No more vasectomies

[chiccy]

"I don't get why the parody used Democrats."

"I guess that would explain it somewhat."

So apparently you didn't?

Seriously? I didn't get why it used Democrats before. Now I do, thanks to your explanation. I still think it's ironic that it's Democrats in the fake bill because Republicans are the ones who usually talk about the ever-regressing beginning of life. That was what I meant by "somewhat." Hope that's clearer now. What's less clear is why on earth we are having this exchange after I made an utterly innocuous comment that was essentially thanking you for explaining.

[Mama Mia]

It isn't a "fake" bill. It is a "real" bill being proposed by Democrats . The reason it is being proposed by Democrats is because they are doing it to demonstrate how ridiculous the Republican bills are by taking it a step further and involving male reproduction.

The Democrats that are proposing it do not hope it will actually pass, they are trying to make a point. ( Although with how insane the world seems to be getting it seems risky for them to assume that it is so ridiculous that the far-right won't take it and run with it ).

Is that clearer ?

[chiccy]

It isn't a "fake" bill. It is a "real" bill being proposed by Democrats . The reason it is being proposed by Democrats is because they are doing it to demonstrate how ridiculous the Republican bills are by taking it a step further and involving male reproduction.

The Democrats that are proposing it do not hope it will actually pass, they are trying to make a point. ( Although with how insane the world seems to be getting it seems risky for them to assume that it is so ridiculous that the far-right won't take it and run with it ).

Is that clearer ?

FFS, I got it. I know it's technically a real bill but for all intents and purposes it's a fake bill.

[shesinsane]

It's a real bill intended to make a point about legislating women's bodies, put into a perspective that some (male) lawmakers will understand.

However, there are people (like the Quiverfull) that are anti-vasectomy and would agree with it.

I imagine when that bill proposing prostate exams for any man seeking ED pills came about, some surgical glove salesmen were hoping the story was for real.

[Mama Mia]

Okaayyyyyy.... but you are asking why it wasn't Republican's who proposed it, which would make it seem that you do not understand what is going on. The Republicans wouldn't have proposed the bill because they wouldn't have supported the concept of using satire to make fun of the bills they ( the Republicans ) are actually promoting. Someone in the legislature can't just propose it on behalf of a Republican without their consent, obviously.

I don't understand why you are getting so bent out of shape .. just trying to explain something to you that you really don't seem to get.

[Conuly]

Pregnancy doesn't occur until the fertilized egg attaches to the uterine wall.

4 weeks after conception? I think the debate is out on whether or not it counts as a person even then.

[chiccy]

Okaayyyyyy.... but you are asking why it wasn't Republican's who proposed it, which would make it seem that you do not understand what is going on. The Republicans wouldn't have proposed the bill because they wouldn't have supported the concept of using satire to make fun of the bills they ( the Republicans ) are actually promoting. Someone in the legislature can't just propose it on behalf of a Republican without their consent, obviously.

I don't understand why you are getting so bent out of shape .. just trying to explain something to you that you really don't seem to get.

This is getting ridiculous and slightly funny. I got it the first time I said I got it. Why are you getting so bent out of shape? The conversation was over.

By the way, one generally doesn't use an apostrophe in plural forms.

[Mama Mia]

People who resort to grammar cop whenever they can't make a point are silly.

[chiccy]

People who resort to grammar cop whenever they can't make a point are silly.

Your writing and grammar are atrocious, and I'll point that out if I like. In your past posts it's even worse. What point do you think I'm having trouble making? I seriously don't care if you're not convinced that I understand the bill. If you want to have an intelligence competition, I'll take you up on that any day :D

[Mama Mia]

Your problem is that you clearly are incapable of stating what you mean, in a way that others can understand. I am not the only person who doesn't think you understand the point of the bill. All of your explanations have only made it worse. If someone tries to explain it to you, in a nice way, you get incredibly hostile and start swearing at them.

And I'll take you up on that "intelligence competition" any day sweetie.

