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They also have the option of writing a tell-all book.

I would kill to read a Duggar tell-all book. The problem is that I doubt that they know these type of things exist. I wouldn't doubt that these kids believe that working or going to school outside the home is doing the devil's work and will lead them straight to hell. A part of me thinks that they don't know they have options because the only option they have ever been given is as to whether to eat pickles are not. These kids, and to me the adult Duggars children are still kids, do not have the frame of reference we do to make decisions for their own futures. It's easy for us to say what they should or could do, the problem is that they have no concept of what we are talking about.

I agree with everyone else that Jana has seemed sad these last couple of seasons. I am not sure that it is because she wants to court. I don't know why any of them would want to court. You go from taking care of your parents and siblings to taking care of your husband and many, many children. At least at home Jana has her sisters to lean on. Maybe Jana is just be that tired of the sameness everyday. Nothing ever changes in that house. Maybe she can't really put her finger on why she is sad, she just knows she is. It has to be horrible to want to spread your wings and not know how, why or even if you should.

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I really would like to know how the over 18 kids are paid by TLC.

Does Jana have access to any of the money? Maybe that was another reason she didn't want to be filmed because her daddy was getting the money and keeping it?

I remember someone arguing on another board that Josh is an adult and isn't being controlled. It was brought up that the hosue and carlot were not really his. Someone asked about the TLC money. I can't imagine ( with the spending we have seen lately) Josh isn't getting the money himself. Lets say he gets 10k from TLC, if he really wanted to leave he could. With 10k they could rent a little house & Josh could get a job selling cars. I don't think Josh is trapped. It is the over 18 girls I would like to know who controls the money, even like babysitting money. If Jana or an older daughter wanted to go stay with Amy would it be allowed?

My guess is the next married is Jessa or Jinger. They need Jana & Jill's skills. Jana is also the one with the trust(the computer password) & Jill is really the second mom. I think Joseph might marry before JD.

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At least at home Jana has her sisters to lean on.

Does she? I've wondered about this. If she were to confide in one of her sisters that she's unhappy would that sister be compelled to tell Boob or J'chelle? Do they keep confidences like other sisters/friends often do?

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Does she? I've wondered about this. If she were to confide in one of her sisters that she's unhappy would that sister be compelled to tell Boob or J'chelle? Do they keep confidences like other sisters/friends often do?

I kind of get the impression that Jill is a huge tattler and would easily tell JB or Michelle if Jana admitted to being unhappy. Not out of any malicious intent, but I think Jill has bought into the whole shebang enough that she would tell her parents out of genuine concern for her sister's spiritual well-being, or something like that.

Likewise, I don't know that Jana (or any of the other girls, for that matter) would admit to being unhappy anyway, or even recognize that they are unhappy with how their life is proceeding thus far, that the sadness isn't just a test of faith, or something. The Duggars aren't like the older Maxwell children, who knew at least *some* semblance of a normal life prior to resorting to fundamentalism. They have been taught their whole lives that the path they are on is supposed to be the fulfilling one and if they don't feel fulfilled - well, there must be something wrong with them, individually, and the only way to fix it is by more time in the prayer closet. After a while, I think they'd just start keeping their mouths shut.

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Could someone please fill me in? How did Josh 'sin in the camp?' I really hope this is good.

No one knows for sure but there were rumors that he broke off his engagement with the Holt girl, and also rumors that it was just porn or something like that.

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Could someone please fill me in? How did Josh 'sin in the camp?' I really hope this is good.

Sorry if I get any of this wrong, my memory is a bit hazy.

Years ago, Jim Boob was running for office (state senate, I think) and lost. He attributed the loss to "sin in the camp" (basically, the loss was a punishment for a sin that someone close to him committed) Around the same time Josh, who was about 15 and courting a Holt girl, started appearing with his head shaved and the courtship was called off. Speculation was that the shaved head was a punishment for something he'd done which had also led to a rift between the two families. There have been stories ranging from him looking at porn to being caught inappropriately touching the Holt girl (or sometimes one of her sisters, or sometimes one of HIS sisters) while she was asleep.

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Me too. The saddest one for me recently was Kendalyn and Robert though. I couldn't read her story of how she gave up her dreams of a medical career, that she'd been planning since high school, because her dad convinced her, without feeling angry.

