"A woman's choice starts before she spreads her legs..."

[keeperrox]

But I do think trying to understand both sides might help us not think of the other women (whatever their stance) as the enemy.

Anyone who wants to force their moral opinion on me that, in turn, violates my rights, is acting like an enemy. I'm not sure how you can "think of it" as anything else.

[Justvisiting]

Interesting. Lots to think about, guys. Thanks.

[Dinorah]

Then don't stand in the way of birth control. And if they felt compelled to save them, shouldn't they support the mother? Honestly, if you want to reduce abortion rates, you're going to have to grant more access to birth control and maternal support. If you are unwilling to do either, you're not really about saving babies.

Exactly. If they truly believed in saving babies, wouldn't they be strongly in favour of BC and of welfare? If a human life is at stake, they should gladly pay for these things, instead of being "don't kill teh babiez!!" on one hand and "why should I pay for your pill and food stamps?!" on the other.

[JenniferJuniper]

It's estimated almost 1 in 3 women aged 15 - 64 have had an abortion in the US.

Do these nuts suggest we hire a national Uterus Police Force to investigate all terminated pregnancies and imprison any and all women they suspect did not involuntarily miscarry? So much for small government and individual liberty. And just think of all the new prisons that will need to be built.

It's beyond appalling that we're going back so far in time. These people are the American Taliban, plain and simple.

[Effie]

Not to mention, any man who has ever had a rectal exam (or hell, even had his temperature taken rectally) should just lube up and wait for penetration from the nearest wayward dick, because hell, he already consented to penetration, right? I mean, it goes both ways, of course.

My husband is from Belgium. My French is decent, but I'm seriously considering starting to learn Flemish, just in case. I don't want to move, but if this turns into a full blown The Handmaid's Tale...

I think you should start learning Flemish now. :shock: What's happening over there scares me.

[Effie]

Krs'tina M. Soller: Thank you! Sure some women see no other choice but what about the selfish women who got knocked up because they were acting stupid or because their self absorbed barbies who don't want to mess up their figures and choose to kill their child! Selfish women are who we're targeting here not all women!!! No wonder their trying to take rights away from us or power or have control over our bodies because its obvious some of us have no idea what the hell we're doing

Wow, does Kristina seriously believe pro-choice-women would force her to have an abortion? Or what is she talking about?!

I think it's safe to say that these women (Kristina and Dianne) are not the brightest crayons in the box.

[lawfulevil]

Yes, anti-choice folks, I'm sure telling my husband we can't have sex again until we're out of debt would go over well. "Sorry, honey, but we can't afford a baby and birth control is evil! It's self service only til 2015!"

[sriracha]

Found an article on Huffpo this morning about why some women are sexists. Unfortunately it does not explain why Dianne Maloy Wright needs to check into the nearest psych ward, but nonetheless:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-ch ... 42287.html

[Minerva]

Wow, does Kristina seriously believe pro-choice-women would force her to have an abortion? Or what is she talking about?!

I think it's safe to say that these women (Kristina and Dianne) are not the brightest crayons in the box.

That part confused me too! I wasn't aware that "have control over our bodies" was present in the right-wing vocabulary. I've heard conservative homebirthers complain about state interference in their birth/pregnancies, but even then it's usually about religious freedom, parenting rights, and keeping their babies safe from the evils of modern medicine - bodily autonomy seems to be absent from their discourse. Maybe there is some forced abortion conspiracy theory that I'm not aware of.

[MarsGirl]

I think it's clear that Dianne Maloy Wright does not enjoy sex.... Did she really say that people in third world countries shouldnt have sex? Is it possible that for some poor people in 3rd world countries that sex may be the only relief from their miseries?? (I know in some cases, probably, women are raped. But I'm not talking worse case scenario... Whenever I'm upset, or I've had a bad day, I cant think of anything more comforting that slipping into the arms of my bf for a little nookie... Jus' sayin'.)

[Dinorah]

"men can't get pregnant, women do, therefore just by their nature women just can't be as sexual as men." Is it so hard to understand that it's men who get the women pregnant? In this mentality, men should be considered just as slutty and as responsible for the death of innocent infants as the women. But no, instead a man can screw everything that moves and it doesn't matter if his precious babies get killed just because he can avoid dealing with the direct consequences. It's just so glaring that the issue is women's sexuality and a double standard, or not saving babies.

[shesinsane]

Wow, does Kristina seriously believe pro-choice-women would force her to have an abortion? Or what is she talking about?!

I think it's safe to say that these women (Kristina and Dianne) are not the brightest crayons in the box.

It's possible she does. Lots of forced birthers talk about "abortionists" and the "abortion industry" and there are people that think Planned Parenthood is all about getting women pregnant so they will have abortions. Many people that have never been inside a Planned Parenthood but stood outside and yelled at women consider themselves experts on what's happening inside the building.

Here's a quote from the Faux News comments:

Right, so that's why PP employees accost pregnant women on the street and try to bully them into aborting, because they want to reduce abortions right?

Teh internetz has scary neighborhoods.

[dairyfreelife]

You must not be familiar with "abortifacients". Some forced birthers believe the pill can disrupt/prohibit implantation in the uterus, and since life begins at conception, taking a pill that could prevent a possibly fertilized egg from implanting is the same as running over a 4 year old with your car on purpose. :roll:

Most forced birthers have this impression that all abortions are due to wanton women having sex without any precautions. When you point out things like a married woman aborting because she's taking medication that's damaging to the fetus or because she's already got all the children she can handle, they dismiss this as a small percentage. If you believe 97% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortion, you'll also believe that less than 1% of abortions are done because of medical threats to the mother or fetus - it's all about lazy, selfish women.

Oh, and it's also likely you believe most single mothers are a result of a single woman getting pregnant for the sole purpose of collecting more welfare benefits, but that's a different thread.

