self-sufficient adult women.

[Trynn]

I have nothing more to contribute other than my jaw drop and eyes about bugged out of my head when reading the concerns that women don't understand when they've been RAPED. Jesus christ, I'm shaking, that makes me so upset.

The ONLY way I could see this being true is, when talking with my friends, one of them actually asked me whether I thought she'd been raped. In such cases, yes, someone, preferably a counselor, needs to sit down with these people and tell them that unwanted sex=rape, it is never the victim's fault, etc. At least, that's where I thought he was going with that logic, until the topic of marriage was brought up...then I was like, wtf?