Agreed. :angry-banghead:

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I agree with everyone else that Jana has seemed sad these last couple of seasons. I am not sure that it is because she wants to court.

I agree with this. My speculation pretty much turns the "Jana wants to court" theory on its head.

Suppose a while back, a nice, fundie boy approached JB, asking to court Jana. JB and M jumped at the chance, "What a ratings winner!" But suppose Jana said no, she didn't feel this was who God meant for her?

JB asks her to pray on it. Jana does, but still feels this guy is wrong for her. JB decides to send her to Journey To The Heart, where she confesses on a podcast, to being prideful. Oh sure, he sends her sisters along too - to chaperone her, and to keep them in line too.

But it's gone on too long now, and fundie boy switches his attention elsewhere. Maybe even to a girl from a certain bluegrass-playing family, who knows? Jana is left being guilted by her parents that her pride has caused this, and, as she is now 'too worldly', she should have much less contact with the worldly film crew, and thus, less screen time, in order to focus on prayer and her relationship with God.

Just a thought... ;)

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I have also wondered about if the over 18 Duggars are being paid directly from TLC. I could see Boob finding a way to pocket all the money. I also wouldn't be surprised if Jana, Jill, Jessa, or Jinger don't have bank accounts.

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The older "kids" are probably "purposed" to sign over their financial rights to Jim Bob the second they turn 18. My guess is that the TLC money is paid into a famly trust controlled by Jim Bob and Michelle.

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She will remain unmarried and transition from child care to elder care.

Yup, oldest daughter in a lot of family structures is "given up" for the family. Oldest son goes to the priesthood, oldest daughter stays in the family. Since the Duggars follow what ever traditions seem to make em feel good (no pork? whatevs) I wouldn't be surprised if they'd adopted a variant of this.

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Re: The Sin in the Camp

A while ago someone here linked to a post from a former-ATI family that had been working with the Duggars/Holts on some campaign. Long story short, since I can't remember the deets, the girls' blouses were "too tight" (aka fit normally) and this was causing young men (aka Joshua Duggar) to be defrauded and touch the girls inappropriately when they were sleeping. Whoever was running for office lost, and Papa Holt chalked the loss up to a "sin in the camp", which was most likely Joshua's illicit touching. IIRC, the Holt courtship was called off for a time after this incident, reinstated, and then called off for good.

The family with the girls' whose blouses were too tight distanced themselves from the movement after the handling of this incident, I do believe.

Anyways, for those who are curious, I would search the forum for Sin in the Camp and pull up some older and more detailed threads.

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Likewise, I don't know that Jana (or any of the other girls, for that matter) would admit to being unhappy anyway, or even recognize that they are unhappy with how their life is proceeding thus far, that the sadness isn't just a test of faith, or something. The Duggars aren't like the older Maxwell children, who knew at least *some* semblance of a normal life prior to resorting to fundamentalism. They have been taught their whole lives that the path they are on is supposed to be the fulfilling one and if they don't feel fulfilled - well, there must be something wrong with them, individually, and the only way to fix it is by more time in the prayer closet. After a while, I think they'd just start keeping their mouths shut.

One of the saddest things for me about the fundies is that it's not enough to just put up with this shit; they have to do it with a joyful heart.

I can barely manage to be joyful with real life; I would be drinking bleach, if I had to lead the life these young women lead. Would that get me sympathy? Nope, 'cause it's an abomination to the Lord to feel anything less than abundant joy at being a walking uterus.

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I have also wondered about if the over 18 Duggars are being paid directly from TLC. I could see Boob finding a way to pocket all the money. I also wouldn't be surprised if Jana, Jill, Jessa, or Jinger don't have bank accounts.

I would be shocked, if they did. I wouldn't be surprised if the young men get their money, though.

Of course, it would never be presented as the adult sisters not getting their money. They'd be "happy" to turn their money over to their father's wisdom, and he's "just holding it" for them (or more likely for their husbands).

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I don't think it matters if TLC is paying the 18+ kids separately or not, they're all so brainwashed I could see them willingly giving the money to boob.

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I would be shocked, if they did. I wouldn't be surprised if the young men get their money, though.

Of course, it would never be presented as the adult sisters not getting their money. They'd be "happy" to turn their money over to their father's wisdom, and he's "just holding it" for them (or more likely for their husbands).