[chiccy]

Your problem is that you clearly are incapable of stating what you mean, in a way that others can understand. I am not the only person who doesn't think you understand the point of the bill. All of your explanations have only made it worse. If someone tries to explain it to you, in a nice way, you get incredibly hostile and start swearing at them.

And I'll take you up on that "intelligence competition" any day sweetie.

I have no idea why you took it upon yourself to jump into Kelya and my conversation, which, at any rate, was long over when you decided to insert yourself. Your previous posts are embarrassing. Did no one ever teach you to use parentheses or ellipses properly?

Your thoughts, also, are far from cogent. Let me quote:

I wonder if people whose sexuality 'changes' tend to be people who are bi-sexual but only attracted to one person at a time ?

So if they have a string of relationships with women, and then with men .. they see their sexuality as changing, but it is really just the gender of the person has changed ? For example, I'm very straight, and only attracted to men... but I really only think sexually about my husband. I can look at, say, Justin Timberlake, and think .. wow, he is pretty damn hot ( which is weird because he is not even my type, but I digress) .. but I'm not feeling particular sexual attraction. Or I could look at Katy Perry and think the same thing. Hot, attractive individuals - but when I think actual sex thoughts or fantasize .. it's just about my husband. I don't think there is anything wrong with porn (except some of the unrealistic expectations it promotes ), or fantasizing about other people .. just, for me, it isn't appealing.

Maybe some other people are this way .. where the sexual orientation/attraction is fixated on a particular person - and in their case the gender of the person isn't that relevant, or changes ?

I would love to exchange academic stats with you through PM. Or, if you think you can think of a better idea for an intelligence competition, shoot.

Please point out where I "[started] swearing" at someone other than saying "FFS" to you.

[alaeangelorum]

4 weeks after conception? I think the debate is out on whether or not it counts as a person even then.

Eh? Implantation occurs 6-12 days after ovulation, so probably even less time than that after conception.

[dairyfreelife]

A fertilized egg is not a child. You must be drinking the kool aid the personhood folks are pouring. Pregnancy doesn't occur until the fertilized egg attaches to the uterine wall. By the standards you just stated a petri dish with a fertilized ovum on it would be pregnant. :roll: (Besides I don't even think petri dishes are used for this part of the process.)

Wow, take a chill pill. I'm sure that was sarcasm on her part that sperm actually has to meet the egg before the crazies can even claim the whole life begins at conception thing.

I like the bill, but think viagra and cialis or any ed pills, some of which can help other conditions like the bc pill should be decided by women on whether men get such "help". Men decide for me whether to pay for my bc pill or whether I can have them then women get to decide whether to pay for ed pills or whether they can have them at all. It's only fair.

[Conuly]

Eh? Implantation occurs 6-12 days after ovulation, so probably even less time than that after conception.

Thank you. My health class in high school sucked (one full term of the teacher talking about how AA saved his life and referring dramatically to "Ground HERO" every time I walked in 30 seconds after the pledge, as per our agreement) so I just googled for "when implant uterus" and that's what the first link said. I thought it seemed slightly late, but I don't have the information to argue with google!

[alaeangelorum]

Thank you. My health class in high school sucked (one full term of the teacher talking about how AA saved his life and referring dramatically to "Ground HERO" every time I walked in 30 seconds after the pledge, as per our agreement) so I just googled for "when implant uterus" and that's what the first link said. I thought it seemed slightly late, but I don't have the information to argue with google!

It is probably because of the discrepancy in the way pregnancies are dated vs time since fertilisation... the number of weeks pregnant is worked out from the last period, not the actual conception (cos you can never be sure about that), so google could feasibly have told you that the embryo implants at 4 weeks... we have continued this system of adding on two extra weeks even with the advent of ultrasound dating. Reduces confusion among the medical profession but no doubt increases it among everyone else!!

[Swamptribe]

Interesting article on 'sarcastic' bills designed to bring attention to issues.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/24/th ... hpt=hp_bn1