1st Term Obama Approval

[notsocommon]

It comes down to this, if you're going to be a selfish dickwad, go for it. But don't try to cloak your selfishness and judgmental douche-behavior in religion, especially when the founder of your religion would have told you where to shove your callous attitudes toward the less fortunate.

we really need a like button.

I wonder if people like our 'friend' here realize that this argument will not fly with God? In Matthew, it states that whatever you do to the least, you do to Jesus. Deny the poor healthcare? You deny Jesus healthcare. Deny them food and shelter? YOu deny Jesus of food and shelter. There is really no wiggle room there.

The argument of 'being forced' is pure bullshit. It isn't like they would volunteer to actually help the poor, sick, and otherwise 'least.' They just want to be selfish while trying to look 'holy.' Again, I do not think God would buy that argument. Nor would "healthcare isn't a right" Jesus spent most of his ministry healing whole cities of people as well as specific individuals. He seemed to think it was a right!

[Witsec1]

A lot has been discussed since I was last here and I don't have time to respond to it all, but this post made me the most upset. Let me give you a stat. 80% of Americas millionaires are 1st generation rich. Let me translate that for you...they started from nothing. They didn't inherit their wealth; they earned it. To say that a wealthy person has not earned their money is total bull. They were at the bottom once and now they are giving others a chance to work and rise up the ladder. NYU sociologist Dalton Conley says that "higher-income folks work more hours than lower-wage earners do." You say the wealthy are hoarding, but most would call it investing, and look where that has gotten the wealthy in the last few years. Because so much of their income is tied up in investments, the recession has hit the rich especially hard. Much attention has been paid recently to a Congressional Budget Office study that showed incomes for the top 1 percent rose far faster from 1980 until 2007 than for the rest of us. But the nonpartisan Tax Foundation has found that since 2007, there has been a 39 percent decline in the number of American millionaires. Among the "super-rich," the decline has been even sharper: The number of Americans earning more than $10 million a year has fallen by 55 percent. In fact, while in 2008 the top 1 percent earned 20 percent of all income here, that figure has declined to just 16 percent. And before you start cheering that the playing field is becoming more level, lets realize that money wasn't transferred to the poor. It's money that disappeared into recession thin air. And as far as taxes go, maybe Warren Buffett is paying a lower tax rate than his secretary, as he claims. But the comparison is misleading because Buffett's income comes mostly from capital gains, which were already taxed at their origin through the corporate-income tax. Beyond taxes, the rich also pay in terms of private charity. Households with more than $1 million in income donated more than $150 billion to charity last year, roughly half of all US charitable donations. Greedy? It hardly seems so. And let us not forget the fact that the rich provide the investment capital that funds ventures, creates jobs and spurs innovation. The money that the rich save and invest is the money that companies use to start or expand businesses, buy machinery and other physical capital and hire workers. So lets stop saying they are hoarding their money. If you think you have a "right to demand some of it back", then go get motivated. Steven Covey says the #1 habit of highly effective people is that they are proactive. They happen to things, things don't happen to them. If you are successful, you will decide at some point that you are in charge of your destiny. If you do not decide this, then you will sit around and continue to complain about how the rich are snobs, and hope that the government continues to give you freebies.

Or maybe they got rich by passing off other people's work as their own: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/op ... v8xlexdfVO

ETA: Unless you actually are Michael Tanner of the Cato Institute, in which case you are still a fuckwit, but not a plagiarist.

[Witsec1]

we really need a like button.

I wonder if people like our 'friend' here realize that this argument will not fly with God? In Matthew, it states that whatever you do to the least, you do to Jesus. Deny the poor healthcare? You deny Jesus healthcare. Deny them food and shelter? YOu deny Jesus of food and shelter. There is really no wiggle room there.

The argument of 'being forced' is pure bullshit. It isn't like they would volunteer to actually help the poor, sick, and otherwise 'least.' They just want to be selfish while trying to look 'holy.' Again, I do not think God would buy that argument. Nor would "healthcare isn't a right" Jesus spent most of his ministry healing whole cities of people as well as specific individuals. He seemed to think it was a right!

What about the couple that God struck dead because they didn't turn over all their property to the collective? If this really were a christian nation, there would be no debt crisis because all debts would be forgiven every 7 years.

What it boils down to is that helping the poor just doesn't give the kind of mental hard-on these folks get when they think about stoning teh gays.

[Visionoyahweh]

Or maybe they got rich by passing off other people's work as their own

[notsocommon]

Jericho, if you (or your child) got dome deadly illness like cancer while uninsured would you acept your lot in life and just die quietly (or allow your child to do so)? Somehow, I do not think so. It is always different when it is you.

[formergothardite]

I'm not sure why Jericho comes here. He doesn't answer most questions, gets "busy" when the tough questions come out, and then pops back up in another thread to tell us we are all wrong. I know he has claimed he is not a fundie, but I can't help but think that he is the fundie husband of some blogger we have snarked and he is trying his best to prove all the "brainwashed" women wrong.

[jericho]

What the hell is with this Jericho guy? Why does he continue to post here? What is the point?

That's what I ask myself many times. It's so hard to read the things that most people believe here. It makes me sad for the future of this country. But reading this forum does help me understand why Obama is doing what he is doing in office. He honestly believes in the socialistic, anti-prosperous views that most on this forum believe in. I can't understand why anyone would want to tear down the successful in this country.

And BTW, for the last time, I'm not against helping the poor (as so many like to say here). I against government control helping the poor. A few safeguards for the poor I would be happy with, but the government is way too involved the way it is now.

