MS GOP have gone off the deep end.

[muffynbear]

Mississippi GOP Passes Anti-Abortion Bill With Heartbeat, Transvaginal Ultrasounds, Personhood, And Anti-Contraception Measures

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/16 ... -measures/

Mississippi Republicans are once again waging war against women. The anti-abortion forces in Mississippi won passage of a bill in the state House on Wednesday that would effectively ban abortions after the detection of a fetal heartbeat, which is after approximately six weeks of pregnancy, and defines life as beginning at conception, which would ban many forms of contraception. The bill may also require doctors to use transvaginal ultrasounds. It’s basically a four-in-one abortion bill.

This bill forces women to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, which is a violation of privacy and personal liberty. And the bill forces women who are raped to prove that they were indeed raped. So what happens if the women is denied because a Republican doesn’t believe her or the police report? In the past couple years, Republicans have made an effort to redefine rape and refer to women as accusers instead of as victims. It would be only too easy to deny this particular exemption. But that’s not all. Women also may have to be raped by the state in order to get an abortion. In order to determine if a fetal heartbeat is occurring earlier than six weeks, a doctor would have no other choice but to perform a transvaginal ultrasound, which is state sanctioned rape, thus humiliating women. According to the Hattiesburg American,

[Childless]

One of many reasons that I will never live in Mississippi.

[Witsec7]

The race to the bottom continues and Mississippi is still in the lead.

[lilwriter85]

I had a college classmate from Mississippi and she said a few times that she would never move back there unless her parents needed her.

[debrand]

My husband and I were discussing this last night. How can a mass of cells, without a fully formed brain, be more important than a woman's rights?

One of the arguments used on Catholic Answers' Forum was that the fetus was human and alive. The poster that used that argument thought it was a slam dunk that no one could defeat. The problem is that sperm and egg are both alive, yet we don't try to save every sperm or get upset over a woman's period. Every cell in our body is human too. We undertand that a fully formed, working brain is needed to conclude sa thing is sapient.

[dairyfreelife]

The thing about the alive nonsense is that many things are "alive" or are living and these people most likely don't have an issue with killing them or letting them die. Cows, chickens, ducks, pigs, fish, etc. are all living and we kill them for food all the time. I bet most of the people eat these animals without a second thought that it was once living. Plants are alive and we don't get all upset if one is killed. Should we start making laws against killing any insect in the house, even poisonous spiders and creatures, because they are alive. If doesn't matter if the brown recluse or timber rattlesnake are a danger to me, they are living and therefore I can't kill them. It's better I lost a foot or hand or end up dead than to kill them. They are alive and it's wrong to kill them. I must keep animals from my plants and never do anything that might end up killing it. They are alive. No more meat for anyone. Animals are living so we can't kill them for any reason, even if we're starving to death or going crazy from lack of B12 because supplements to prevent deficiency are also banned.

Fuck all these people who want to ban my contraceptives and force me to carry a child to term no matter what, even at the risk of my own life. I'm thankful to have never been raped, but the thoughts of having to prove it and then still maybe not allowed to have one is just awful. I don't even want to imagine how horrible that would be and rape is horrible enough.

[Braggnation]

having kids and having one die changes your perspective. at least for me. i WAS pro-choice now, no way. it IS a life and its NOT MY body, its the kids. you can't chose to kill of something that isn't yours to begin with.

[BlueChair]

having kids and having one die changes your perspective. at least for me. i WAS pro-choice now, no way. it IS a life and its NOT MY body, its the kids. you can't chose to kill of something that isn't yours to begin with.

I'm sorry for your loss, but many women lose young children (such as my own mother) and experience no such pro-life conversion. I'm also not sure what this has to do with the MS legislation.

[debrand]

having kids and having one die changes your perspective. at least for me. i WAS pro-choice now, no way. it IS a life and its NOT MY body, its the kids. you can't chose to kill of something that isn't yours to begin with.

I am sorry for your loss also.

My first pregnancy ended in a miscarriage and when I first discovered that I was pregnant with my oldest son, I considered abortion. Although I decided to go through with the pregnancy, I am still thankful that I had the choice.

[Braggnation]

I'm sorry for your loss, but many women lose young children (such as my own mother) and experience no such pro-life conversion. I'm also not sure what this has to do with the MS legislation.

I guess I should have added I agree with the MS legislation. I hope abortion is outlawed. and that was my reason why.

[Witsec1]

Braggnation, I'm sorry for your loss, but why are you against rape victims getting Plan B contraception, for example?

Why would you want a mom who already has kids to care for, be forced to carry another pregnancy to term even if it would endanger her health? Don't her already existing kids have a right to a healthy mom?

[longskirtlotsakids]

having kids and having one die changes your perspective. at least for me. i WAS pro-choice now, no way. it IS a life and its NOT MY body, its the kids. you can't chose to kill of something that isn't yours to begin with.

It may change your perspective, but it didn;t change my position. I have had umpteen miscarriages, births, and a stillbirth that blinded me and almost killed me. I am a mother, I guard my children fiercly and raise them with only their best interest in mind. However, I am, and always will be, pro-choice. Some of my living children are girls and them being able to make informed choices about their body is a right I will die fighting for them to keep,

[Braggnation]

Braggnation, I'm sorry for your loss, but why are you against rape victims getting Plan B contraception, for example?