I remember reading somewhere that families on reality shows tend to get one check. I don't see TLC cutting checks for every family member. At most Josh's family will get one check for their family and there is one check for the rest of the family, i.e. Jim Bob's check.

Someone on either this thread or another speculated that Josh may get a check for about 10k each episode. I don't think that Josh would get anywhere near that amount. At most he would get a couple of thousand. I think the Jersey Shore gets received about 10k per episode after the second season but there show has way more viewers, is on MTV and is much easier to market than the Duggars. Plus, Josh is not as important a player on the show as Snookie is on her show.

I bet the only thing the adult children sign, other than Josh, is a release to allow TLC to show their image. Remember, you don't have to be paid to be on a reality show. You don't get scale like being on a sitcom. That was the problem on the Gosselin show when the relatives wanted to get checks for appearing and Kate didn't go for that show. They never received pay and subsequently were kicked off the show by Kate. I don't see Jim Bob wanting everyone to have their own money. Money is like education, it gives one the power to make their own decisions contrary to those of daddy and mommy. Those girls are probably still getting paid three cents a jurisdiction chore.

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The only benefit I can see in the girls not getting married so young is that it is cutting down on their fertile years in a marriage. They likely won't be popping out 20+ kids if they don't start until almost 30.

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I've read the same thing as socialrules, in a couple of different places. One check per family for a reality show, and I'm sure Jim Bob controls the whole paycheck, probably not even letting his mother get a share of it. Josh and Anna Duggar are listed separately in credits, leading me to believe that they do indeed get a separate paycheck (after all, they are a separate family)....and I think possibly Amy Duggar receives some kind of stipend on the episodes she appears on...not sure about whether her mom gets anything at all. Usually if the credits say "thanks to ..." it appears that person/s getting paid for participating. Also, in Arkansas, there is probably no law in place that states that minors have to have a share of their earnings placed into an account that they can access by the time they are 18. I doubt that any of the Duggars kids, even though over 18, have a bank account to themselves at all. They probably are only allowed to have one after they get married.

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Jana has a bit more of a "down" personality (I don't mean that negatively at all; she's just not naturally upbeat like Jill or feisty like Jessa can be) and my guess is that her parents have had "concerns" about her lack of "sweetness".

Of they could see get subdued demeanor as meaning she's not going to rebel. It could be taken as she's been flattened enough to just accept whatever they give her and tell her.

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If JB is getting all of the money from TLC, I wonder if the adult children could sue for their fair share or if there's an ironclad agreement between JB & TLC? Of course, I kind of doubt the kids will do that.

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Re: The Sin in the Camp

A while ago someone here linked to a post from a former-ATI family that had been working with the Duggars/Holts on some campaign. Long story short, since I can't remember the deets, the girls' blouses were "too tight" (aka fit normally) and this was causing young men (aka Joshua Duggar) to be defrauded and touch the girls inappropriately when they were sleeping. Whoever was running for office lost, and Papa Holt chalked the loss up to a "sin in the camp", which was most likely Joshua's illicit touching. IIRC, the Holt courtship was called off for a time after this incident, reinstated, and then called off for good.

The family with the girls' whose blouses were too tight distanced themselves from the movement after the handling of this incident, I do believe.

Anyways, for those who are curious, I would search the forum for Sin in the Camp and pull up some older and more detailed threads.

How was Josh even allowed to be alone in a room with sleeping girls?

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Re: The Sin in the Camp

A while ago someone here linked to a post from a former-ATI family that had been working with the Duggars/Holts on some campaign. Long story short, since I can't remember the deets, the girls' blouses were "too tight" (aka fit normally) and this was causing young men (aka Joshua Duggar) to be defrauded and touch the girls inappropriately when they were sleeping. Whoever was running for office lost, and Papa Holt chalked the loss up to a "sin in the camp", which was most likely Joshua's illicit touching. IIRC, the Holt courtship was called off for a time after this incident, reinstated, and then called off for good.

The family with the girls' whose blouses were too tight distanced themselves from the movement after the handling of this incident, I do believe.

Anyways, for those who are curious, I would search the forum for Sin in the Camp and pull up some older and more detailed threads.

There is a long post (by me) from early on in this iteration of this board, as finding the primary sources from 2006 is getting more and more difficult. I have asked the mods probably easily five times to make the post a sticky, as people ask about this literally every two months and inevitably someone tells them a telephone-altered version. So I guess this is request number six.

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