Oh, no, I've heard of that nonsense about it causing "abortion." Despite what the forced birthers think, the pill was one of the most effecctive ways to prevent a pregnancy from happening though. I know people who got preggers on the pill and nothing happened to the baby. Actually I have a friend who conceived twins on the pill.

Oh, those people would tell me I shouldn't have sex if I can't have a child right now, blah, blah, blah. I think more than 1% of abortions are done because of the threat to mom or fetus. Birthers probably don't believe that and I don't have the statistics because there is likely not any. I don't think docs and PP care to document why, they do it because mother and even the couple want it done. I only said even if I was married to show that it wuoldn't matter if I got pregnant from a one-night stand, a relationship or from a marriage, I would still consider abortion if I somehow got pregnant. Because this would concern me so much, I would use plenty of protection. I could still get pregnant even if I used the sponge and pill and he used condom and all were used correctly (I take my pill at about the same time every day). Very unlikely I would, but I could. I think people having sex are well-aware that pregnancy could happen.

That Dianne woman is an idiot. Her responses almost sound like she's not even aware of how babies are made. Because women get pregnant all on their own, yuppers. And her statement that people are selfish and should just give up their children for adoption. Did she adopt any children? Tens of thousands in foster care here available for adoption. I don't see a line of people around the world waiting to take those children in. Would she consider adopting a child I had with possibly severe and fatal spinal, brain and/or heart defects? What about those born with special needs like CP, Trisomies, Chromosome deletions, HIV+, Spina Bifida, born with drug addictions or FAE/FAS children? Why do I doubt she would even consider it?

[Effie]

It's possible she does. Lots of forced birthers talk about "abortionists" and the "abortion industry" and there are people that think Planned Parenthood is all about getting women pregnant so they will have abortions. .

Wow, the stupidity... it burns!

Dianne Maloy Wright: I personally don't care enough to bother replying on however many other forums these psycho bitches are members of so ya'll have fun now. Instead, I've copied and pasted what they've said to pro life forums to give them a taste of their own medicine.

Anyone knows which pro-life-forums she refers to?

[Austin]

Aaannnd the slut shaming continues:

My response?

:twisted:

Brilliant idea! I was just paying bills anyway, so might as well. In the names of:

Dianne Maloy Wright

Krs'tina M. Soller

Perfect.

[Minerva]

Dianne Maloy Wright: I personally don't care enough to bother replying on however many other forums these psycho bitches are members of so ya'll have fun now. Instead, I've copied and pasted what they've said to pro life forums to give them a taste of their own medicine.

Actually, Dianne, if you feel the need to "give them a taste of their own medicine," it sounds like you do care.

Maybe she's butthurt because she knows she and her buddies have prompted at least two of us to donate to PP, and there's nothing her friends on the anti-choice forums can do to stop the fact that she just facilitated some evil abortions.

Get this Diana, less than a quarter of PP's funding is non-governmental, and since they can only use that portion to cover abortions, guess what your donation just disproportionately contributed to!

[2xx1xy1JD]

Um, on what planet can a government decide not to ban all abortions, but just those wanted by "selfish bitches"?

FTR, I would be thrilled to have my words repeated, ESPECIALLY on a pro-life forum. You never know what someone's eyes could be opened.

[Austin]

Spread the word, Dianne! :lol:

[SpeakNow]

Just want to say, if a woman's choice starts before she spreads her legs, then a guy's starts at the same time. Do these people forget it takes 2 to tango. it's easy to "blame" the woman because she's the one pregnant, but she needed to somehow get sperm in order to be pregnant. WOnder who helped her with that?

[Cannelle]

Wow, does Kristina seriously believe pro-choice-women would force her to have an abortion? Or what is she talking about?!

I think it's safe to say that these women (Kristina and Dianne) are not the brightest crayons in the box.

Maybe because the "pro-life" people would force a woman to give birth, they think the other side is all for forcing women to have abortions? I don't know. Their thinking (or lack thereof, really) baffles me.

[wtfrenchtoast]

Wow, does Kristina seriously believe pro-choice-women would force her to have an abortion? Or what is she talking about?!

I think it's safe to say that these women (Kristina and Dianne) are not the brightest crayons in the box.

I'm pretty sure she means "they" as in right-wing nutjobs. They want to take away our rights because we "have no idea what the hell we're doing". And she seems perfectly fine with this. So that's cool.

[fakepigtails73]

What does this Dianne woman means by "culling"??

[shesinsane]

Just want to say, if a woman's choice starts before she spreads her legs, then a guy's starts at the same time. Do these people forget it takes 2 to tango. it's easy to "blame" the woman because she's the one pregnant, but she needed to somehow get sperm in order to be pregnant. WOnder who helped her with that?

That's what I say when discussing abortion and someone says "What about the man's rights?" When he decides to unleash his sperm in a woman, he's giving her complete authority over whatever pregnancy might result. It's her body, not his.

If a guy doesn't want to have his child aborted, adopted, or raise it himself, then he shouldn't put himself in a situation where any of those could result. Pun sort of intended. :)

[starfish]

I, too, wonder what pro-life forums she's referring to. I want to say "ooooohhhh, I' m so scared" in a taunting way, but some of those so-called "prolifers" are downright insane. They routinely stalk and murder clinic workers. In the name of "life".

That Diane lady is mouthy, but not particuarly bright.

[roddma]

I haven't read all these comments yet but Ann Landers told a reader a few years ago that BC was the woman's responsibility and caused a backlash. it isn't a one way street. Maybe fewer abortions would be necessary if it weren't' one way street. There are cases when where the fathers even married ones leave a pregnant woman half way and she isn't sure what to do. But i guess if a man leaves her with no support it is the woman's fault in Fundie world.