Why would you want a mom who already has kids to care for, be forced to carry another pregnancy to term even if it would endanger her health? Don't her already existing kids have a right to a healthy mom?

rape--I just think IMHO that the rape victim is going to be screwed up, no matter what. Why kill the innocent human. That kid could make a childless person very happy. Why not have some good come out of it? No, Ive never been raped and no I can't IMAGINE carrying the rapists kid but I think in my heart I would think its the right thing to do.

health of mother-- As a mother there is NO WAY I would kill off my own baby to save myself. No matter how little the glob of cells were. I see no difference in my own child being 1 day--80 y/o old or a fetus. Its still my baby and i would die for my babies. As any mother would. So for instance if I found out if I had cancer and either I start treatment and abort baby or die. I would choose to die. The same if a truck was racing head on and my kid and I were in the way, I would die to push my kid to safety. I have options for my children to be raised by amazing people. I can't imagine me having to tell them I killed your sibling for myself.

I hope this makes sense

[Witsec7]

rape--I just think IMHO that the rape victim is going to be screwed up, no matter what. Why kill the innocent human. That kid could make a childless person very happy. Why not have some good come out of it? No, Ive never been raped and no I can't IMAGINE carrying the rapists kid but I think in my heart I would think its the right thing to do.

health of mother-- As a mother there is NO WAY I would kill off my own baby to save myself. No matter how little the glob of cells were. I see no difference in my own child being 1 day--80 y/o old or a fetus. Its still my baby and i would die for my babies. As any mother would. So for instance if I found out if I had cancer and either I start treatment and abort baby or die. I would choose to die. The same if a truck was racing head on and my kid and I were in the way, I would die to push my kid to safety. I have options for my children to be raised by amazing people. I can't imagine me having to tell them I killed your sibling for myself.

I hope this makes sense

I'm sorry for your loss bragnation, but I cannot understand how your personal loss gave you any rights over my reproductive choices. Perhaps you could explain it to me.

[Braggnation]

I guess because I don't see it as your body. i see it as the body of someone else. I don't care what you do with your body. its your body. i don't want to pay for your choices or mistakes. I'm responsible for my own body and choices. I don't want to pay for something I do not agree with

did that answer your question? I'm running very, very slow today. Coffee maker broke :o I'm in a fog.............

[Witsec7]

I guess because I don't see it as your body. i see it as the body of someone else. I don't care what you do with your body. its your body. i don't want to pay for your choices or mistakes. I'm responsible for my own body and choices. I don't want to pay for something I do not agree with

did that answer your question? I'm running very, very slow today. Coffee maker broke :o I'm in a fog.............

Since you don't see it as my body, I suggest you ante up the some money to buy me some medical insurance, or make todays run to the grocery store for me. :lol:

[meda]

I guess because I don't see it as your body. i see it as the body of someone else. I don't care what you do with your body. its your body. i don't want to pay for your choices or mistakes. I'm responsible for my own body and choices. I don't want to pay for something I do not agree with

did that answer your question? I'm running very, very slow today. Coffee maker broke :o I'm in a fog.............

Well I for one find this refreshing. Usually the anti choice folks who come here don't acknowledge their sense of entitlement and belief that their personal experiences are the cosmos until at least page 5 or 6 of a thread. They try to dress it ups little with some faux concern for women, or claim they are only following the bible. You are honest about your ignorant selfishness, and I can respect that. A little. Maybe :roll:

[debrand]

I guess because I don't see it as your body. i see it as the body of someone else. I don't care what you do with your body. its your body. i don't want to pay for your choices or mistakes. I'm responsible for my own body and choices. I don't want to pay for something I do not agree with

did that answer your question? I'm running very, very slow today. Coffee maker broke :o I'm in a fog.............

So the existence of a mass of cells without a functioning brain should trump a woman's right to make decisions for herself?

There is no way for you to ensure that a woman who does is forced to carry a baby to term will take care of her body during pregnancy. Afterwards, there is no guarentee that she will love the child. Prolifers like to point out that such women can give their children up for adoption but cases like Susan Smith and others show that not wanting a child does not always mean that a woman will give it to a couple that does want it.

edited insure to be ensure

[Guest Anonymous]

Anyone want me to break out the carpet steamer?

[Boltingmadonna]

braggnation, you had a terrible experience, and naturally it shaped how you feel about things. Let's say I had a terrible experience with a pregnancy that nearly killed me, and therefore I decide to pass a law that all women, including you, will have an IUD forcibly inserted into their uterus so they won't ever get pregnant and have the same experience I did. Would that seem reasonable to you? Why does one person's experience become so important that it determines the choices for everyone?

A fetus isn't part of my body. But my uterus, which the fetus has attached to and is inside of, IS my body. So is the rest of me and all my systems, which are being profoundly affected by the presence of a growing fetus. Every part of me belongs to me. I have a right to life, and a right to make my own decisions about what happens inside my body--just as you do.

[debrand]

Anyone want me to break out the carpet steamer?

Not yet. I think that this thread could be a great example as to why the prochoice is the only logical choice.

BECAUSE I value life, I want as few abortions to happen as possible. That means that I believe in easily available birth control, sex education at a young age, good prenatal care and help for the single mother or poor families.

I don't mind my tax dollars being spent for these things.

[Witsec7]

Anyone want me to break out the carpet steamer?

Ok I'll defer to debrand

[debrand]

It may change your perspective, but it didn;t change my position. I have had umpteen miscarriages, births, and a stillbirth that blinded me and almost killed me. I am a mother, I guard my children fiercly and raise them with only their best interest in mind. However, I am, and always will be, pro-choice. Some of my living children are girls and them being able to make informed choices about their body is a right I will die fighting for them to keep,

I am sorry that you had to go through that Longskirtslotsakids

[Alecto]

I feel a sudden guilt for approving this registration...

I've had an abortion AND lost a child. I was forced to feel guilt, to believe the loss of my child was a direct result of my abortion I had 10 years earlier because I was drugged and raped.

So kindly fuck off, okay? Don't like abortion, don't have one. Don't like abortion? Support strong sex education and social welfare.

[Guest Anonymous]

Ok I'll defer to debrand

So will I