[jericho]

I'm not sure why Jericho comes here. He doesn't answer most questions, gets "busy" when the tough questions come out, and then pops back up in another thread to tell us we are all wrong. I know he has claimed he is not a fundie, but I can't help but think that he is the fundie husband of some blogger we have snarked and he is trying his best to prove all the "brainwashed" women wrong.

Nobody in my family blogs and we are not fundy. Just a typical evangelical Christian family.

[Witsec7]

I'm not sure why Jericho comes here. He doesn't answer most questions, gets "busy" when the tough questions come out, and then pops back up in another thread to tell us we are all wrong. I know he has claimed he is not a fundie, but I can't help but think that he is the fundie husband of some blogger we have snarked and he is trying his best to prove all the "brainwashed" women wrong.

I'm thinking the same thing or he's the father of one of the young xtian men whose blogs we've snarked on. Since his unsuccessful attempt at plagiarism, I don't have a lot of confidence in his ability to tell the truth about himself, his faith or his family.

[Witsec1]

Jericho, why did you copy and paste from another source and pretend those were your original ideas/words?

[Boogalou]

Ah, the old "Obama is a socialist". He'll probably try to pass an "iPhones for everyone" bill!

[Clementine]

I don't get the (typical) pro-lifers. They are very much pro-life when we are talking about a fetus, who has no chance whatsoever of surviving outside the womb.

But once the precious baby is born, it doesn't matter what happens to the baby (or the mother) because it's socialism to pay for other peoples health care so then it's ok if the baby dies?

How pro-life is that?

So unborn fetus = holy. Living person = doesn't matter. Criminals = ok for the government to kill!

Pro-lifers, please explain!

[Witsec1]

He honestly believes in the socialistic, anti-prosperous views that most on this forum believe in. I can't understand why anyone would want to tear down the successful in this country.

Yes, taxing the wealthy at the same rate they were taxed under Eisenhower would totally destroy the country :roll:

[formergothardite]

That's what I ask myself many times. It's so hard to read the things that most people believe here. It makes me sad for the future of this country. But reading this forum does help me understand why Obama is doing what he is doing in office. He honestly believes in the socialistic, anti-prosperous views that most on this forum believe in. I can't understand why anyone would want to tear down the successful in this country.

And BTW, for the last time, I'm not against helping the poor (as so many like to say here). I against government control helping the poor. A few safeguards for the poor I would be happy with, but the government is way too involved the way it is now.

Dude, you had such a crappy grasp of history that you thought the early 1900's would prove your point that the government isn't needed to care for the poor, private charities can do it.

Anyway, the government, which is made up of people is telling you to give money to the poor. According to Jesus (I quoted the verse for you in a earlier post. ) you need to give it and not complain. You seem to do a great deal of complaining about being forced to give to the poor for someone who claims to follow the teachings of Jesus.

[jericho]

Jericho, why did you copy and paste from another source and pretend those were your original ideas/words?

I was googling for stats and was quickly copying and pasting them. I'm sorry that I didn't take time to reference where the stats came from.

[Witsec1]

I was googling for stats and was quickly copying and pasting them. I'm sorry that I didn't take time to reference where the stats came from.

That's not stats, it's an opinion piece with some stats in it. Do you know the difference between an editorial and a statistical report?

[jericho]

Dude, you had such a crappy grasp of history that you thought the early 1900's would prove your point that the government isn't needed to care for the poor, private charities can do it.

Anyway, the government, which is made up of people is telling you to give money to the poor. According to Jesus (I quoted the verse for you in a earlier post. ) you need to give it and not complain. You seem to do a great deal of complaining about being forced to give to the poor for someone who claims to follow the teachings of Jesus.

Let me give it then. I don't need a middleman (the government) to do the work for me.

[Witsec1]

What you did is dishonest, it's plagiarism, it would get you an automatic "F" in my class.

[formergothardite]

Let me give it then. I don't need a middleman (the government) to do the work for me.

Doesn't matter, Jesus said that even if some one takes something from you without you wanting to give(like you are saying the government is making you do) you give it and don't say another word. You are the one supposedly following Jesus, why are we having to tell you this?

[Guest Anonymous]

Or maybe they got rich by passing off other people's work as their own: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/op ... v8xlexdfVO

ETA: Unless you actually are Michael Tanner of the Cato Institute, in which case you are still a fuckwit, but not a plagiarist.

Flora, you win the internetz. Where would you like them delivered?

We already knew that jericho is a dishonest shitstain, but this really illustrates that fact nicely.

[Austin]

Poor deluded dude. Just another one who has been convinced to vote against his own interests. . . yet we're the brainwashed ones. lol

[formergothardite]

Jesus does not smile on people who steal from others Jericho. And you stole the words of someone else.

[PBrooke]

Perhaps another graduate of the SOTDRT... one who was never taught how to cite sources, and was taught that regurgitating the views of others is the same as thinking for yourself.

[Witsec1]

Let me give it then. I don't need a middleman (the government) to do the work for me.

You didn't address her point about your poor grasp of history. When has voluntary contributions worked to ameliorate poverty and protect the average person from the economic downturns that are inherent in capitalism?

[Witsec1]

Flora, you win the internetz. Where would you like them delivered?

We already knew that jericho is a dishonest shitstain, but this really illustrates that fact nicely.

LOL, I really needed the internetz yesterday when I wiped out three of my clients' websites with one keystroke.